Re: 62 dead in suspected blast on India-Pakistan train
I did not read reports but I have heard most of the people who died were Pakistanis by nationality?
Also, hats off to our incompetent 'railgari' jahil minister sheikh rashid urf sheeda talli for making an ass out of himself yet again.
Re: 62 dead in suspected blast on India-Pakistan train
How did he make as ass of himself. Shouldnt Indian Rail Minister be responsible?
Re: 62 dead in suspected blast on India-Pakistan train
Also, hats off to our incompetent 'railgari' jahil minister sheikh rashid urf sheeda talli for making an ass out of himself yet again.
They have so far identified only one body, others are aparently charred beyond recognition. It is not right to speculate about the nationalities because there are several Indian muslims who travel in this train to meet their loved ones in Pakistan.
Re: 62 dead in suspected blast on India-Pakistan train
“This is a very unique attack. The target is unique: both Indians and Pakistanis, together,” says Ajit Doval, the former director of India’s Intelligence Bureau (IB). “The irony of this attack is that it does the opposite of what it’s trying to achieve – it brings the people of both countries together.”
This train service, which connects thousands of Indian and Pakistani families divided by the border, is widely regarded as a visual symbol of the peace process between the two nations. The service was stalled after a terrorist attack on the Indian Parliament in 2002, only to be resumed again in 2004.
“It’s the most visible symbol of peace and a very soft target,” says Ayaz Amir, a political commentator for Islamabad-based The Dawn newspaper. The majority of travelers on the low-priced rail line live in poverty.
Just as the Kashmir earthquake united India and Pakistan in the rescue and rebuilding effort two years ago, some analysts say, India and Pakistan should use Sunday’s attacks as an springboard for continuing negotiations.
“We need to put more meaning in the peace process. Let’s move on with it,” says Mr. Amir. “We mustn’t let the terrorists win.”
Mr. Doval said that he suspects the same perpetrators involved in previous attacks – namely Pakistan-based Islamist groups Lashkar-i Tayyaba and Jaish-e Muhammed.
What is baffling about the attacks, he says, is that the bombers are targeting Pakistani citizens.
Doval points out that terrorism in the disputed region of Kashmir – the most contentious issue between the two countries – is at an all-time low.
The number of politically motivated killings has dropped by two-thirds since 2001 to three from 10 per day – the lowest since the Kashmiri uprising began in the early 1990’s. The declining attacks could be a sign that Pakistan-based terrorist groups operating in India are feeling increased pressure from the Pakistani government, says Doval.
“Targeting Pakistani civilians could be a sign of their resentment,” Doval says of the Kashmiri separatists.
Re: 62 dead in suspected blast on India-Pakistan train
All said and done let’s see what investigating agencies are able to come up with ??
Re: 62 dead in suspected blast on India-Pakistan train
I have no doubt that some "jihadi" organization is behind this. If not for the army of Pakistan, we would become like Iraq. Please read these famous verses of the Quran again. In light of th present predicament of our Ummah, these may in fact refer to those violent extremists who justify the murder of anyone, even fellow Muslims, in the name of their selfish goals.
[2:8] Then there are those who say, “We believe in GOD and the Last Day,” while they are not believers.
[2:9] In trying to deceive GOD and those who believe, they only deceive themselves without perceiving.
[2:10] In their minds there is a disease. Consequently, GOD augments their disease. They have incurred a painful retribution for their lying.
[2:11] When they are told, “Do not commit evil,” they say, “But we are righteous!”
[2:12] In fact, they are evildoers, but they do not perceive.
[2:13] When they are told, “Believe like the people who believed,” they say, “Shall we believe like the fools who believed?” In fact, it is they who are fools, but they do not know.
[2:14] When they meet the believers, they say, “We believe,” but when alone with their devils, they say, “We are with you; we were only mocking.”
[2:15] GOD mocks them, and leads them on in their transgressions, blundering.
[2:16] It is they who bought the straying, at the expense of guidance. Such trade never prospers, nor do they receive any guidance.
[2:17] Their example is like those who start a fire, then, as it begins to shed light around them, GOD takes away their light, leaving them in darkness, unable to see.
[2:18] Deaf, dumb, and blind; they fail to return.
Re: 62 dead in suspected blast on India-Pakistan train
Too much spin from certain quarters.
Too little indignation from pusillanimous Pakistanis, bereft of self-respect and confidence.
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Also, hats off to our incompetent 'railgari' jahil minister sheikh rashid urf sheeda talli for making an ass out of himself yet again.
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spock bhai jan, Sheikh Rashid might be sheeda talli, but he had the courage to apologize to the relatives of the victims for not being able to provide the names of the dead or injured.
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They have so far identified only one body, others are aparently charred beyond recognition. It is not right to speculate about the nationalities because there are several Indian muslims who travel in this train to meet their loved ones in Pakistan.
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*Speculation about nationalities could be wrong for Indians, but many Pakistanis are desperately waiting to know the fate of their loved ones. So my speculation is that most of the victims are Pakistanis, and a greater proportion belongs to Islamic faith. Some help from Indian officials in this regard would be appreciated.
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"This is a very unique attack. The target is unique: both Indians and Pakistanis, together," says Ajit Doval, the former director of India's Intelligence Bureau (IB). "The irony of this attack is that it does the opposite of what it's trying to achieve – it brings the people of both countries together."
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Maybe the former intelligence director should ask the present intelligence directors of India about how the explosives/inflammable material found its way into the train instead of parroting about Kashmiri groups? After all the train is screened by Indian intelligence/security officials.
Besides, the attack is not so 'unique' as IB would have us believe. The people who were able to plant bombs in Mosque after Mumbai train blasts are quite capable of making a few more bombs and planting them in train, especially when the intelligence and security officials are too busy crafting stories about your rival country to divert the attention from the menace of home-grown terrorism.
It's time for Indians to look for answers in their own backyards, and when I say own backyards, it doesn't mean Indian Muslim's backyards only. The sooner Indians do it, the better it is for their own country.
Re: 62 dead in suspected blast on India-Pakistan train
I was referring to the comments he was making.
Re: 62 dead in suspected blast on India-Pakistan train
Stop lying.
The news article you have linked above is about the Quetta bombing in Pakistan - not the train explosions in Haryana, India.
Re: 62 dead in suspected blast on India-Pakistan train
really really sad incident....what must the relatives be feeling at this point...the bodies of their loved ones are so burnt...they can't even bury them...people who kill innocent people like that...don't they have families themselves? insaaniyat khatam hoti jaa rahi hai
Re: 62 dead in suspected blast on India-Pakistan train
Soon, once again the official ministry and the Home Minister of India will victoriously inform us the name of the groups behind the killings.
No, we want to know if the Indian security forces succeed in catching the culprits.
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How many of them you guyz managed to catch in past...?? have you ever wanted to know that??
or terrorists are like villain from movies, who leave clue for some 007 to catch them??
dude, this bombing is one more tragic incident, aimed at destroying the peace initiative by certain elements who will otherwise lose their relevance....
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"This is a very unique attack. The target is unique: both Indians and Pakistanis, together," says Ajit Doval, the former director of India's Intelligence Bureau (IB). "The irony of this attack is that it does the opposite of what it's trying to achieve – it brings the people of both countries together."
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Bringing us together? This Ajit Doval should come and see the Gupshup forums.
Re: 62 dead in suspected blast on India-Pakistan train
A joint investigation by both Nations may help us trace the preparators....
this can be investigated as a confidence building case by "Joint Anti-terror Mechanism" which India and Pakistan agreed to form recently. Also this will help in analysing the relevance of this new mechanism.
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ya....now terrorism has just become like a 'kabaddi' match.
but this time it is not bad that no one is telling us that so and so religion is very peaceful and human loving.
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Those who blame entire religion for the extremism of it's followers are just ignorants.
However my point was nothing about religion or extremism.
Fact is that Joint Anti-terror Mechanism has been agreed by both Pakistan and India and this is the right time to implement it.
Re: 62 dead in suspected blast on India-Pakistan train
It turns out that the bomb was designed to ignite some sort of fuel and to start a fire in the train.. This could then be the hand of Hindu extremists aswell.
What really disturbing is that according to police, people were screming inside but they couldnt get to them because the doors were locked and windows barred... If such is the case, then its an extreme lack of foresight. Didnt anyone think something like this might happen if people are trapped in a box train?!?!?
Re: 62 dead in suspected blast on India-Pakistan train
Sad incident. But good decision from Pak govenment to carry on with the peace process.
Re: 62 dead in suspected blast on India-Pakistan train
PP
I raised this point in one of my posts. This train is like a bloody cage, even vestibules are locked and now latest reports say that some people were allowed to board this train without verifying their passports which is a must before tickets are issued...a serious security lapse. Many heads have already rolled but you know these lives could have been saved if security agencies were alert from the day one. But who cares, public memory is short.
In Iran a guy was hanged for mastermining a blast that killed 12 people, an incident hardly a few week old. An example of quick justice.
So many train blasts have happened in the past, I don't recall anybody getting caught and punished.
You will probably recall that President of India Dr. Kalam who was invited to chair a 150 year anniversay of police in one of the South Indian states bluntly told them to improve their image and instil confidence in public. Police reforms were planned several years ago but plans are gathering dust, nobody wants to do it because it 'affects' some guys in the establishment.
Re: 62 dead in suspected blast on India-Pakistan train
And if the explosions were carryied out with well equipped bombs for a bigger distruction.....whom you would have blamed....some kind of Tayeba band or Hijrabulla etc?