Ok cool... so lets forget about the word "shariah" for now... coz this word kinda makes us jump every time... Lets use "islamic law" instead... Islamic law as detailed in the Quran.... Islamic law that covers all aspects of human life including modesty, debt, marriage, prayer, women's rights, tax/insurance, funerals, justice, inheritance etc etc....
My question is, if we properly followed the Islamic law in Pakistan, in the following 5 areas:
ibaadah (worship),
muamalat (transactions and contracts),
adaab (morals and manners),
i'tiqadat (beliefs),
and 'uqubat (punishments..... with which not everyone agrees in the present times, including myself)
would we or would we not see an improvement in the country's situation IF everyone was to follow the islamic guidelines properly... ?
Ibadah, aitqaad and adaab cannot be forced, though you can encourage them among awam......rahi baat muamlat aur punishment ki tou all the islamic countries including pakistan have these laws in place but because of corruption people don't follow them either.
Shariah is a process that takes place gradually and you just cannot make it happen in one day.
But again, if everyone did follow the islamic guidelines properly in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, would we not be in a much better position today?
Funguy what is your opinion on this? Why is it so shocking for you to hear that most women actually support the islamic law?
Ok cool... so lets forget about the word "shariah" for now... coz this word kinda makes us jump every time... Lets use "islamic law" instead... Islamic law as detailed in the Quran.... Islamic law that covers all aspects of human life including modesty, debt, marriage, prayer, women's rights, tax/insurance, funerals, justice, inheritance etc etc....
My question is, if we properly followed the Islamic law in Pakistan, in the following 5 areas:
ibaadah (worship),
muamalat (transactions and contracts),
adaab (morals and manners),
i'tiqadat (beliefs),
and 'uqubat (punishments..... with which not everyone agrees in the present times, including myself)
would we or would we not see an improvement in the country's situation IF everyone was to follow the islamic guidelines properly... ?
Definitely we will see an improvement if we FOLLOW all of the above points and not try to ENFORCE them.
Every religious bigot in Pakistan tries to enforce his own interpretation of Islam on others and that I think is the cause of current state of affairs in Pakistan.
What Taliban are doing is also shamefully justified as teachings of Islam by some people.
And your statement that you don't agree to the punishment part is a proof that these teachings can not be enforced as not everyone agrees on every point. They can only be preached and set as an example for others to follow.
Scarface: I agree, no one is saying anything about enforcing the Islamic law in Pakistan... Because, first of all, 50% of the awaam is too maadran to follow it anyway (I'm just sayin') and secondly, the Quran itself states that there is no compulsion in religion.
This was just a general response to funguy who probably misinterpreted my support for the Islamic law.
Due to lack of knowledge and often due to our own blunders, non-Muslims think of the Taliban or Saudi ‘Shariah’ laws being imposed as soon as the Quranic System of Life is mentioned. Even the majority of Muslims fail to understand that while the manmade Shariah is a scourge of humanity and Islam, the pristine teachings of the Quran are the most benevolent gift to all mankind.
The recent cases of stoning women to death for adultery in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Nigeria are laws that are not from the Qur’an. God and the Prophet never taught Muslims to stone anyone to death for any crime. The words Shariah Law are not even mentioned in the Qur’an. The law of stoning to death for adultery is taken from the Bible. If a man commits adultery with the wife of his neighbor both the adulterer and the adulteress shall be put to death (Lev 20:10).
The Qur’an also prescribes a punishment for adultery, but it is a scourge of 100 lashes (24:2).
^ I understand. This Shariah law is different to the Islamic law. I don't support anything outside the teachings of the Quran/Hadith. And I still believe the country's situation would definitely improve if we were to follow the guidelines provided to us by Allah swt.
Secularism is the way to go but if we love Islam that much than following Malaysia wouldn't be a bad thing. Having secular and Islamic laws like Malaysia. Malaysia is a much better islamic country to follow than those arab countries.
well, shariah law is not the same as Quran. That's the whole point of discussion here. Did you just wake up? Do you honestly think muslims would oppose the Quran?
not just lash, probably stonned to death for watching na-mehrm videos and even talking in infidel language.
Hallelujah…
if i remember correctly in Somalia even wearing bra & seductive looking vegetables were banned by cave era monkeys, by the way they call them-selfs Muslims and following shariaah too.
Sh-Law 21.1 states: It will fall under the jurisdiction of prudence for anyone acting in good faith or bad or any derivative of the said action, any video or still camera shot of anything vulgar such as a rack or something similar will be punishable by an exact number not surpassing twenty five lashes shall be delivered.
LMAO! Typical ABCD crap. Uneducated on any matter related to religion. Jahil would be the best way to describe you in such matters, yet spouting off like you know what you are talking about.
Dear Funguy and Firzene. Please back up your crap with actual sources. Please quote the exact law and jurisprudence.
You know the saddest part of all of this? You wouldn’t even know how to google it
yawn Seriously that is the best that you can do? Really Firenze, I suggest you and Funguy stop attempting to get involved in matters of religion and politics. One it is well above your intellectual. Two its also above your intellect.
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oh btw, Barb....if Shariah law comes in, your forum of Video gallery will be banned immediately and you will be subject to 25 lashes.
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You basis this fun fact on what exactly? Please quote the exact law and jurisprudence.
There is no concept of "Nation" in islam. If you look at the history you would not find things like that. All you would read is "empires" .. and dynasty .. in short .. Caliphate and under 1 caliphate, every one is referred as Ummah!
The strength of Ummah was obvious to the world thats why the planned to break it apart. it took them 25 years to plan for WWI and the end result was - Small Islamic Countries.
even today, if you lookk at things you will find most of the islamic countries are fighting over "sects" (people who are at small level). if someone is educated .. they are arguing at "nation" .. .. no one is even thinking that there were days when we were an UMMAH! ..
