A big mistake that all make here

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Re: A big mistake that all make here

@PyariCgudia

But do NOT come here and tell people or tell other muslim people they should not be talking about religion when they haven’t had some 9 year course in it and that the ONLY way to understand it is by reading tafsir (which is man-written explanations, and YOU KNOW THAT) when the Quran itself says that anyone can understand it because the meaning is made clear to you.

Perhaps God wants us to take 10 shades of meaning from one verse. I dont see anything wrong in that as long as you’re not going against anything else the Quran says.

If you don’t accept this, then you, sir, are directly contradicting the Quran, because the Quran itself says that the language has been made simple so that people can understand.

@xlnc786

Every verse can have 10 possible meanings which will lead you to confusion and reading it out of context will make it even worse. Hazrat Mohammad (PBUH) said which summarizes that to take education even if u have to reach the distant land china. So without education of Tafseer and fiqah a common man’s torch is the book of tafseer if wants to get the in depth analysis.

Who said that God wants us to take 10 shades of meanings. I said that there can be possible 10 meanings. And as for me i can only understand only one meaning that is the words meanings. i cant figure out contextual meaing. I cant figure out conceptual meaining and i cant figur out the figuritive meaing. You would be able to see them when you read about them and i think that i spoke too soon about 10 possible meainings. Bcuz all we see is this word means this and this word menas this and all in all this means this and then we start preaching it without knowing or consulting it to some authentic tafseer book.

Who said that you cant talk about religion. From All my arguments leads to that keep quiet about the things you dont know in Quran and hadeez and try to get it known by the tafseer already written.

Who says you need a 9 years course to read quran. All i said was they struggled 9 years for idiots like us to make the quran’s meaning more clear to us.

You yourself said that

@PyariCgudia

anyone can understand it because the meaning is made clear to you.

Made clear to you by whom. The one and only Prohpet Mohammad (PBUH). Who gave the exact meaning to verses of quran to the Sahaba(R.A)..Yes most of the times meaining is clear but most the people quote out of context.

Like one hindu qouted a quran Ayat which says kill the kafir whoever finds one. He was clearly quoting out of context and when some Mulims read the ayat they said yes this is the meaning of this. But what does the context says about this. In tafseer it was clearly written that after the breach of peace treaty b/w Mulims and non-Mulims which was Sulah-e-Hadeebia . Then Allah said that whoever finds a kafir in the battle field kill him.

Well most of the times in Quran there are stories written of nations who were demolished because of their defying nature to God.

Like in Yaseen

The summary of the verses is that …(This is a summary from tafseer)
God sent two messenger to one nation but they didnt selected the right path and rejected the messengers. But Allah Gave them another chance by sending another one. The nation did the same to him and said dont preach your God’s messege or we will torture you. You are black shepp among us. Then a man who came running from outside of the city said to the nation that follow this messenger. Follow the messenger who dosent asks for reward for giving you the right path and he himself is on the right path. I will follow him no matter what. I will not follow those idols who cannot take my side when i am in front of my GOD. Then In yaseen it is written that enter the jannah , but he said can you let my nation know that My Allah has forgiven me and is counting me in respected ones.

No where it is written that how he got to jannah what happened to the messenger . But for indepth analysis when you read out tafseer you will know read it and tell me.

i have also quoted my already written “indepth analysis”

But this is only one case. But there are more cases when you cannot figure out some points which are cleared in the tafseer which came directly from Sahaba’s (R.A) rawayaat. And who do you think told sahaba(R.A). I think i made my self clear that what is the different b/w our own meanings and tafseer already written.