68 Iraqis killed in suicide bombing

The militants are certainly taking the fight to the Iraqi people now.


BAGHDAD, Iraq - A suicide car bomb exploded on a busy downtown boulevard in Baqouba on Wednesday, shredding a bus full of passengers and nearby shops and killing at least 68 people — almost all Iraqi civilians — in one of the deadliest single insurgent attacks since the U.S. invasion

Dozens of burned bodies lay strewn across the street and piled on curbsides, and vehicles, fruit stalls and shops were turned into a bloody tangle of twisted metal after the blast, which targeted Iraqis lined up outside a police recruiting station.

“These were all innocent Iraqis, there were no Americans,” one angry man shouted as Iraqis tried to cover the dead with pieces of cardboard.

The attack came three days ahead of a crucial national conference aimed at creating an interim assembly, widely considered a vital step toward democracy, and the blast demonstrated the willingness and ability of insurgents to carry out devastating attacks even after the handover of power to a new Iraqi government in June.

The bloodshed could fuel anger among some Iraqis over civilian casualties from attacks that insurgents say target the United States and the pro-U.S. administration. U.S. forces have been trying to lower their profile and put Iraqi security forces in the front lines of the fight with militants.

Iraqi officials — who said they expected attacks to intensify as the country tries to edge toward democracy — fear Saturday’s national conference will be a major target for attack. During the conference, some 1,000 delegates are to put together an assembly that will work alongside Prime Minister Iyad Allawi’s government.

“The terrorists’ goal is to hamper the police work, terrorize our citizens and show that the government is unable to protect the Iraqi people, and this will not happen,” said Hamid al-Bayati, a deputy foreign minister.

Southeast of Baghdad, Iraqi forces backed by U.S. and Ukrainian troops launched a search for guerrillas in the city of Suwariyah, sparking a gunbattle in which 35 insurgents and seven Iraqi police were killed. Another 10 soldiers from the Iraqi security forces were wounded, and 40 insurgents were captured, Polish Lt. Col. Artur Domanski, a multinational force spokesman, said.

The 10:13 a.m. bombing in Baqouba, an insurgent hotbed 35 miles northeast of Baghdad, shattered the bustling heart of a commercial district filled with shops, government buildings and the police station.

A white commuter bus on which 21 passengers were killed when the attack vehicle exploded near it was left a charred husk. Pieces of glass, twisted metal and abandoned shoes, all covered in blood and human remains, were scattered across the pavement, and a shop’s white security gate was splattered with blood.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5455104/

Yay..freedom fighter are on a roll. Jihad rules. Yay! :bhangra: :nuch:

what an idiot, inhuman person

That sucks! :(

Yay..freedom fighter are on a roll. Jihad rules. Yay!

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I think that this shows why jihad is such a dangerous concept. There is no real authority to say what is right jihad and wrong jihad. Anyone can define it how they want as long as they get a mullah to rubber stamp it. I'm sure these bombers thought they were acting in the name of Islam. Innocents keep suffering and dying under these misconceptions of jihad.

More Muslim on Muslim violence met by a collective yawn.

Now who makes Muslim blood cheap? If the US had killed 68 unarmed people standing in a line, there would be huge headlines screaming massacre! If Sharon did it there would be 24 hour per day coverage by Al-Jazeera.

This attrocity will not be remembered tomorrow by most of the Muslim world.

Yawn...

Please do not try to be sarcastic while hurting other people's emotions. This incidence is extremely unfortunate as well as brutal and every human being should be feeling sad about it let alone posting dancing and bhangra icons. For God sake….Now I can see the start of another useless debate bashing each other’s philosophies and ideologis without any depth….

I usually tend to send PM (private messages) to guppies when I have to address a particular point but this time I want to take this opportunity to ask all of you to act sensible, be productive and if nothing else, please be sensitive to each other’s emotions. I deleted at least 20 posts 2 two days ago; all of them were absolutely rubbish bashing each other’s religion and faith in a humiliating way. I have to say those posts were disgusting. And it was after I was continuously asking those members to behave. I still did not issue the warning to any of the members because it is the last thing I want to do. Please heed the call and co-operate us in making this forum more productive. I have to say that the guppies at World affairs are extremely intelligent but of course, intelligence always provokes to think differently which in turn creates a “difference in opinion”. And there is absolutely nothing wrong in having a different opinion so far it is expressed in a civilized manner.

I hope every one will cooperate and I don’t have to issue any warnings……And this message is for all of us and i am not pin-pointing any particular guppy. Thanks a lot.

** “The terrorists’ goal is to hamper the police work, terrorize our citizens and show that the government is unable to protect the Iraqi people, and this will not happen,” said Hamid al-Bayati, a deputy foreign minister. **

Somehow or other I keep holding to the belief that the Iraqi people who are so close now to finding the brutal repressive regime they lived with for so many decades replaced by a government that is more responsive and representative of and to their hopes, fears, desires, and wishes in life will not allow thugs to take control of them through execution of a policy of terrror.

When it's Bulgarians, Americans, Indians, Jews or someone else who gets beheaded, they can go about their business without much discriminating thought. But when they see their own women and children dismembered by this kind of attack, they've simply got to undertand and realize that the enemy they need to worry about comes from within more so than from without. Despite their concern and outrage for the innocents who tragically perish in US military operations, they do know they don't have to fear US troops gunning down innocent Iraqis in the streets as they shop, look for work, go to school and go about their daily lives.

There will come a time, sooner rather than later, that the average Iraqi will stop tolerating and looking the other way while insurgents hide amongst them for safety during the day and terrorize them by night. More and more fingers will start pointing and we'll start to see a few headless terrorist corpses hanging from meat hooks in the town square.

sarcasm and finger pointing only cheapens the unfortunate butchering of these innocent people by idiots. But go ahead, cheapen their deaths by using that as yet another stream in your pissing contests.

..innocent people died yet again. A sad sad day indeed. Why did they die? Could it have something ot do with the fact that in the religion forum no one can come up with what jihad really means? I think lateral thinking is lacking in a big way.

In one forum we get "This incidence is extremely unfortunate as well as brutal and every human being should be feeling sad about" and "sarcasm and finger pointing only cheapens the unfortunate butchering of these innocent people by idiots" but yet in another forum we get "God Bless All Suicide Warriors" and "Mujahid who wishes to return to the world so that he may be martyred ten times because of the dignity he receives (from Allah)."

So which is it? Do these ideals transcend forums or do we adjust our posts based on the intelligence levels of each forum?

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In one forum we get "This incidence is extremely unfortunate as well as brutal and every human being should be feeling sad about" and "sarcasm and finger pointing only cheapens the unfortunate butchering of these innocent people by idiots" but yet in another forum we get "God Bless All Suicide Warriors" and "Mujahid who wishes to return to the world so that he may be martyred ten times because of the dignity he receives (from Allah)."

So which is it? Do these ideals transcend forums or do we adjust our posts based on the intelligence levels of each forum?
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I think what you are seeing is that much of the "Islamic world" is conflicted about how to view these mujahideen/terrorists. It is not the ** tactics ** that many decry. The important aspect to focus on for many is the ** identity of the the victim. ** In other words, the legitimacy of the tactic is determined by the identity of the victim.

That is one reason why I don't personally believe a global unified "war on terror" is possible. The war must be viewed battlefield by battlefield. The coalition fighting on each battlefield will be a different mix of countries. You will get some countries that focus on the terror tactic as being wrong who will fight on most if not all battlefields. Then you will get some who will fight with you in a specific battlefield because they are against the use of the terror tactic against that particular group of victims. Some of your allies on battlefield 1 might even support the terrorists directly or indirectly on battlefield 2.

Sad :frowning:

But of course our jihadi crowd will say that this was done by the Jews or US agents :rolleyes:

No, we do not practice double standards at GUPSHUP. And NO, we do not adjust our posts based on the intelligence level. The problem is much more deeper than your imagination.

At these crucial times, when the theory of “clash of civilizations” seems real (thanks to Mr. Bush and AQ’s polices in last 4 years),and when the definitions of Terrorism (western philosophy) and Jihad (Muslim ideologist) keep intermingling, We Muslims are confused what to do. Nevertheless, I guess it is time for us (Muslims) to stand up and start condemning all acts of violence (regardless of who committed them) , which end up killing poor and innocent civilians.

Seminole, The answer to all of your questions is provided in a best possible way in the following article. I hope it helps.

http://www.dawn.com/weekly/mazdak/mazdak.htm

Seems some people here are quite dense yet still find a way to complicate things.

Jihad is a struggle in the way of Islam and Allah. This can covers a range of things including seeking knowledge, living in accordance to Islam, doing good deeds etc. AND it also applies in the context of defense to any threat to Muslims/Islam.

Now if any of you think that blowing up sixty odd Muslims falls under the defnition of Jihad then get your head examined.

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Now if any of you think that blowing up sixty odd Muslims falls under the defnition of Jihad then get your head examined.
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The $64,000 question is how can you or anyone else hail a person as a jihadi when he blows up 5 US Marines on Monday when the same guy/group blows up 60+ Iraqis on Tuesday? It's all part and parcel of the same agenda. The guy/group is NOT a valiant Islamic jihadi deserving of praise on Monday and then discarded as un-Islamic trash on Tuesday. The answer is that he was un-Islamic trash on both Monday and Tuesday. The positive byproduct of there being more and more Tuesday's in Iraq is that these terrorist thugs are exposing themselves as the trash they are. Even those who might have supported them on Monday because of the identity of their victims at that time are seeing the truth and hopefully headless terrorist corpses will hang from more and more meathooks in the coming days, weeks and months.

There is a difference between fighting and killing the invaders and occupiers and killing innocent Iraqis. These guys are no better than the ones who were so proud of their "shock and Awe" campaign, which killed thousands of innocent Iraqis. Both are equally despicable and if one is terrorist, so is the other.

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Why cannot people simply condemn suicide bombers without in the same sentence bringing in US or others?

Phoenixdesi,

The article you posted is indeed excellent. I started agreeing with most of what this columnist says, soon after the Afghan war. It deserves to be cut and pasted in it’s entirety here, as it is the most mature analysis I have seen in some time to come from a Pakistani, and a Muslim. At a time when dissent in Muslim circles is often met with violence, I am amazed that this guy is still alive…

Losing the high ground

By Irfan Husain

Last week, I saw a paragraph in a British newspaper that almost made me scream with rage: according to a wire service, a 14-year old Kashmiri girl’s ears, nose and tongue were sliced off by a militant separatist group because they suspected her of being a police informer.

What kind of people would inflict this kind of torture on a child? Nobody I know is capable of hurting an animal in this manner, leave alone a human being. I wonder what kind of pervert can deliberately take a knife to a little girl, and cause her such unbearable pain. Those responsible must be sadistic to a degree the rest of us can only imagine.

In the past, there have been incidents of girls being permanently disfigured by having acid thrown on their faces because they did not cover themselves in the manner jihadis demanded. Kashmiri separatists have also committed countless atrocities against Hindu women and children in random acts of terrorism.

How these cold-blooded killers think they can gain support for their cause by committing these barbaric acts is beyond me. How can any decent person defend such viciousness? Or, for that matter, how can any government back groups capable of behaving in this manner?

For years, successive Pakistani governments have consistently denied providing material support to militant Kashmiri outfits in their struggle. Even accepting this denial at face value, it is no secret that Islamic parties in Pakistan have been training, arming and funding various extremist groups operating in Kashmir. And indisputably, these militants have been allowed to come and go over the Line of Control.

Given this covert support for militants, it is hard to see how we can distance ourselves from atrocities reported regularly from Indian-held Kashmir. Surely some of the stigma must stick to those who approved and carried out this policy.

In this context, it is useful to examine the role of the Pakistani media. Where are the loud condemnations of these atrocities in editorials and op-ed articles? Over the years, we have all been unanimous in criticizing the excesses committed by Indian security forces against innocent Kashmiri civilians. And rightly so. But applying the same moral yardstick, we should condemn in unequivocal terms the indiscriminate mayhem and misery spread by separatists. Our silence only encourages them to commit even worse crimes in the name of independence.

These moral double standards are in evidence in much of the Muslim world. When Muslims are subjected to atrocities - as they have been from Serbia to Chechnya - the entire world of Islam protests loudly and vociferously. However, when Muslims behave in vile and unacceptable ways, there is a wall of silence.

To illustrate this point, let us take the on-going atrocities being committed by (Muslim) descendants of Arabs in the Darfur region of Sudan against black (non-Muslim) Africans. One does not recall reading many articles and editorials in newspapers in the Islamic world condemning these brutalities, despite the fact that a million people have been displaced, and ten thousand reported killed by the so-called janjaweed militias. According to Human Rights Watch, there is documentary evidence to prove that these thugs are supported by the Sudanese government.

When human rights organizations like Amnesty International spotlight atrocities against Muslims in Chechnya and Serbia, we cite their findings as gospel. But when these same international groups report on atrocities committed by Muslims, we accuse them of anti-Islam bias.

The media’s indifference only reflects the conspiracy of silence among Islamic states. When was the last time an erring member of the Organization of Islamic Conference (OIC) put on the mat for lawless behaviour? Most members are guilty of routinely flouting the human rights of their citizens. But which leader or government has ever been called to account?

The on-going crisis within the Palestinian Authority is another example of double standards. Muslims (and most freedom loving people) around the world have supported the Palestinian cause for years. But Yasser Arafat’s free and easy ways with the PA’s funds are an open secret, and are now a festering sore.

But despite the on-going protests by Palestinian activists against the nepotism and cronyism rife around Arafat, there is little condemnation from much of the Islamic world. The international donor community has been vocal in publicising this corruption, but we have chosen to swallow Arafat’s defence that these charges are part of Israeli propaganda.

In Chechnya, we have been unanimous in condemning Russian action against civilians that has approached genocide proportions. However, we have chosen to close our eyes to the gangsterism rife in Chechnya that has nothing to do with politics. Foreign aid workers, businessmen and journalists have often been kidnapped for straight ransom, and not for any political concessions.

These examples of selective morality can be multiplied. But the ones cited here should be sufficient to establish that we in the Muslim world behave like a gaggle of ostriches when it comes to each other’s failings. Against the perceived hostility of the rest of the world, we feel we must close ranks and protect each other.

The problem with this approach is that when we blame others, we have no credibility. How can we condemn Indian atrocities against civilians when separatists behave no better? How can the OIC attack Israel for atrocities against Palestinians when many of its member states treat their citizens far worse?

All of us are often guilty of shielding our own against the criticism of outsiders. But if there comes a point when our own behave in ways unacceptable to society, than we must summon up the moral courage to condemn these acts. If we cannot do so, we renounce the right to criticize anybody else for these same acts.

This is not to say that there are no areas of moral ambiguity, and everything is black or white. But some acts are so beyond the pale that there is no room for ifs and buts: if we cannot condemn them immediately and strongly, we lose the moral high ground forever. And for me, this line is crossed when a 14-year old girl’s ears, nose and tongue are cut off.

http://www.dawn.com/weekly/mazdak/mazdak.htm

But these ar ethe brave mujaheddin fighting jihad in Kashmir. The writer must be a non-muslim, most likely hindu or jew.