37000 Iraqi civillians killed by US invasion!

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An Iraqi political group says more than 37,000 Iraqi civilians were killed between the start of the US-led invasion in March 2003 and October 2003.

The People’s Kifah, or Struggle against Hegemony, movement said in a statement that it carried out a detailed survey of Iraqi civilian fatalities during September and October 2003.

**Their calculation included deaths only among the Iraqi civilian population, and did not count losses sustained by the Iraqi military and paramilitary forces. **

The deputy general-secretary and spokesperson of the People’s Kifah Movement told Aljazeera.net he could vouch for the accuracy of the figure.

**“We are 100% sure that 37,000 civilian deaths is a correct estimate. Our study is the result of two months of hard work which involved hundreds of Iraqi activists and academics. Of course there may be deaths that were not reported to us, but the toll in any case could not be lower than our finding,” said Muhammad al-Ubaidi. **

“For the collation of our statistics we visited the most remote villages, spoke and coordinated with grave-diggers across Iraq, obtained information from hospitals, and spoke to thousands of witnesses who saw incidents in which Iraqi civilians were killed by US fire,” he said.

Detailed figures

Al-Ubaidi, a UK-based physiology professor, provided a detailed breakdown of the 37,000 civilian deaths for each governorate (excluding the Kurdish areas) relating to the period between March and October 2003:

Baghdad 6103
Mosul 2009
Basra 6734
Nasiriya 3581
Diwania 1567
Wasit 2494
Babil 3552
Karbala and Najaf 2263
Muthana 659
Misan 2741
Anbar 2172
Kirkuk 861
Salah al-Din 1797.

The People’s Kifah said the process of data gathering stopped after one of the group’s workers was arrested by Kurdish militias and handed over to US forces in October 2003. The fate of the worker remains shrouded in mystery to this day.
Iraq survey group say 37000 iraqi civillians killed since invasion!

37000 civillians killed ands this is the lowest figure and does not include iraqi miltary. The US loving fanatics will use the same old tired lines their warmaking heros use like Powell and Bush and say 37000 is not a number there terribly interested in.

Or how about former secretary of state madeline albright and her infamous statement about 1.5 million children dead as result of sanctions her words “1.5 million children dead its a price worth paying”

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Inna-Lillah-e-Wa-Inna-Ilaih-e-Rajioon…:flower1:

Makes you wonder, does it make it right to kill by a knife or a hellfire missile?

Only thing is, if a bomb aimed at the American soldiers kills some Iraqis, the mod-Muslim squad is up in arms against those that killed these innocents, but not a fart out of them when a Tomahawk rips open a whole neighbourhood killing 80 or 100 Iraqis…Just goes to show you how confused and totally bewildered these mod-Muslims are…

Mod-Muslims like to point out the extreme acts of ‘barbarism’ carried out by ‘terrorists’ in Kenya, NYC or the USS Cole in which a few Kuffar died, but they burrow deep into their own butts when we talk about Sabra and Shatila where 3 year old children were decapitated and pregnant mothers wombs were slit open…

They are so confused they are willing to die for the Kuffar, while not knowing that the Kuffar can spit them out faster than a man suffering from diarrhea and dysentery spews out crap…Case in point: Saddam and Chalabi…

The Kuffar have no scruples, the Kuffar have no shame and the Kuffar know no loyalty…The only thing that drives them is depressing greed which our mod-Muslims, confused as they are, take for an act of friendship…

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Wow, just like magic the numbers keep going up and up and up on thes casualty counts. Undoubtedly concerned Muslims will read this number, and not question it. This is how propaganda works.

The most generous “body count” to date has been through the Iraq Body count web site. They are seldom reliable, but here was my commentary on their “worst case” from another thread:

""No, once again, you need to actually read what you are quoting. Right there in the little print is says that UP TO 7350 (maximum number, funny how the minimum number disappears.) may have been killed during the period of “Major Combat”. Of that 7350, nearly 1200 are based on a survey of Iraqi hospitals where less than 30% were known to be women and children, yet ALL were presumed to be “civilians”. It is not known what the “normal death” rate absent combat would have been, nor how many of the 1,200 were really soldiers. (possibly as many as 900?).

Now each one of the “press reports” are subject to wide variance, as most of the “press reports” were done by interviewing Iraqi officials during a period of wartime. Could they have exaggerated their reports? yes, certainly. Could they have been FORCED to exaggerage their reports? Yes. Could as many as half of these “Civilians” have really been soldiers? Yes. Could many of these “deaths” have been the Fedyeen killing those that they thought were spies? How about how many were killed by Iraqi munitions?“”

A more responsible analysis was from the Project on Defense Alternatives:

On the Iraqi side: a review and analysis of the available evidence shows that approximately 11,000 - 15,000 Iraqis, combatants and noncombatants, were killed in the course of major combat actions. (Iraqi casualties incurred after 20 April are not included in this estimate). Of the total number of Iraqi fatalities during the relevant period, approximately 30 percent (or between 3,200 - 4,300) were noncombatant civilians – that is: civilians who did not take up arms.

Now how you get from 7,000 in the Iraq Body Count worst case, and 3,000 to 4,000 in the Defense Alternatives study to five to twelve times that number is absolutely amazing.

Yet Al-Jazeera published this “study” without so much as a line of analysis, or any critical comparison to other studies. Why? Muslim viewers appear to LIKE the idea that more of them have been killed! It keeps the fires of hate burning, through ignorance and propaganda…

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Amerikkans definetly don't have any scruples. 37000 not including iraqi military.

Imagine what the figure was if it was'nt the most conservative estimate.

No wonder the iraqis itching to kill a GI Joe everytime they see a green helmet or a flag bearing the stars and stripes.

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*Originally posted by ak47: *
Amerikkans definetly don't have any scruples. 37000 not including iraqi military.

Imagine what the figure was if it was'nt the most conservative estimate.

No wonder the iraqis itching to kill a GI Joe everytime they see a green helmet or a flag bearing the stars and stripes.
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You are the one without any scruples trying to pass this off as fact in your zeal to berate America. This is NOT the most conservative estimate, but rather a gross exaggeration. The 37,000 number is closer to the number of black Sudanese deaths at the hands of Arab militias. How about equal time for your outrage? Is it because black Muslims deaths are less tragic than Arab Muslims?

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ak, your 'outrage' at any Iraqi death cannot be taken seriously. You've shown that you care more about hurting America than helping Iraq, save your whines for someone else, perhaps those who suffered at the hands of Saddam.

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:rotfl:

The 37,000 figure will soon gain legend status in the net thanks to the cyberjihadis like ak. Just like the fake stories about the Jenin ‘massacre’ and the 80,000 dead in Kashmir or the other ridiculous claims.

Never mind the outrage in Sudan. Muslims killing Muslims = Collective Yawn for the cyberjihadis :rolleyes:

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Quite right, the only definitive thing is the 3000+ killed in the WTC. Rest is all rubbish because it is muslims killed. Right?

80,000 killed in Kashmir, never, the humane Indian army would never do such a thing. Pure propaganda. Oh yes, before I forget also saw pigs fly and cow jumped over the moon.

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the anti muslim ranting countinues.

Look at this you have your very own axis of evil on Guppshup you got the pro Israeli fanatics, you got the BJP and shiv sena fruitcakes and you got the Disgraced Amerikkans all joining hands to have a go at muslims.
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37000 civillians killed wow and no apolgies just more excuses and passing the buck as usual!

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*Originally posted by mawarid: *

Quite right, the only definitive thing is the 3000+ killed in the WTC. Rest is all rubbish because it is muslims killed. Right?
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How about the fact that the 9/11 attacks really happened and 3,000 people really died and it has been documented by independent and neutral sources.

The 37,000 thing is a claim by some random person.

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80,000 killed in Kashmir, never, the humane Indian army would never do such a thing.
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No, it means that the number 80,000 is a claim by the same people who say Jews did 9/11. The real number is less and all neutral sources blame both Indian troops and jihadis for killings. The real number also includes 10,000 plus jihadis who were despatched to jahannum ;)

No one doubts that innocent people were killed in US attack in Iraq. But by randomly throwing out bogus numbers, people like you and ak prove that you'd rather put out nonsense than argue with pertinent facts.

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So 10000 is a number acceptable to axis of evil but 37000 count done by the people on the ground is not. Talk about wierd !

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*Originally posted by ak47: *
So 10000 is a number acceptable to axis of evil but 37000 count done by the people on the ground is not. Talk about wierd !
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The 10,000 number is from the jihadi publications in your land of the pure which routinely advertise the "martyrs" list.

As to the so called people on the ground in Iraq, they are people with an axe to grind.

Besides, I didn't see anyone whine when Saddam killed 1 million people.

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*Originally posted by Talwar: *

The 10,000 number is from the jihadi publications in your land of the pure which routinely advertise the "martyrs" list.

As to the so called people on the ground in Iraq, they are people with an axe to grind.

Besides, I didn't see anyone whine when Saddam killed 1 million people.
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You avoided the question totally.

you accept one figure but reject another why shows hypocrisy.

Secondly the iraqi people have already shown there hatred for all things ameirkkan they have no extra axe to grind the US knows they are not wanted in Iraq.

And on your final ridiculous point. When saddam was killing thousands ur beloved US was applauding and supplied the chemical weapons that did the killing, Donald Rumsfield himself made golden handshake with Saddam in front of world media.

Hmmm 37000 civillians killed and this is only up to october 2003 what is the real figure up to mid 2004?