Re: 3 muslims gunned down in Chapel Hill. “Hate crime”
Anyway, this incident just proves how it was an extremely dangerous idea for some University to broadcast azaan from speakers, in a country like America.
Time for Muslims of America to start taking their security seriously.
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My guy? Seriously? Hareem clearly you have lost it…he is not my guy nor am I defending his actions. All I’m doing is pointing out facts which you find uncomfortable for some reason. You & all those screaming about hate crime clearly don’t understand the law. The “hate crime” is a federal statute & he has been charged with 3 counts of 1st degree murder in the state of NC (in the US court system is divided between state and federal). If convicted he will be executed. Tell me what is the relevance of adding lesser charge to murder charge? How would that make any diff? Please explain.
Re: 3 muslims gunned down in Chapel Hill. “Hate crime”
how? for being Muslims? yeah sure
Re: 3 muslims gunned down in Chapel Hill. “Hate crime”
‘Honest to God, he hates us for what we are,’ Chapel Hill victim reportedly said about shooter – The Express Tribune](This was a hate crime, says victims' father as thousands gather for slain Muslim students in Chapel Hill)
Chapel Hill shooting: My best friend was killed and I don’t know why – Fusion
Vigil at UNC Chapel Hill
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Sharmaz can continue to pretend it was over a parking dispute or that a parking dispute triggered this. The parking dispute angle is just BS to not push for a hate crime charge, as they can be extremely hard to prove unless there’s mountains of evidence…
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**The Chapel Hill Murders Should be a Wake up Call for Atheists
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On Tuesday evening, Craig Stephen Hicks murdered three young Muslims in Chapel Hill, North Carolina. The victims were a family: 23-year-old Deah Shaddy Barakat, his 21-year-old wife Yusor Mohammad, and her 19-year-old sister Razan Mohammad. Hicks has since turned himself in and has been charged with three counts of first degree murder. His motivation for the attack remains unclear.
But as details have begun to emerge about Hicks’s life prior to the murders, his antipathy toward religion has become increasingly clear. On his Facebook page, Hicks, 46, declared himself a supporter of “Atheists for Equality,” expressed his admiration for Richard Dawkins’s The God Delusion and Thomas Paine’s The Age of Reason, and condemned “radical” Christianity and Islam alike for their alleged ideological similarities.
Comparisons like those are easy to make, if you pick the right axis. For instance, America’s atheists might have more in common with American Muslims than Hicks seemed to believe. A 2014 Pew survey on American religious groups’ feelings about other religious cohorts found that Americans reserve their coldest feelings for atheists and Muslims, with atheists scoring an average of 41 degrees and Muslims an average of 40 on Pew’s feelings thermometer. A 2012 Gallup poll, meanwhile, found that Americans would prefer almost anyone for president to an atheist or a Muslim. When it came to views on other religions, the Pew survey showed that American atheists feel warmest toward religions with the least political presence in the United States, like Hinduism and Buddhism, and feel coldest toward Evangelical Christianity, Mormonism, and Islam— three faiths that regularly make the nightly news.
There is a distinction to be made between atheism in its pure sense, which describes anyone who does not believe in a god or gods, and New Atheism, the contemporary phenomenon of aggressive disbelief coupled with a persistent persecution narrative. Led by luminaries such as the late Christopher Hitchens and evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins, New Atheism takes as its core creed a species of Enlightenment liberalism that exalts reason and free inquiry, without bothering to define reason or to explain what is worthy of inquiry, and why. For a school of thought that presents itself as intellectually robust, it is philosophically bankrupt and evidently blind to its similarities to the religions it derides. Consider Richard Dawkins’s response to the Chapel Hill murders:
Dawkins takes the obviousness of his moral frame for granted; he doesn’t feel the need to offer an earnest denouncement of these murders because he does not honestly believe any person could view them as an outgrowth of a system decent people like him are a part of. But this is a persistent problem with the New Atheist movement: Because it is more critical of religion than introspective about its own moral commitments, it assumes there is broad agreement about what constitutes decency, common sense, and reason. Yet in doing so, New Atheism tends to simply baptize the opinions of young, educated white men as the obviously rational approach to complicated socio-political problems. Thus prejudice in its own ranks goes unnoticed.
In 2013, Pew found that American atheists are overwhelmingly young and male, with 38 percent between the ages of 18 and 29, and 67 percent male. Pew also found that atheists in America tend to be college educated at higher rates than the rest of the population, with some 43 percent of atheists holding a college degree, compared to 29 percent of the general population. Polling data gathered by the Atheist Census depicts an even more pronounced split when it comes to age and education, and shares conclusions with Pew on the gender makeup of American atheism, with roughly two-thirds of atheists identifying as male.
With numbers like these, it’s no surprise that the id of New Atheism tends toward ordaining modes of thought and expression that privilege educated white men. For Richard Dawkins, the fact that Islam is inherently violent is as obvious as the fact that everyone should believe as much. More telling yet are his other prejudices, expressed with equal certitude and impatience: that western feminists have no legitimate problems compared to women in Muslim majority countries; that good pornography would set theocracies aright, had we the magnanimity to bestow it upon them. Dawkins is joined in his convictions about Islam by other New Atheists like Sam Harris and Bill Maher. In each case, the assumed obviousness of Islam’s putative wrong-headedness is accompanied by a thoroughgoing persecution narrative, in which those few brave atheists willing to offend Muslims view themselves as crusaders for common sense.
And perhaps this is another parallel with the religious attitudes New Atheism takes as its target: Like any number of global faiths, New Atheism presumes its framework and considers its truth-claims to be either self-evident or demonstrable by whatever means it already assumes legitimate. Its id is a product of the cultural and political landscape in which the majority of its congregants find themselves, which is again true of the religions it nonetheless essentializes to particular texts, creeds, and dogmas. And, like any other religion, its adherents can take its reasoning too far, and cross the line into violence. New Atheists like Dawkins will point out that nothing in New Atheism necessitates violence, and that many principles of the movement directly oppose it; they should be used to this kind of statement by now, as it’s precisely the argument they encounter and dismiss time and time again when it issues from religious faiths.
Perhaps this will be a moment of reflection for the New Atheist movement and its adherents. If nothing else, the takeaway should be that no form of reasoning, however obvious to a particular cohort, has a monopoly on righteousness. And no ideology, supernatural or not, has a monopoly on evil.
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Re: 3 muslims gunned down in Chapel Hill. “Hate crime”
So you are certain prejudice did not play a role here?
Re: 3 muslims gunned down in Chapel Hill. “Hate crime”
@Shamraz_Khan @SindSagar He will pay for his crime ? I hope that situation is, as stated, but sometimes justice accountability depends upon the "color of the Chaaaamri " in US. I need to tell that, Raymond Davis killed two Pakistanies. US ambassador to pakistan, at that time, said , US department of Justice has opened the investigation into the incident. But we all know, he was never brought to Justice/trial. Later, Raymond was arrested in US , after a fight over a Car Parking issue. And that tells you the story. Why there is no call for Charlie bebdo style anti-terrori marches , as 3 Muslims shot dead in US? Cz victims are muslims? Hypocrisy at its best. And still these guys are arguing over motive. It is not a rocket science to understand that this incident is a “hate crime”.
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dumb people need to realize their dumb#$$ness. Reading one book by holy trinity(Dwakins, Harris, Hitchesn) does not make any one a genus.
Those authors or what not: I always had issue with them, all their job is disprove God. What they do instead, go in great length in politics to show they are right.
What the hell… just to sell your book, make your presentation longer… you train people to hate…
Harris says: they should do nuclear strike and kill all the muslims.
Hetchens : supported iraq war.
seriously ???
Even Dawkins says “I can not say there is no God”… well then shut up and leave the mic.
Dont mess with peoples mind, people who put their trust in you..
What a funny business this atheism is…
Re: 3 muslims gunned down in Chapel Hill. “Hate crime”
so which charge is harder to prove/obtain conviction and which carries a more serious punishment? hate crime or 1st degree murder?
someone on FB was saying that the crime may be attributed to movies like American Sniper…
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It was on front page at CNN and huffpo. It might have not been on foxnews but then they are neocon proselytizers.
Re: 3 muslims gunned down in Chapel Hill. “Hate crime”
Look at ISIS, boko haram, AQ etc and then ask what happened to all the political mileage for muslims?
These right wing groups actually want muslims to be alienated so their recruitment goes up, but why do muslims allow them to flourish? If you don’t take charge of your own destiny, then expect no one to do so. This is not paradise!
To that point about alienation. there as this british? guy on Bill Maher’s show last week and he said that the reason cited by ex-jihadis in UK was the fact that their white compatriots weren’t what the so-called jihadists made them out to be. But I am a realist and know that bad things happen when push comes to shove. Jews found that out the hard way in holocaust.
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Good to know you justify the killing of innocents.
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Umm I was talking about political mileage and why there isn’t much outrage in the west.
Good to know that a supposedly UN worker doesn’t get the nuances in real life.
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When you make assumption out of your socks… your conclusion goes back into your socks…
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I wonder how people miss this real low level causes of such crimes and try to translate every thing in “big picture” scenario..
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Which country?
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Oh yes, they use karl marx, lenin and mao as their inspiration? As they say in urdu, kabootar ki tarha ankhain band karnay say mushkil hat nahin jaati.
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usa
Re: 3 muslims gunned down in Chapel Hill. “Hate crime”
More than anything else, I really hope that these brutal murders of three innocent Muslims - who were valuable members of the society - teaches an extremely important lesson to all those self hating Muslims who love to generalise and stereotype all innocent Muslims as evil enemy within and outside. They may not realise but their irresponsible and knee jerk generalisations and stereotyping actually places innocent Muslims’ safety at great risk. Yes, go around saying “we the Muslims, all the Muslims - yes all of us - are terrorists, Hitler lovers, racists, murderers”, but then don’t be surprised when next time you or your children one day find themselves at the receiving end of the most violent, most abhorrent form of racism because some white terrorist in US with a gun decides to believe in all those dehumanising anti Muslim generalisations and in his head thought ‘yes you are a Muslim, you are a terrorist, you are an extremist, you love Hitler, you are a racist’ and I will get rid of you.
It’s easy to sit back and demonise all Muslims in the name of ‘self reflection’ and think just because you are a Muslim, you have a God given right to talk smack about all the Muslims and act like their spokesperson, but do fear the day when you or your child (God forbid) becomes the target of the same hate and prejudice propagated by crass generalisations.
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Jesus Christ
