*Its clear what the people want, but sadly that damn Zardari with his NRO will continue to grin and make a couple of anti-musharraf statements in a week, and have his chapraasi turned polciya clown Rahman Malik continue the dilly-dallying! *[
Spock bhaijan. Are you saying that the great Pakistani electorate did not know what they were doing when they overwhelmingly voted for Great Zardari led PPP?
I can understand your frustration, and accept that the days of Unprecedented Economic Growth as seen until last year will not be back for many many years. However, 8 to 10 years of Great Zardari led PPP will take Pakistan back to the great days as seen until last year. Wouldn’t you agree? Or are you really saying that the electorate did not know what they were doing?](“The News International: Latest News Breaking, World, Entertainment, Royal News”)
People gave vote to PPP of BB and ZAB not to Zardari. Zardari suddenly came up due to sad demise of BB; otherwise he would have remained in Dubai looking after his looted wealth from poor country.
Zardari, Mush and Altaf are great for you guys but not for other Pakistanis. They are pain in the butt and should be in jail rather than ruling Pakistan.
As regard unprecedented economic growth, are you not tired of lying? Please come up with new lie for Mush to support him.
Great unprecedented economic growth up the rear shaft ! We all know what that lousy regime did in the last 8 years, so no point in trying to glorify it anymore. It was funny how even in the last few days of the caretaker Govt the mushtards were posting articles about trillions of dollars of promised invsetment in a last bid to somehow glorify Musharraf’s dark ages, but we all know whats happened.
People gave vote to PPP of BB and ZAB not to Zardari. Zardari suddenly came up due to sad demise of BB; otherwise he would have remained in Dubai looking after his looted wealth from poor country.
Zardari, Mush and Altaf are great for you guys but not for other Pakistanis. They are pain in the butt and should be in jail rather than ruling Pakistan.
As regard unprecedented economic growth, are you not tired of lying? Please come up with new lie for Mush to support him.
Yes indeed, one of the great unprecedented gifts to the nation that Musharraf gave was eliminating BB and bringing Zardari and his croonies, replacing Wasi Zafar with Rahman Malik.
Let me ask you a question, assuming had he not taken oath under PCO the first time, who would have exposed government performance regarding people who were missing without any trace and other atrocities under the guise of war against terror, corruption committed by Mush government? You would have got only stamp CJ as present one working directly under the nose of this illegal president obeying all his illegal ordinances?
Let me ask you this question, if ALL judges had refused first PCO there'd be no legal backing of Mushy to begin with, don't you agree? By taking oath he legalised the illegal coup and his actions afterwards.
Don’t you agree that NRO issued by illegal president is worse than Iftekhar’s taking oath under PCO? Under NRO criminals like Altaf, Zardari and many others including Mush today are ruling Pakistan? Never heard of such thing in any civil county of the world where criminals are ruling. You have to look at broader picture rather than bias against former CJ.
I don't have "bias" against Ch Iftikhar, I only have bias for justice, principles I don't think that should be too much to ask in any society. I appreciated his stand against Mushy (if you can visit past threads). The problem is that even if Ch Iftikhar comes back he won't be pushing for prosecution of likes of Nawaz Sharif and Zardari, he owes them now.
60-70% is still an overwhelming majority and just as much a cause for concern as 86%.
Yes I know. Its the majority. Probably the same majority who elected the mighty new government, which imo, is only making things bitter.
lol who in the last 8 or so years has been 'actively' bending over to facilitate their so called 'negative involvement'? And yeah, even if 86% is exaggerated, your 60-70% is more than enough for him NOT to shamelessly carry on.
Well I wouldn't say that they "bent over". Certainly not 180° like how Benazir would have done :D
The fact is that if at that time Pakistan did not side with the US, it probably would've been disintegrated by now.
USA plays a proxy game with Pakistan. Conventionally, they cannot fight anymore, ever since its forces settled in Afghanistan, though they would've if Pakistan gave em the finger in 2001. Musharraf got a grip on NATO/US forces in Afghanistan by controlling their supplies (food+ammunitions which came through Pakistan), ever since Bush stepped in to the trap. The US, knowing how capable Musharraf has been as compared to the previous leaders, knew that it was in trouble and had to remove Musharraf. Since then, all we've seen is threats from USA & its proxies, and sadly the Pakistani majority has fallen in to the trap again. So long as US interests are secured in the region, everybody is happy - this is visible in every region where USA has interferred.
and that is based on whose survey? :)
It is not based on a survey, hence my choice of words: may; be.
Musharraf and capable? Sure, hes so capable that hes won the heart of 3% of Pakistan and open multiple warfront in the country and started killing and abducting our own peopel! Btw, as far as the US destroying Pakistan, why hasnt Iran disintegrated by now, and as far as I can tell they’re doing much better than Pakistan, without the US’s support. Our Musharraf hasnt been even sincere in bending over for the US, hes played a double game, just so that they consider him indispensable, and retain him and his kursi.
Re: 86 per cent think Pakistan headed in wrong direction
Wait, if that many people want Musharaf removed why don't the politicians just do that and be done with it? or why doesn't Musharaf just retire and ride into the arabian sunset?
No one says Pakistan shouldn't side with US on war against terror. Do you know what is self esteem and self respect is? Pakistan as a sovereign country should have made key decisions in the national interest. But Mush and his cronies worked against the interest of the country to please his masters, just to continue his illegal tenure, made this country as a slave country. Now in every key decision, the leaders have to look to Uncle Sam for blessings. Thanks to Mush.
Re: 86 per cent think Pakistan headed in wrong direction
Until terrorists and terrorist king pins such as Osama bi laden, dawood Ibrahim are handed over to justice Pakistan will continue to be headed in the wrong direction.
Musharraf’s capability is measured by his government’s economic & political policies. The whole world has seen Pakistan’s crippled economy rise out of the dust, and facts have been presented to you numerous time but you arrogantly deny them baselessly. The economy rose not because of economic aid, but because of reforms. US does not want an able ruler in Pakistan. So long as Pakistan stays weak, US interests are safe.
Iran did not disintegrate because they have significant proven reserves of oil & gas, as well as other strings to bother America (depegging US dollar). I am surprised you did not know this. Also the dictator in Iran has taken full control of the country, and will most likely do what China did - initial development of country & eradication of poverty/illiteracy under dictatorship, then slowly move towards capitalism. You got one thing right, that Iran is doing much better than Pakistan - something Pakistanis need to learn.
US started the democracy crap as soon as they realized the trap they had fallen in to.
Musharraf's capability is measured by his government's economic & political policies. The whole world has seen Pakistan's crippled economy rise out of the dust, and facts have been presented to you numerous time but you arrogantly deny them baselessly. The economy rose not because of economic aid, but because of reforms. US does not want an able ruler in Pakistan. So long as Pakistan stays weak, US interests are safe.
First of all, never in those 8 years was the economy doing good. Secondly, if you think Musharraf the cowardly dictator was indeed a good man for Pakistan, and America always wants what is bad for Pakistan, then how come they were backing Musharraf so ardently, and still are? How come everytime Zardari/Nawaz humiliate the bawa Musharraf, someone from the US starts to come and begs them not to hurt Musharrafs feelings? Musharraf is the biggest spineless pitho we have seen since Zia.
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Iran did not disintegrate because they have significant proven reserves of oil & gas, as well as other strings to bother America (depegging US dollar). I am surprised you did not know this. Also the dictator in Iran has taken full control of the country, and will most likely do what China did - initial development of country & eradication of poverty/illiteracy under dictatorship, then slowly move towards capitalism. You got one thing right, that Iran is doing much better than Pakistan - something Pakistanis need to learn.
US started the democracy crap as soon as they realized the trap they had fallen in to.
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No, its because they believe in themselves, and their leaders have not meddled with other countrys business, especially where it wasnt needed. We have plenty of untapped natural resources too, its just that our jahil leaders are slaves, and too dictatorial to think wisely.
I understand that, it took 8 years of continuous US attempts and hardship to remove Mush (not to forget lies from US govt of supporting Mush) to give birth to pseudo democracy and push Mush in background, I know exactly what you mean, to US!
I don't think that OIL is the only criteria. Iraq is perhaps third in oil producing country. The country is suffering great set backs for more than a decade now and still not in a good shape.
How do you define a ‘good economy’ ? I seriously do not understand your views on economics. There is an open thread which you’ve participated in many times that point out how the economy was doing good. You could not clarify how economy was ‘doing bad’ and still haven’t (on that thread) yet you go around the forum with the same ignorant argument. That is arrogance at its best.
Secondly, America backs almost all political leaders in public. They backed Beghairat Bhutto too. Your arguments are silly!
Iran did not meddle in other country’s business? hahaha.. funny, really funny! So who was it that backs up Hezbollah in Lebanon, and Syria? Was it.. King Abdullah?
Iran has significant PROVEN oil reserves, Pakistan does not. The vast majority of global economies are heavily dependent on oil, not natural gas. Pakistan only has significant proven reserves of natural gas, but Iran has even more of the same. Iran’s energy resources were discovered & tapped much earlier than Pakistan. Pakistan has not even discovered much of anything other than gas & coal. Iran has always been a wealthier nation than Pakistan, and industrialized faster & earlier. This explains why Iran has developed its energy sector so much.
Its the dictatorship in Iran which has kept the country stable & running for so long, without Western interferrence. Its the dictatorship which is doing wonders in Iran now - see their latest economic developments. They are following the footsteps of China. If you keep India as your standard, you will not get anywhere. India chose democracy in that period of time when it was comparable to communist China. Look where communist China is now and compare that to the democracy in India.
! We all know what that lousy regime did in the last 8 years, so no point in trying to glorify it anymore. It was funny how even in the last few days of the caretaker Govt the mushtards were posting articles about trillions of dollars of promised invsetment in a last bid to somehow glorify Musharraf’s dark ages, but we all know whats happened.
to US!