Re: 6 Muslims sue US Airways
Ohioguy proposed
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Just factually, this all started because of a note from an Arabic speaking passenger to the aircrew. There just might be two sides to this story.**
hey man every story has atleast two sides :) but lets see
*"It was all of the suspicious things they did." *
okay lets see how suspicious they were. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
*Sitting by Minneapolis-St. Paul's Airport Gate C9, she noticed one imam immediately. "He was pacing nervously, talking in Arabic," *
hmmm, pacing nervously, speaking in your mother tongue...very suspicious. I recall when I founf out that my dad had cancer and I was at an airport and was pacing nervously and since I was speaking to my mum I was speaking urdu cuz she prefers that over english..
so not a huge "suspicion' factor for me. But yeah..for Pauline Hitler, it may be a little suspicious.
** But then a note from a passenger about suspicious movements of the imams got the crew's attention. **
Okay so a passenger, whom we will refer to as James Bond 007 had enough credibility to stop the whole flight..okay.
** Captain John Howard Wood was weighing multiple factors. **
oki doki, lets see what was on cap'ns mind.
** * An Arabic speaker was seated near two of the imams in the plane's tail. That passenger pulled a flight attendant aside and, in a whisper, translated what the men were saying: invoking "bin Laden" and condemning America for "killing Saddam," according to police reports. **
hey man, many people condemned US for killing saddam, dunn make em terrorists. and what is invoking bin laden. but hey man, james bond 007 has **** loads of credibility.
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* An imam seated in first class asked for a seat-belt extender - the extra strap that obese people use because the standard belt is too short. According to both an on-duty and a deadheading flight attendant, he looked too thin to need one. **
Hey "looked" too thin, well maybe he was maybe he was not.
** A seat-belt extender can easily be used as a weapon - just wrap one end around your fist, and swing the heavy metal buckle. **
so can regular belts...
** All six imams had boarded together, with the first-class passengers - even though only one of them had a first-class ticket. Three had one-way tickets. Between the six men, only one had checked a bag. **
okay then, first of all the airlines usually seat first class ppl and ppl who need special assistance etc. Airline could have stopped the gys and said okay dude u cant board, seen it happen all the time when some yahoo tries to break in front of me when only the elite passengers are borading..yaaay :)
of the 6 men only one had checked a bag...hmmmm, how many ppl still check in bags for a weekender type trip. all my consulting life, I never checked a bag unless I had no other choice.
** And, Pauline said, they spread out - just like the 9/11 hijackers. Two sat in first class, two in the middle and two back in the economy section, police reports show. **
so two ppl were loaded two were so so and two were poor folk. big deal.
*Some, according to Rader, took seats not assigned to them. *
yeah, so 'some' had some discipline issues, see it on many flights, ppl dont want to sit in middle seat so they go take a seat they think is unassigned, sometimes to be pimp slapped by the crew and sent back to their seat and somtimes it goes unnoticed, ..when the seat is infact unassigned.
** Finally, a gate attendant told the captain she was suspicious of the imams, according to police reports. **
on what basis? what is this agent 008 here?
** So the captain made his decision to delay the flight based on many complaints, not one. **
sure...he did what he needed to do then.
*He also consulted a federal air marshal, a U.S. Airways ground-security coordinator and the airline's security office in Phoenix. All thought the imams were acting suspiciously, Rader told me. *
sure, so they thought these gusy were suspicious based on whatever evidence was presented.
*One more odd thing went unnoticed at the time: The men prayed both at the gate and on the plane. Yet observant Muslims pray only *once at sundown, not twice. **
they could have had only enough time to do the Farz, and not the sunnah prayers.
do any of these experts know what a farz and sunnah or nafil is?
secndly, these so called experts should know that while you are travelling you can combine maghrib and Ishaa i.e. teh 4th prayer of the day and 5th prayer of the day. now depending on school of thought, some people wait just a little bit between the two prayers even when they combine them.
just coming up with this "one more odd thing that went unnoticed" shows me how knowledgeable and genuine the writer is. all its takes is a few minutes on google for anyone to figure this out, or hey call a muslim friend (if you have a moooooozlim friend) and just ask him, but hey minter is a best selling author and whatever the fark at hudson institute, he should have known better.
** "It was almost as if they were intentionally trying to get kicked off the flight," Pauline said. **
yeah, pauline. agent 009
** While the imams were soon released, Pauline is fuming: "We are the victims of these people. They need to be more sensitive to us. They were totally insensitive to us and then accused us of being insensitive to them.**
how is Pauline the victom of "these people" so whatever evidence was presented was shared with the feds and they did not see any issue.
** The flight was delayed for some 31/2 hours. Bomb-sniffing dogs swept the plane, and every passenger got re-screened. **
so thats security doing their job based on all this evidence presented to them by experts like Pauline, some arabic speaking bloke, a gate agent..etc. if it were up to 'these people' they would have flown and not taken off the plane and no need for bomb sniffing dogs and all..
** "I think it was either a foiled attempt to take over the plane or it was a publicity stunt to accuse us of being insensitive," Pauline told me. "It had to be to intimidate U.S. Airways to ease up on security." **
Pauline needs to lay off the funny brownies I think..
** So far, U.S. Airways refuses to be intimidated, even though the feds have launched an investigation. "We are absolutely backing this crew," Rader said. **
sure man, back the crew...the feds cleared the men, so unless we are saying that the feds know less than the arab amateuer translator, a gate agent, this pauline character
** Tucked away in the police report is this little gem: One imam had complained to a passenger that some nations don't follow sharia law and had said his job in Bakersfield, Calif., was a cover for "representing Muslims here in the U.S." **
how do we know this person is telling the truth...but assuming that he is..
many ppl complain that nations dont follow shariah law, dunn make teh dude a terrorist, and if this guys job as an imam is a cover for being some sort of muslim champion, that still does not make him a terrorist.
** What are the imams really up to? Something more than praying, it seems. **
so why did teh feds clear them? and when the feds cleared them the airline still not allowing them to fly is just plain simple idiotic.
what i see here is that imams who followed all the protocol, before their convention and who were cleared by security agencies again and again, but hey as long as pauline, the translator, the gate lady and the shariah dude say the guys are bad news, I guess we hafta believe them.
what is mr . minster up to, an ass clwon who cant even find out something as simple as ppl praying farz, sunnah, and nafil prayers, or combining maghrib (sundown 4th prayer) and ishaa (after sunset 5th prayer) together or with a little break.