85% Blame Bombs On War In Iraq

**AN overwhelming 85 per cent of people blame the Iraq invasion for the London bombings, a Daily Mirror/GMTV poll reveals today.

The survey is a hammer blow to Tony Blair, who insists Britain’s role in the war had nothing to do with the 7/7 terror attacks.**

His words were greeted with incredulity by critics who are convinced Muslim anger on Iraq has fuelled Islamic extremism. And now that view has been borne out by our YouGov poll

In all, 23 per cent said the war was the main reason for the London bombings. Another 62 per cent believe that while Iraq was not the principle cause, it did contribute to the reasons behind the atrocities.

Just 12 per cent said there was no real link. Yet the Prime Minister said after the most recent incidents: “The people who are responsible for terrorist attacks are the terrorists.”

Foreign Secretary Jack Straw and Defence Secretary John Reid have also rejected any connection between Iraq and the terror strikes.

Their denials came despite a leaked report from the Joint Terrorism Analysis Centre which said: “Events in Iraq are continuing to act as motivation and a focus of a range of terrorist-related activity in the UK.”
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The respected think-tank Chatham House also contradicted Mr Blair, stating: “The situation over Iraq has imposed particular difficulties for the UK. It gives a boost to the al-Qaeda network’s propaganda, recruitment and fund-raising.”**

oh well blair lies again nothing new then to claim their is no link with iraq occupation just goes to show this guy thinks he is invincible and can get away with anything he wants to do or say!

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Well those 85% are wrong...

The CIA is correct and so is CNN and FOX...Didn't you see those Iraqi kids waving American flags?

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The Iraq and Afghanistan wars have given birth to a new breed of suicide bombers, there are thousands of them ready to strap bombs around their bodies and blow up any American or British citizens, not only Afghanis or Iraqis, also Pakistanis.

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^ don't know about martyrdom operations but put this way the US and Brits have more enemies than they had before iraq and afghanistan all those thousands of civillians they killed guess what they have relatives who are bent on revenge even if it is unislamic!

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...and thats the exact reason for the "racial profiling" of Afghanis, Iraqis and Pakistanis. That they are so very willing to blow themselves to bits if they can take out a few westerners. sick and sad. so very sad. esp since they accomplish nothing but further fuel for prejudice against their homelands, cultures, etc.

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^^ You talking about Americans or Suicide bombers?

Prejudice I can take...I can't take a Daisy Cutter thrown at my house...

If that happens, then I don't like it...

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Don’t be silly, US is taking the fight to the terrorists so they won’t ever have the abillity to drop daisy cutters on your house or anyone else living off the fruits of western civilization.

And once again, misleading title thread and assumptions. “23 per cent said the war was the main reason for the London bombings”. Sure another 62% said it may have been a contributing factor, but so might Islamic extremism or the lack of integration by South Asian minorities or anything else…

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You make those sort of statements, and then you say elsewhere you were against the Iraq war for the untold consequences it would have. Typical American doubletalk.

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You are only partly correct. The majority of people in Iraq are not after everyday killings in the country even though thousands of their near ones have been earlier killed by their oppressive regime, then by the coalition forces, and now by these terrorists.

For them anyone who can bring them peace, either Americans or the Terrorists, is acceptable. Waving flags is not a big deal!

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I was against the initial invasion of Iraq, NOT Afghanistan. I was behind that one 100%.

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You have a funny of way of showing that, by justifying every criminal act of the US military ever since.

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I was against the initial invasion, but what matters now is what happens in the present and future. I, unlike you and almost every other Muslim poster on this board, do not think cutting and running to leave a vaccuum for extremists to fill is an option. Believe me, I don't want my family and friends over their dying to protect a people that don't appreciate it.

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Why were you against it?

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well the carpet bombing carried out in Afghanistan destroyed everything on land, trees, rocks, watever was present, so if ya had ure house blown up and ure loved ones killed u wudnt be too bothered about racial profiling or prejudice. The same is the case in Iraq as well as Palestine, if u have ure house bulldozed on the land that was urs even before the jews came to Pakestine, ure parents killed, u wudnt be too bothered about anything else, all ud want is to shed jewish blood.
How many kids have become orphans in the Iraq war, how many have lost sons, brothers, daughters, sisters…u think theyre bothered about racial profiling?!
The food packages dropped in Afghanistan were the same colour as the bombs, how many kids died picking up bombs instead of food packages?
50 people dead in London and theyre still crying, 50 people die in Iraq everyday but apparently the blood of us brown skinned people is of less value than that of the white skinned people who died in the London bombings!
just like the brazilian guy was killed on the suspicion that he was supporting the London bombers, so a bunch of muslim guys killed 50 Londoners on the suspicion that they supported and elected the government that has been shedding blood in Iraq. Is that justified?!

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And btw i asked before but didnt get a reply, did anyone see that haseeb hussain guy appearing on ARY, he said he was the guy who the scotland yard said was one of the bombers, hes a british citizen of pakistani origin and he admitted going to karachi on the date that the scotland yard said the london bomber 'haseeb hussain' had visited karachi n then some madrassas.
wats up wit that, is it a genuine case or jsut propoganda?!

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^ British police are full of BS they lie and put out false propoganda on top of that putting 7 bullets into innocent persons head just goes what kind of thug mentality they have!

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As usual Ustaad Margolis calling spade a spade…read on…

Eric Margolis

**July 25, 2005 **

WHO’S TO BLAME FOR LONDON BOMBING

Having witnessed the first London transit bombing on 7 July, last week’s fizzled bombings, exactly two weeks later, brought both nasty déjà vu and deep relief the attacks only disrupted transit and badly frayed nerves.

My relief was soon dispelled, however, by the murderous attacks at Sharm el-Sheik, Egypt. These bombings were not apparently linked to those in London. But they were a grim reminder that the exceptionally violent Egyptian jihadist groups, Gamma al-Islamiya and Egyptian Jihad had come again to life after some years quiescence. Osama bin Laden’s deputy, Dr Ayman al-Zawahiri, was a senior member of Egyptian Jihad.

Last Thursday’s incidents in London intensified the fierce war of words that has raged in Britain for the past two weeks over who was to blame for the original attacks.

**Britain’s PM Tony Blair claims the young British-Pakistani men who staged both bombings were motivated by a rabid, misguided view of Islam, and incited by fanatic imams preaching a cult of hatred against the west. This is true, but it is not the whole story. Firebrand preachers may well have egged on angry young men, but the motivation for the attacks was not Islamic dogma but political fury. **

President George Bush and Australia’s PM John Howard keep insisting terrorism is caused by evil Muslims who hate the west because of its values, religion, freedoms and selfless efforts to bring the light of democracy and civilization to the benighted Islamic World. This is nonsense.

So is claiming terrorism has nothing whatsoever to do with the west’s military actions in the Muslim world, its efforts to control oil, or the corrupt, despotic regimes installed there by the US, Britain and France.

British investigators believe the 7/7 attackers may have had links to radical Islamic groups in Pakistan, which is increasingly portrayed as the fount of Islamic terrorism. Pakistan’s madrassas (religious schools) again came under heavy criticism for churning out young fanatics.

Embarrassed by Britain’s angry charges, Pakistan’s military ruler, President Parvez Musharraf, ordered his security services to round up the usual Islamic suspects.** A ` key al-Qaida terrorist’ was suddenly arrested, Islamabad’s standard response whenever Washington and London turn up the heat** under Pakistan over terrorism.

The embarrassed Pakistanis could not really admit what was going on: they indeed have many popular jihadi groups the west calls `terrorists,’ but most of them were focused on either liberating the Indian-ruled portion of Kashmir, or fighting the communists in Afghanistan.

Two weeks ago from London, I wrote that the underground bombings, however despicable, were inevitable retaliation by angry young Muslims for Britain’s invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq. Unsurprisingly, I received a good deal of flak for this heresy.

**An embarrassing leaked report from MI-5, Britain’s security service, and a study by Chatham House, a leading UK non-partisan research group, stated that Afghanistan and Iraq had indeed very likely motivated the attacks. Polls show a majority of Brits agreed. **

London’s popular mayor, Ken Livingston, spoke for this silent majority, blaming `80 years of western intervention in Arab land because of our need for oil.’

The always controversial Livingston went on to accuse the US and Britain of a double standard over terrorism. If Britons were as oppressed as Palestinians, he added, they, too, would resort to suicide bombers.

Though Livingston is way to the left of many Britons, his words, echoing those of rogue MP, George Galloway, reflected what many Britons think but Americans dare not say: US political policies and wars in the Mideast were responsible for the 9/11 and other terrorist attacks.

By playing George Bush’s Sancho Panza in the so-called war on terrorism - seen by most Muslims as a western crusade against Islam – Tony Blair imported Mideast violence to Britain.

Blair’s claim that the attacks had nothing to do with British military adventures abroad because terrorists had attacked the World Trade Center in New York well before, were, like so much of his rhetoric, glib sophistry. The 9/11 attacks occurred because of US support for Israel and its disguised occupation of Saudi Arabia. These were political causes, like the London bombing, not religious ones.

But blaming Islam allows Bush and Blair to decouple their wars in the Muslim World from counter-attacks by small groups of terrorists practicing private enterprise violence.

Ironically, most British oppose Blair’s foreign crusading. The British-Pakistani terrorists who bombed London’s transit only succeeded in creating support for Blair’s aggressive policies. They also are bringing a reign of fear down on British Muslims and will further enflame the wave of anti-Muslim prejudice sweeping the western world. In fact, these days, being overtly anti-Islamic is the only permissible form of racism.

Anyone who claims you can bomb, invade and occupy other people’s nations and not get return fire is being either incredibly naïve or untruthful.

**Murdering civilians in London, New York or Tel Aviv is a heinous crime. But to many people around the globe, so was the trumped- up invasion of Iraq that violated every norm of international law, Russian genocide in Chechnya, the ongoing US occupation of Afghanistan, and the agony of Palestine. **

Deporting or jailing loudmouth radical Muslim clerics and closing madrassas won’t stop the dangerous jihadist movement. Neither will blaming Islam or Pakistan. Terrorist violence is the effect, not the cause.

The west must crack down on home-grown extremists, but it also needs to re-examine its counter-productive policies in the Muslim World.

Posted by Eric Margolis at 05:04 PM | Comments (6)

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I love Margolis
The man is a bloody genious
His book is an amazing read

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I bet you someone else can blame those who rob and murder on poor socio-economic conditions or a fatherless childhoold instead of the culprits.

Poor, misunderstood criminals :teary1:

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Always easy to blame others than blame oneself. I agree Iraqi war has actually created more terrorists than what Bush has been stating…winning the war on terror. But that doesnt mean that ppl start blowing buses and trains in protest.

No not criminals… more like brainwashed kids with low to no self esteem.
Criminal is the guy that the british authorities apprehended, the african kid smoking weed and mugging ppl who found Islam in Jail.