4 Canadians killed by American "friendly fire"

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Cpl.Ainsworth Dyer
Age 25, of Montreal, Quebec

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Pte. Richard Green
Age 21, of Mill Cove, Nova Scotia. Graduated from Forest Heights Community School. Joined the military in September 1998.

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Sgt. Marc D. Leger
Age 29, of Lancaster, Ontario.
In the army for nine years.

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**“I loved him very much and I’m extremely proud of him.”
– Marley Leger, wife of Sgt. Marc Leger **

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Pte. Nathan Smith
Age 27 of Porter’s Lake, Nova Scotia.
Graduated nine years ago from Eastern Shore District High School.
Joined Armed Forces in 1998.

8 others were wounded

THE WOUNDED

*Sgt. Lorne Ford
Age: 33
Cpl. René Paquette
Age: 33
Winnipeg
Master Cpl. Curtis R. Hollister
Age: 29
Cupar, Saskatchewan
Cpl. Brett R. Perry
Age: 26
Pte. Norman Link
Age: 24
Cpl. Shane Brennan
Age: 28
Collingwood, Ontario
Master Cpl. Stanley P. Clark
Age: 35
Cpl. Brian Decaire
Age: 25 *


DS: “What ever happened to ‘Trust No One’?”
FM: “I changed it to ‘Trust Everyone.’ Didn’t I tell you?”

I wont say much cuz i'll get emotional. What really pisses me off is the fact that this incident has recieved little or no coverage in the American media. Bush's reaction to the whole thing was callous and cold. The casual little comment he did make made him come across as someone who didn't give a rat's ass about the whole thing.
I know it was an accident but this reaction is in stark contrast to the whining fits the Americans throw when one of their own dies.

**Bush, top U.S. general react differently to Canadians' deaths **

WASHINGTON - U.S. President George W. Bush and the top U.S. general were a study in contrasts Thursday in reacting to the deaths of four Canadian soldiers accidentally killed by a U.S. pilot.

*Bush did not mention the deaths during a series of events in Washington until a reporter shouted a question as the president was leaving the fourth meeting of the day. "I talked to the prime minister last night and expressed my condolences," Bush said. *

He called Jean Chrétien late Wednesday when news of the deaths reached Ottawa and Washington. The accident happened in Afghanistan when Canadian soldiers were on a night training exercise.

At a media briefing Thursday, a clearly distressed chairman of the U.S. joint chiefs of staff, General Richard Myers, said the accident "is right up there with the worst news I've heard in my career."

Later Thursday, the White House put out a statement expressing regret at the deaths and admiration for Canadian soldiers and Canada's contribution to the fight against terrorism in Afghanistan.

Both the U.S. and Canadian military have begun investigations into the circumstances of the deaths. But losses to "friendly fire" are very common in war, historians and soldiers say.

Fog of war

While some Canadian soldiers expressed anger at the U.S. military, others were sad but recognized the fog of war often leads to horrible accidents.

*On Wednesday in Afghanistan, members of the Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry were on a night exercise using real ammunition. Two U.S. F-16 fighters on patrol in the same area saw the gun flashes and one of the pilots believed he was being shot at.

They were apparently not aware they were flying over an area restricted for training.*

One pilot sought and received permission to mark the area as a potential target. He was not given permission to bomb it, but pilots can act in self-defence.

On a second pass over the area, he invoked his right of self-defence, and dropped at least one 250-kilogram laser-guided bomb.

Canadian Chief of Staff General Ray Henault, a pilot who has flown jet fighters, said the U.S. pilots were in a war zone and had to make a quick decision. "All of it is done in seconds," he said.

The U.S. pilot was from the 183rd Fighter Wing of the Air National Guard, based in Springfield, Ill. Gen. Myers said National Guard pilots are trained to the same standard as active Air Force pilots.

The U.S. investigation is expected to be complete in 30 to 60 days.

These are the first Canadian offensive combat casualties since the Korean War in the 1950's.


DS: "What ever happened to 'Trust No One'?"
FM: "I changed it to 'Trust Everyone.' Didn't I tell you?"

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America

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Dont think “you can” know “you can”
.::. ﷲ ﻼﺃ ﷲﺃ ﻶ .::.

So what?!
Weren't US Soldiers, carry on!
Friendly fire exists only when ppl of other countries die, but when it comes to USns it's terror!


WatCh youR tHoughtS; they become words.
WatCh youR wOrdS; they become actions.
WatCh youR aCtiOns; they become habits.
WatCh youR hAbiTs; they become character.
WatCh youR chaRactEr; it becomes your dEsTinY."

Humeraaaa bajjiiii

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Where have you been?? Haven’t seen you or talked to you in ages.

Welcome back

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i’ve missed your dandas

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hk, you have my deepest sympathies.

Soldiers are just soldiers, they are only doing their duty and they are also someone's son, daughter, brother, father etc. And its always a sad to lose a human life.

who gives damn abt these soldeirs they shudnt be in afghan in the 1st place...the more that die the merry!...keepin shootin each others and havin acciedents

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Originally posted by iam_bak:
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who gives damn abt these soldeirs they shudnt be in afghan in the 1st place...the more that die the merry!...keepin shootin each others and havin acciedents**
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Death in any form of any human is uncalled for.

And if you can't find sympathy in your heart for the suffering, then the least you can do is not display your callousness.

Grow up.

where have i been? i could ask you the same question! haven’t seen you on msn either.I haven’t been here in 2 months or so..exams and everything. its nice to see some of the old gang

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“You wanna know why Joey Ramone’s my hero?
Cuz people like you never managed to grind him down.
They never stole his spirit.
He never gave in, he never gave up, and never sold out.
Right 'til his last breath
And he’s not dead.
Guys like that…
They live forever.”

For ‘The Lone Gunmen’…you will always be remembered.

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Originally posted by iam_bak:
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who gives damn abt these soldeirs they shudnt be in afghan in the 1st place...the more that die the merry!...keepin shootin each others and havin acciedents**
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i wouldn't agree with you. Any soldiers who are there, wether American, Canadian or British are serving their respective countries. I've seen reports on American Muslim soldiers in Afghanistan..rebuilding destroyed mosques and praying there.
I have nothing against Americans...the only reason i find this hard to ignore is that everytime the Americans screw up, they act like nothing has happened. These four men died in an unfortunate accident which has received no coverage in the american media.
The youngest of these men was only 21..the same age as me! As a Canadian myself, I find it hard to maintain a i-dont-give-a-damn attitude about the whole thing.


"You wanna know why Joey Ramone's my hero?
Cuz people like you never managed to grind him down.
They never stole his spirit.
He never gave in, he never gave up, and never sold out.
Right 'til his last breath
And he's not dead.
Guys like that...
They live forever."

For 'The Lone Gunmen'....you will always be remembered.

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Originally posted by iam_bak:
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who gives damn abt these soldeirs they shudnt be in afghan in the 1st place...the more that die the merry!...keepin shootin each others and havin acciedents**
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That was uncalled far, totally out of order, think before you type something out next time..

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Originally posted by iam_bak:
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who gives damn abt these soldeirs they shudnt be in afghan in the 1st place...the more that die the merry!...keepin shootin each others and havin acciedents**
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WHAT A LOSER!!!!Could you be anymore low of a person then to take joy in the death of people regardless of who they are.

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Originally posted by hk:
** i wouldn't agree with you. Any soldiers who are there, wether American, Canadian or British are serving their respective countries. I've seen reports on American Muslim soldiers in Afghanistan..rebuilding destroyed mosques and praying there.
I have nothing against Americans...the only reason i find this hard to ignore is that everytime the Americans screw up, they act like nothing has happened. These four men died in an unfortunate accident which has received no coverage in the american media.
The youngest of these men was only 21..the same age as me! As a Canadian myself, I find it hard to maintain a i-dont-give-a-damn attitude about the whole thing.

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Rather Sad but so true on Bush's part. He is an Ignorant A$$ ........!


Zameen Par Bhaij Diya, Khair Muslaihat Uss ke, Mujhko to chand banana tha aasmaan kay liye

only because the americans think that their blood is more red.

well when Bush got elected one of my friends told me he doesn't like Canada. I chose not to really believe that but his actions over the past year have convinced me otherwise.


"You wanna know why Joey Ramone's my hero?
Cuz people like you never managed to grind him down.
They never stole his spirit.
He never gave in, he never gave up, and never sold out.
Right 'til his last breath
And he's not dead.
Guys like that...
They live forever."

For 'The Lone Gunmen'....you will always be remembered.

arent these canadians fighting for the same purpose as the americans? I wonder why some ignorant canadians here seem to think that their country is an angel and the US is the devil. If USA is an agressor, then Canada and Britain are equally as agressive, the only difference is, they need to hide behind the superpower.

Note to Canadian Guppers:-
Agar itne he ache hain aap ke canadian soldiers tu Afghanistan kya karne gaye the? Achar daalne?

And oh yes, mistakes in warfare is all part of the game, u wanna send ur boys to kill ppl, dont be surprised if yours get killed.

Canada →

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Spock, i think you missed the entire point of my post. It is NOT intended to prove that "Canada is an angel and the US is the devil" as you so eloquently put it. This is about the american government and the media acting like this incident did not take place. I also said that i DONT blame the american pilot because it was a mistake
Next time you comment on one of my posts, pay attention!
As for Canadians being there in the first place, one of my roomates asked me the same thing..why are we there? Its because the US has this tendency of imposing upon its allies, "you are either with us or against us," they say. Do you possibly think Canada had any choice?


"You wanna know why Joey Ramone's my hero?
Cuz people like you never managed to grind him down.
They never stole his spirit.
He never gave in, he never gave up, and never sold out.
Right 'til his last breath
And he's not dead.
Guys like that...
They live forever."

For 'The Lone Gunmen'....you will always be remembered.

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Ohh Please like we pressured Canada into helping us,like we were going to attack you if you didn't.Then why didn't we see any Canadian ground troops at the start of this conflict or any Canadian airplanes.If your country was attacked Americans would fight and die for your country because your our allie and friend.Either way with or without Canadian help America was going to find who was responsible for 9/11.

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Originally posted by Ums:
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Originally posted by iam_bak:
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who gives damn abt these soldeirs they shudnt be in afghan in the 1st place...the more that die the merry!...keepin shootin each others and havin acciedents**
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That was uncalled far, totally out of order, think before you type something out next time..

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What? of cousre its totally in line...1st thing usa,canadainz,etc no 1 has da rgt to go into another country and bomb an entire nation jus to get da gas pipeline deals! and 2nd thing they kill al these inncoent ppl will i hope more and more of these western soldiers die so that the ppl of agfhan can hav their land back..

yo these idoit want to fight 4 their messed up country fine go ahead i jus hope more n mor get killed in friendly fire and accidents ...LOLZZzzzzzz

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Originally posted by just2much:
Ohh Please like we pressured Canada into helping us,like we were going to attack you if you didn't.Then why didn't we see any Canadian ground troops at the start of this conflict or any Canadian airplanes.If your country was attacked Americans would fight and die for your country because your our allie and friend.Either way with or without Canadian help America was going to find who was responsible for 9/11.
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excuse me! but obviously u dont what you're talking about. Did you miss the whole 'you're either with us or against us' rhetoric from the american government after Sept 11? First of all, Canada would never refuse to help, thats just out of the realm of possibility. But lets say we had, or any country had, even Pakistan for example, do u think that country would have been left alone. it would have faced sanctions and would have been punished in more ways than can be imagined. the americans dont have to attack canada in order to punish it.
Canada was the first country to hold a massive vigil on parliament hill for Sept 11 and yet when Bush made his congressional address, he thanked many countries but 'forgot' canada. And let me tell you just2much, Canada also offered military support right away...it is up to the Americans to decide WHEN they want help...just like the british were'nt there right away. Get your facts straight before make accusations about another nation! This is typical of american behaviour regarding other countries and their ignorance of other cultures..that is what many people in canada have been saying lately.


"You wanna know why Joey Ramone's my hero?
Cuz people like you never managed to grind him down.
They never stole his spirit.
He never gave in, he never gave up, and never sold out.
Right 'til his last breath
And he's not dead.
Guys like that...
They live forever."

For 'The Lone Gunmen'....you will always be remembered.