Re: 38 Superior Judges take oath under PCO
They're lota judges whit no credibility nor will anyone recognize them. Once dictator and junta are ousted they'll pay for it. Like I said, if you cant buy a lota you can alway rent one. They're nothing more than rented and rejected lotas, and deserve nothing but contempt. No self respecting lawyer should appear in their courts.
Re: 38 Superior Judges take oath under PCO
Ch.Iftikhar and those judges who support him signed the PCO of 2000 and ignored the constitution then. So they were first great lota's for Musharraf huh?
These 45 Superior Court judges who have now signed the PCO of 2007 are doing nothing worse than their former boss did previously. So Ch. Iftikhar sahib can hardly claim the higher ground now. He is just being entirely hypocritcal.
Re: 38 Superior Judges take oath under PCO
Ch.Iftikhar and those judges who support him signed the PCO of 2000 and ignored the constitution then. So they were first great lota's for Musharraf huh?
These 45 Superior Court judges who have now signed the PCO of 2007 are doing nothing worse than their former boss did previously. So Ch. Iftikhar sahib can hardly claim the higher ground now. He is just being entirely hypocritcal.
Thats true, but times have changed now. Its not 2000 anymore. Its time to respect the constitution and work within its framework, or the country is going to fall apart because institutions matter, and the nations survive on institutions and not on individuals.
BTW, you're forgetting it was dictator who forced judge to take oath on PCO in 2000 and in 2007. So, are you condemning that or condoning that?
Re: 38 Superior Judges take oath under PCO
These 45 Superior Court judges who have now signed the PCO of 2007 are doing nothing worse than their former boss did previously.
Infact, these new judges want to take the Judiciary to its righful place by looking after the 'Judiciary', and not diluting it with the working of the 'Legislator' and the 'Executive' as the former CJ had done.
Re: 38 Superior Judges take oath under PCO
Thats true, but times have changed now. Its not 2000 anymore. Its time to respect the constitution and work within its framework, or the country is going to fall apart because institutions matter, and the nations survive on institutions and not on individuals.
Oh come on Shamraz! I highly respect your views becauase you at least you are consistent, but I expect better from you. Are you saying it was ok for Iftikhar and his supporting judges to ignore the constitution back in 2000, but hide behind it now? What utter hyprocrisy on Iftikhar's part. So here we have people like condenming a "dictator" for his selective attitude towards the constitution, yet find excuses when judges like the ex-CJ Ch.Iftikhar do the same as well.
Shamraz, this is all about power politics on all sides - Govt,opposition, judges etc, and not really about the constitution or rule of law - for all concerned. The sooner idealists or party jiyalas realise that the better.
Re: 38 Superior Judges take oath under PCO
Even though I supported Musharraf initially.
These actions like sacking the Supreme Court has crossed all the red lines.
I want Musharraf to take on the extremists.
Why is he attacking the Supreme Court, political rivals, etc....
And this juncture, Musharraf is a failure.
He cannot take on the extremists, seen as a petty dictator, etc....
I am henceforth no longer a supporter of Musharraf
I want him gone
Re: 38 Superior Judges take oath under PCO
More 4 SC judges take oath under PCO
Updated at 1035 PST
ISLAMABAD: Four more judges of the Supreme Court (SC) have taken oath under the PCO, the reports said. They included justice Qaim Jan Khan, justice Ejaz-ul-Hassan, justice Chaudhry Ejaz Yousuf and justice Moosa K. Leghari. The Chief Justice of the Supreme Court Justice Abdul Hameed Dogar administered the oath of the said judges. **In this way the number of the Supreme Court judges, who have taken oath under the PCO, has increased to nine. **
Re: 38 Superior Judges take oath under PCO
Are you saying it was ok for Iftikhar and his supporting judges to ignore the constitution back in 2000, but hide behind it now?
No, I never said that, but its cause effect relationship here which you're over looking. BTW, I respect your views as well, although I don't know what they are. I assume, reading from you're posts, you support status quo which why I asked the question.
Re: 38 Superior Judges take oath under PCO
No, I never said that, but its cause effect relationship here which you're over looking. BTW, I respect your views as well, although I don't know what they are. I assume, reading from you're posts, you support status quo which why I asked the question.
So was it right or wrong for Ch.Iftikhar and his supporting judges to swear an oath on Musharraf's PCO of 2000, and thereby ignore the constitution?
My views are quite clear on this topic. Judges like the ex-CJ Iftikhar who swore an oath on Musharraf's PCO in 2000 (and get promoted from the Quetta High Court to the Supreme Court in his case), have no moral right to blast those judges who are swearing an oath on the new PCO. If Ch.Iftikhar is genuine he could start by apologising for swearing an oath on the PCO to begin with, but that is too much for his ego to take.
Re: 38 Superior Judges take oath under PCO
Even though I supported Musharraf initially.
These actions like sacking the Supreme Court has crossed all the red lines.
I want Musharraf to take on the extremists.
Why is he attacking the Supreme Court, political rivals, etc....
And this juncture, Musharraf is a failure.
He cannot take on the extremists, seen as a petty dictator, etc....
I am henceforth no longer a supporter of Musharraf
I want him gone
Glad to see you change your stance....well my friend doing extra judicial actions in the name of combating terrorism is never a viable option towards solving the problem...
If you study closely America secures their homland security and their actions at home strictly conform with legal requirements....As far as their strategy in Pakistan, Iraq or Afghanistan is concerned here they do not want to solve anything.....they just want to create a TV show for their voters at our expense....and mad people like Saddam, Mullah Omar, and Musharaf are just playing to their tones.....rationality is becoming a rare commodity>>>>
what we need today is a new face who can take new positions and engage our people from religious orientation in to meaningful dialogues (after all they are our own people).....stop army from under cover support of terrorist...and move towards real solutions both militarily and through negotiations>>>
Thus move towards real peace....We need to be away from any sort of news, good or bad, for a few years....
Re: 38 Superior Judges take oath under PCO
Infact, these new judges want to take the Judiciary to its righful place by looking after the 'Judiciary', and not diluting it with the working of the 'Legislator' and the 'Executive' as the former CJ had done.
Well the three institutions were working just fine, until the ex-CJ started playing politics and over-reached his constitutional bounds. When the Supreme Court basically ruled out any investigations of the corruption allegations of the ex-CJ, then that was proof that they believed they were above the law.
Re: 38 Superior Judges take oath under PCO
Reza, i haven't seen any protest/concern from you when Musharraf repeatedtly has overthrown the constitution.
CJ did not do anything against the constitution. Nothing at all.
While the detention of judges for being upright is what is against the constitution.
Re: 38 Superior Judges take oath under PCO
These 4 judges have been “promoted” from high courts and were not among the original 17.
Re: 38 Superior Judges take oath under PCO
These 4 judges have been "promoted" from high courts and were not among the original 17.
Just like a certain Ch.Iftikhar was promoted from the Quetta High Court to fill a vacancy on the Supreme Court - after he swore an oath on Musharraf's PCO of 2000 i.e. ignored the constitution.
Re: 38 Superior Judges take oath under PCO
^Its never too late to correct yourself.
Re: 38 Superior Judges take oath under PCO
^
:hehe: ok.
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?t=267769
**“I am not ashamed for taking oath under PCO” - Justice Ramday **
Re: 38 Superior Judges take oath under PCO
*"I am not ashamed for taking oath under PCO" - Justice Ramday *
However, he is ashamed of thers that do. Is that because on this occasion he has not been asked to. :)
Re: 38 Superior Judges take oath under PCO
Updated count of Judges that have now taken oath on new PCO.
*So 45 Superior Judges have now taken oath under the PCO. *
Almost 50% of the Superior Judges have now taken new PCO oaths - ignoring ex-CJ Iftikhar's orders. :)
Re: 38 Superior Judges take oath under PCO
Thats unprecedented in the history of Pakistan that more than 50% of judges have refused to take oath on PCO.
Though it won't make any difference but still this is a good thing.
Re: 38 Superior Judges take oath under PCO
Updated count of Judges that have now taken oath on new PCO.
*So 45 Superior Judges have now taken oath under the PCO. *
Almost 50% of the Superior Judges have now taken new PCO oaths - ignoring ex-CJ Iftikhar's orders. :)
so sindh high court and supreme court are the most indpeendent ones.
baluchistan is the least indpeendent minded. interesting read.
balochictan 100%
NWFP- 69%
Punjab- 58%
Sindh- 30%
SCP- 29%