Terror strikes Israel again.
Power to the Hamas
Really CM? you support the killing of babies and innocent people.
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*Originally posted by underthedome: *
Really CM? you support the killing of babies and innocent people.
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Just like you defend israel on the deaths of Palestinian children. Whats wrong with me using the Bush Doctrine? Its us vs. them, who do you think i support?
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*Originally posted by underthedome: *
Really CM? you support the killing of babies and innocent people.
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As if you knew the stories the beginning and the result of HAMAS, Islamic Jihad and all these groups. Go figure who created them and then come back and discuss on these issues!
I knew UTD would be here with a post soon, just like hes quick to post everytime IDF kills several palestinian toddlers with a tank cannon, or several kids with one missile.
Terrorism is vile, and you must speak against 'terrorism', not just when Israel or US happens to be the target.
Biased attitude will never get serious responses.
I agree Akif. I have said firing missles into a crowed street is wrong, look for the post if you don't believe me.
Terrorism is vile, and you must speak against 'terrorism', not just when Israel or US happens to be the target. I agree
What should Israel do Akif, submit to Hamas and reward there terrorism with land, they want to destroy Israel afterall. Israel has the right to exist, until Palestinians agree with that nothing will change.
Akif, did you feel it was not newsworthy to post the bus bombing story?
UTD...its absolutely newsworthy. Like i said, terrorism is vile, no matter who commits it, and it should be highlited every time, and the perpetrators brought to justice.
But your statement What should Israel do Akif, submit to Hamas and reward there terrorism with land, is flawed. How can you reward someone with something that is already theirs?
Do you believe Israel would be doing Palestine a favor by vacating the occupied lands? No. Do you think Israel did Lebanon a favor by vacating Lebanon? of course not.
Hamas is fighting an independence war, and they are doing it the only way possible. They dont have billions coming in to them, as Israel does. They dont have state of the art choppers or tanks, as Israel does. They have been cornered by Israel into desperation, and that desperation has led them to take desperate acts.
Terrorism is never the answer....and you have to realize and admit that what Israel is doing is terrorism as well. So long as Israel does not come to its senses, it will not find peace. Palestinians have nothing to lose. you have to realize the difference between the two parties here.
Correction 13 dead from the bus bombing.
Akif israel has everything to lose, you cannot ever make peace with someone that has vowed to kill you as Hamas has done.
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*Originally posted by underthedome: *
Correction 13 dead from the bus bombing.
Akif israel has everything to lose, you cannot ever make peace with someone that has vowed to kill you as Hamas has done.
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If you are that well informed then you should know about the right wing party that is right now in government and what their sayings are about Arabs and Muslims. There is not much of tolerance either! The difference one is considered as a democratically ellected party and the other a terrorist group!
I disagree Ali_R
The point or goal of Israeli action is not to kill innocents, while that does happen in some operations that is not the goal. Nor do I agree with all the actions they have taken to stop suicide bombers from killing Israelis.
The point or goal of Hamas or Jihadic whatever is to kill innocent peoples and to destroy the state of Israel.
that is the difference.
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*Originally posted by underthedome: *
I disagree Ali_R
The point or goal of Israeli action is not to kill innocents, while that does happen in some operations that is not the goal. Nor do I agree with all the actions they have taken to stop suicide bombers from killing Israelis.
The point or goal of Hamas or Jihadic whatever is to kill innocent peoples and to destroy the state of Israel.
that is the difference.
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ONe does claim victory and celebrates if innocents are killed the other is in joy but for him/herself. How many have condemned the killings of innocent Palis. in the past?
I guess not many!
Why is it that one is isolating a person from it's ppl and then again blames the same person, who can't even walk out of his office building, for another suicide bombing?
That *** Sharon walks to GOD USA and says we will do it all our way, ignores rules, regulations, ingores UN resolutions, destroyes ppl's home, makes many of them homeless with or without their permission and then YOU THE SAME PPL who live in the STATUS OF freedom of speech, freedom of press freedom of mankind or whatever, consider this as fair and justices? Is this the right way to democracy, peace and equality?!
Is this your interpretation of this all?!
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*Originally posted by Ali_R: *
Why is it that one is isolating a person from it's ppl and then again blames the same person, who can't even walk out of his office building, for another suicide bombing?
That *** Sharon walks to GOD USA and says we will do it all our way, ignores rules, regulations, ingores UN resolutions, destroyes ppl's home, makes many of them homeless with or without their permission and then YOU THE SAME PPL who live in the freedom of speech, freedom of press freedom of mankind or whatever, consider this democracy, peace and equality?!
Is this your interpretation?!
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I don't agree with the blame Arafat strategy at this point, clearly there are other forces behind the suicide attacks, Hamas for instant. Although Arafat did allow these groups such as Hamas to gain in power and allowed them the freedom and in some instances support to attack Israeli innocents.
I am not a fan of Sharon or all the tactic he uses to deterre or stop suicide bombers. But Israel has the right to exist as do Palestinians but to think Israel can sit Idle while they are killed off is not fair. Nor is it fair to expect the Palestinians to sit Idle but suicide bombing is not the answer. Where do you think Sharon would be if there weren't suicide bombers?
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*Originally posted by underthedome: *
I don't agree with the blame Arafat strategy at this point, clearly there are other forces behind the suicide attacks, Hamas for instant. Although Arafat did allow these groups such as Hamas to gain in power and allowed them the freedom and in some instances support to attack Israeli innocents.
I am not a fan of Sharon or all the tactic he uses to deterre or stop suicide bombers. But Israel has the right to exist as do Palestinians but to think Israel can sit Idle while they are killed off is not fair. Nor is it fair to expect the Palestinians to sit Idle but suicide bombing is not the answer. *Where do you think Sharon would be if there weren't suicide bombers? *
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Why do you think Hamas and Jihad was created? How long do you think these suicide bombings will continue for?
Since you have answered these questions already with your last answer (question), you don't need to answer on them then.
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*Originally posted by underthedome: *
I disagree Ali_R
The point or goal of Israeli action is not to kill innocents, while that does happen in some operations that is not the goal.
The point or goal of Hamas or Jihadic whatever is to kill innocent peoples and to destroy the state of Israel.
That is the difference.
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UTD..how did you arrive at that difference?
Sharon ordered an F16 to drop a 2000 lb bomb on an apartment. Are you telling me that Sharon wanted an apartment complex destroyed in order to kill terrorists?
Yes or No?
If Yes, then the recent bus bombing that killed several IDF soldiers aside from civilians should also be regarded as legitimate, right?
If No, then you must admit to the terrorist tendencies of the Israeli govt.
There are no two ways about it.
Israels very basic move of occupying and uprooting civilians from their homes in itself was a war crime and terrrorism. And anything being done in order to defend that move is terrorism as well. You cannot sugarcoat it.
Palestinians have made their mistakes, no doubt, but they all have been in response to what Israel has done. Palestinian suicide bombings did not originate out of the blue.
Palestinians chose to deal with a legitimate struggle in an illegitimate way. Israel chose to deal with an illegitimate cause in an illegitimate way.
:k: Well stated, Akif.
13 dead? pfff....Collateral damage.