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I am very familiar with what Kumbaya means OG. English afterall is my first language.
while what I said is far from reality today, is it far from reality for all times?
just remember, abolishign slavery was one of em kumbaya concepts once too. and see how far we have come in US to abolish slavery
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^^ See above reference to "hopelessly optimistic".
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that is the way to go though...we teach kids not to fight but as grown ups we have no problems going to war..
so while in your viw my stance may be hopelessly optimistic, it is a hope for a better future, and letting go of our cavemen barbaric tendencies.
I am a realist, constantly looking for a reason to be optimistic ;)
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Yea, but chances are that terrorist hasn't been the driving force that stopped the spread of totalinarism, Nazism, Japanese imprerialism and communism, allow the majority of the world to live freely. I'm sorry you can't make that distincition. Your life is far more comfortable and free because of the decisions and sacrifices the US has made in the past 100 years, including the ending of WWII and the defeat of the Japanese.
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When was the last time a Prophet was part of war? some 1400-1500 years ago? How many wars were fought before and after?
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So God's last prophets and last messages were unable to end war (and actually endorsed it), but the nuke is going to make the world a peaceful place?? It that's the case, Albert Einstein should be credited as the last great prophet.
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The only reason powerful nations don't want other nations to have a nuke is that if everyone gets'em then they won't be as 'powerful' as they are today, they'll lose their dictating-power on many issues.
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It takes more than a few bombs to become a superpower. Seriously, do you believe every country should have nukes? You honestly believe that doesn't increase the chances of nuclear war with Chaos theory? It's like saying that because some own guns in socieity, everyone should no matter their mental stability, honesty, motives or responsibility.
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US has done great job on many fronts but also done many misdeeds on many fronts inviting all the criticism and earning enemies. US's constant poking noses around the world when not needed is one of the reasons it has so many critics and enemies.
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So God's last prophets and last messages were unable to end war (and actually endorsed it), but the nuke is going to make the world a peaceful place?? It that's the case, Albert Einstein should be credited as the last great prophet.
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If war is the only criteria for you to consider someone as prophet then by all means you can consider any US president, Albert Einstein, Bushy, Mushy, Kimmy as your prophet, our criteria is different.
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It takes more than a few bombs to become a superpower. Seriously, do you believe every country should have nukes? You honestly believe that doesn't increase the chances of nuclear war with Chaos theory? It's like saying that because some own guns in socieity, everyone should no matter their mental stability, honesty, motives or responsibility.
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It does take a lot more than a nuke to be a 'super-power' but being a 'super-power' also brings lots of accountability alongwith responsibility... if 'super-power' fails on accountability/responsibility part then anyone can become one by joining the bully party.
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as peter parker's uncle ben told him..with great power comes great responsibility
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Semi, this is what slays me. Up until 9/11, we ( America) had been riding the "peace dividend". We had down sized the military, cut b-52 bombers in half, cut nukes, slashed many divisions of the military, and moved from supporting dictators to deposing them. We had championed human rights world-wide, only to be undercut by the Russians and Chinese who are business whores. Yet there is this real quandry as to what the US leadership has delivered. Somehow the defeat of the Japanese, Communism, Fascism, Totalitarianism is twisted into aggression. Did we blow up a lot of Japanese? Yup. We didn't start that war, and if you read about Japanese work camps you will realize how heinous that regime was. Even the Germans and Japanese realize how heinous they were, and they are now our allies.
I say screw it. Non-proliferation is dead. Let the Japanese and the Koreans, and the Taiwanese build bombs. Hell, let's sell them what they need, buy GE stock! Sell the Hindus and Jews all the weapons they can afford.
Frikin' people do not want democracy, they want hate and warlords and fighting and beheadings and conflict. But you look around and in every corner of the world Muslims are at war. They are at war with Bhuddists, Communists, Jews, Russians, Christians, Hindus and each other. That makes pretty much the entire remainder of the world. Peaceful co-existance is dead. We are headed into a century of war. Dig your bunker, buy your duck tape, get your anthrax antidote, a big war is coming. Pax Americana is dead, snug up your helmet.
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It's also one of the reasons you don't speak Russian and are living in a comfy, modern democracy with freedom of speech and religion.
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If war is the only criteria for you to consider someone as prophet then by all means you can consider any US president, Albert Einstein, Bushy, Mushy, Kimmy as your prophet, our criteria is different.
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What could be more important than mankind living in peace? Mimicking heaven on earth? Super-Prophets can't stop mankind from warring, but the most violent weapon imaginable can? I don't believe that for a second.
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It does take a lot more than a nuke to be a 'super-power' but being a 'super-power' also brings lots of accountability alongwith responsibility... if 'super-power' fails on accountability/responsibility part then anyone can become one by joining the bully party.
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Again, this ignores all the things I have already typed a few times - the US is primarily responsible for the growth of democracy, freedoms and human rights around the (non-Muslim) world for the past century.
I agree with you, Mr F. and Uncle Ben that with great power comes great responsibility. No other country has done more with that resonsibility than the US, even with the occasiontal misteps along the way. Bush's Iraq debacle does not change 100 years of history or means that every despot and rogue regime needs a nuke.
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Who knows if Russia had transformed into what China is today? For all we know, US defeated Russia at the cost of converting Afghanistan and Pakistan into heaven for militancy.
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What could be more important than mankind living in peace? Mimicking heaven on earth? Super-Prophets can't stop mankind from warring, but the most violent weapon imaginable can? I don't believe that for a second.
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Again, you are unnecessarily dragging Prophets in your concept of war and peace. The fight of Prophets were against the bad ones, not for 'resources', not for 'oil/wealth/resources' of other nations. I can't believe for a second that if Iraq actually had WMDs anyone would have attacked her.
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Again, this ignores all the things I have already typed a few times - the US is primarily responsible for the growth of democracy, freedoms and human rights around the (non-Muslim) world for the past century.
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US may be responsible for growth of democracy, but also responsible for supporting dictators all around the globe when needed, so keep the democracy out too.
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I agree with you, Mr F. and Uncle Ben that with great power comes great responsibility. No other country has done more with that resonsibility than the US, even with the occasiontal misteps along the way. Bush's Iraq debacle does not change 100 years of history or means that every despot and rogue regime needs a nuke.
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what??? Iraq is the only mis-step in last 100 years?
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Nevermind, Captain. Your judgments and views on geopolitics are clearly clouded by an anti-USA pov that make discourse impossible. I don't wish you the alternative where Nazi Germany, imperial Japan or coummunist Russia ruled the roost today, but if they did you would realize that the US, through all her misteps, has brought about some good in the world, including the proliferation of democracy and human rights. So no, I won't keep keep democracy out of it. Because if it weren't for US, there in all likliehood wouldn't be any and you wouldn't be allowed to express your pov, nevermind be allowed to live somewhere outside of south asia.
Enjoy the freedoms they have brought to you now before all the rogue idiots you wish to have nukes blow us all to smithereens. Sorry, but your communist pov that all nations and governments are created equal and deserving of the same rights and responsibilities is wrong.
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You are making it as if Germany or Russia were about to enslave the world and lock them to their homelands.
“blow us all to smithereens”… yeah Iraqis were about to do the same before they were bombed, cool, keep it up, eventually only “with us” will remain on the planet :k: