2nd Test - Nov 19 @ Multan Pak - W.Indies

Match start time is not clear and I guess the point of daylight saving matter would be in serious contention due to fading light and long evening shadows towards the end of each day.
**However we can assume it to be @ 0955 pst. **

Last Test Match @ Multan Stadium Pak vs Eng where Inzi insisted that the top grass from the wicket should be taken off and paid heavy price for his naiveness. I hope he is in better frame of mind this time around.

Interesting read from the archives;
1997-98
Cricinfo | Wisden Almanack
West Indies’ sixth Test series in Pakistan was an unqualified disaster. The team’s gradual decline from their previous high standards accelerated into freefall and they lost all three Tests by embarrassingly wide margins. Not since their first ever series, in England in 1928, had West Indies experienced such a thorough whitewash. Then, they lost all three matches by an innings. Nearly 70 years later, they came within 12 runs of a similar humiliation. If the manner and extent of Pakistan’s victories - the first two by an innings, the third by ten wickets - shocked the cricketing world, they were not altogether surprising to close followers of Courtney Walsh’s team. All that was needed was opposition of the right calibre to expose and capitalise upon their inconsistency, indiscipline and complacency.
Tests: Pakistan 3 West Indies 0
**ODIs: Pakistan 2 West Indies **

Ps; ^ ODIs: is not correct and is as posted by cricinfo, please correct if you know the West Indies wins on that occassion.

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Re: 2nd Test - Nov 19 @ Multan Pak - W.Indies

Interesting facts on Multan Stadium:

Since it is a small ground we should see a high scoring match. Lets see if INZI or Lara score a big one here!

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I would only like to see one change in the team. Samiullah Niazi in for Razzaq. We need to beef up our bowling. We were lucky to have Nazir and Gul peform wonderfully well but that is not gonna happen in every test match. We need another wicket taking bowling except those 2 since Danish doesnt seem to be in any great form, even on a wicket which was tailor made for him, and Razzaq...well he was useless like he has been most of the time as a bowler in test matches recently, and he did nothing with the bat as well.

Razzaq is not test material, even though I still remember how he and Akmal saved that test match but we need consistent performers. Its about time Samiullah get his chance. But due to lack of aggressive intent which we have seen from Inzi, I doubt they will change a winning combination.

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^We got the breakthru and Lara's wicket once Inzi left the field and Younis brought in Hafeez, otherwise Inzi would have used the same bowlers over and over again.

If Inzi doesn't replace Razzaq, he is the dumbest captain in world cricket.

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I don't see any thing wrong with Razak. Its just that the Captain should be wise and thinking to utilize him properly. I cannot imagine Razak as a 'flat out' bowler the way Inzi used him in the past Test match. Its crazy realy !

Kudos to Younis Praa !

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What else can Razzaq do, you want Razzaq to open with new ball? Then what use is Shahid Nazir.

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I have been saying this for last four years. Do not play Razzaq in test matches. He shines in every 15th test and that is not what is expected from a test allrounder. Infact Hafeez, Malik and Farhat are providing good enough batting allrounders. We need a specialist bowler to back Gul/Nazir up. Razzaq cannot do that on a regular basis. Razzaq should be kept for ODIs only, that's his arena.

Lara plays spin really well and giving a LHB a leggy is not a wise idea. A variety of top spin and sharp off break is what we are looking for, incase of Lara. Plus Waqar must tell Gul to use yorkers effectively on Lara, he is prune to get LBW on a surprise yorker.

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Who do you think they should replace Razak with?

With regards to Mr Inzmam - isn't that the case already?

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Razzaq should play, he is not one-dimensional player. If not with bat, he can make the contribution with ball. Well rounded all-rounder with experience. I do not expect any changes for second test, the bowlers did very well. I altough would like to see Yasir Hameed in for Farhat.

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They will probably give another chance to the crappy Farhat. If he fails in this test than he will be replaced by Hameed. Howver, if he scores a 50 in either innings than I can see him keeping his place in the side..........

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They should try a specialist bowler in place of Razzaq and Yasir in place of Farhat. Nto because Razzaq is a failure but because we need to give players like Samiullah a chance...What if he can help limit the score then that compensates for the reduction in batting...
But these are pipe dreams...I would be happily surprised to see the change!

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Thats like a dream come true. Hope for the best. :k:

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You guys know anything about cricket? You really think Razzaq is a wicket taking bowler or contain batsman or score more than 30 runs himself. You think Pakistan can get 20 wickets with just Umar Gul and Shahid Nazir again, cuz Kaneria is terrible these days. You need at least 4 specialist bowlers in test cricket, but Inzi is a dumb @$$, he will probably include even more batsman this test.

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All guppies who think Inzi is a D**** captain, I don't agree and you guys are being a bit harsh on him. I think his record speaks for it self (test/Odi's), only thing that sets him apart (in bad way) is communication skills, and not making decision swiftly.

Pakistan has the upper hand and they are at liberty to experiment; switch out someone for Razzy (bowler/batsman). Since we have two all-rounders (malik and hafeez) to bowl few off-spin here and there, Spin bowler or an extra batsman, either way having an upper hand early in the series gives you more flexibility, so why not use it?

Samiullah, well the weather in Pakistan permits, that he should be included in the team but as for wicket of Multan is not the best place for a pace bowler play a test, having another spin bowler, well that will be a wise choice (A. Rehman) and there is no harm in going 6-4-1

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***^ Yeh bohat he buri baat hai, humay appnay qaomi heros ko es tarah say nahi zaleel kerna chaye,chahay hum kitnay he ziayada seeianay keun na houn,bohat buri baat hai yeh. ***
***Inzimam our WC-92 Hero Zindabaad :jhanda: ***

2nd test pakistan vs west indies preview

The good news is that it isn't as dusty as it often is in Multan. The bad news is that it is considerably colder, the clouds looked threatening in the morning and locals mutter that rain is not far away. If conditions remain similar overnight, a result might not be far away either as Pakistan and West Indies begin the second Test on Sunday.

The weather means a trend might be bucked tomorrow morning; in four Tests so far at this ground, the side winning the toss has always chosen to bat but in helpful conditions, both captains will fancy a punt on fielding first. Brian Lara's decision to bat first in Lahore, amidst similar murk and cloud, backfired within the first hour and ultimately cost the Test. It didn't help when Bob Woolmer later admitted Pakistan would probably have fielded first.

That was another Test, another venue, another surface. Thankfully, the 22-yard strip of brown didn't attract undue attention from either side; drier than Lahore, but more conducive to batting was the general consensus and possibly easier to read. Anyway, Lara acknowledged, poor batting on any surface never helps the cause. "I didn't read the pitch well at Lahore and it lasted a little longer than I thought. Getting out for 206 on the first day at Lahore was not on and the guys fully understand that we played some poor shots.

"We didn't give the bowlers the situation they needed to ensure that we were competitive. That was unfortunate, but that's now behind us and we are looking forward to Multan. We're still trying to win the series and for that, we have to win this Test."

As ever, few poor shots came off the captain's bat and support from the rest would not have been such a bad thing. Lara's would have been a lone hand at Lahore had he not been supported, not for the first time, by Shivnarine Chanderpaul's typically unobtrusive second innings 81. And as quietly as he goes about his run-making, so too do his landmarks slip in; Multan will be, to many people's surprise no doubt, his 100th Test.

If you look hard, it's been some career too: over 6000 runs, a respectable mid-40s average and 14 hundreds, some of which, like the 70-ball hundred against Australia at Guyana, speak of a rich and rare quality. Last week's fifty was a more sedate effort, due in some part undoubtedly to the food poisoning that has troubled him since his arrival.

That might yet rule him out of this Test, though Lara, understandably, hopes that he will play. "He is still getting over and we expect him to join us in the middle tomorrow. He's been able to play and still perform well and he is feeling a lot better now, but he is not 100 per cent. I know he wants to play in his 100th Test match and hopefully he should be fine."

The last time West Indies visited Pakistan, they were wiped out three-nil and a most comprehensive result it was too, two Tests won by an innings and a third by ten wickets. A fourth successive heavy defeat in Pakistan makes a less than promising forecast this time round, but there is an altogether different feel to this side than the disjointed, rancorous one led by Courtney Walsh.

Inzamam-ul-Haq knows it too. Asked to compare this batch of tourists to the class of '97, Inzamam said immediately, "This team is more united. Their recent performances are also very good, especially in ODIs and they play better, more aggressive cricket. They are a good side and we have to be on our toes against them. The series is still not over though we want to do that here."

They are well-placed to attempt it at least and a buoyant practice session in the morning confirmed that home is where they appear the happiest. Pre-series talk of the struggle without Shoaib Akhtar and Mohammad Asif has receded, to the extent that they may consider unearthing an appropriate replacement in Samiullah Khan Niazi here. Inzamam, a man not prone to giving away much, was unusually suggestive about it during the press conference: "It depends on the conditions but we might go in with a specialist fast bowler or spinner." As it does in these situations, the axe will fall on an allrounder and fifties from Mohammad Hafeez and Shoaib Malik seem to say it might be Abdul Razzaq who misses out.

Other than that, it is much as you were. No answer emerged to the opening problem at Lahore. For stability's sake, rather than his performances, Imran Farhat will likely remain but the ice he is skating on is swiftly thinning and Yasir Hameed is waiting. More of the same will be expected from Umar Gul and Shahid Nazir as well, Inzamam keen that they do not rest on the laurels of one fine performance. "We should be consistent in our performances as a team and the bowlers should know that one Test win is not enough. Gul and Nazir have to keep performing well."

Squads (probable):

Pakistan: 1 Imran Farhat, 2 Mohammad Hafeez, 3 Younis Khan, 4 Inzamam-ul-Haq (capt), 5 Mohammad Yousuf, 6 Shoaib Malik, 7 Kamran Akmal (wk), 8 Shahid Nazir, 9 Umar Gul, 10 Danish Kaneria, 11 Samiullah Khan Niazi

West Indies: 1 Chris Gayle, 2 Darren Ganga, 3 Ramnaresh Sarwan, 4 Brian Lara (capt), 5 Shivnarine Chanderpaul, 6 Dwayne Bravo, 7 Denesh Ramdin (wk), 8 Dave Mohammed, 9 Jerome Taylor, 10 Fidel Edwards, 11 Corey Collymore

Osman Samiuddin is Pakistan editor of Cricinfo

© Cricinfo

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If its overcast in the morning till 2PM, then Pakistan must play Samiullah for Razzaq. If toss permits, field first and get 6/7 wickets in seaming/swing conditions.

Re: 2nd test pakistan vs west indies preview

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I will totally support the line up proposed in Osman article. This is important to bring Samiullah Niazi for Razzaq for three reasons:
1. Overcast conditions will help use Samiullah more effectively than Razzaq.
2. Batting is clicking at the moment with Hafeez, Yousaf, Malik, Akmal good scores, so may not need a depth to number 8th. If overcast conditions help fail top 7 then probability is there to fail 8, so no need to keep so much depth.
3. Pak need a wicket tacker fast bowler for back up, in this case Samiullah could provide a strike bowler and Nazir could be a back up. It will also allow Pakistan to pressure WI and they could seal the series.

I personally don't agree with the crazy idea of announcing 15 players for two test matches in a home series, when domestic season is in progress. I would rather announce 13 players for each test and only few days before the match, so that I could allow maximum number of players to play domestic cricket and at the same time will keep the opposition guessing about the wicket.

If Pakistan wasn't announcing 14/15 players for two test, at present based on Pakistan team performance and domestic season form, I would have brought in Sami for Razzaq, because of his pace and decent batting skills, or if I was playing safe, I would have brought in Naveed ul Hassan, he is more of a bowling alrounder, especially with his 5 wickets and 124 runs in a recent match.

This strategy will also allow Yasir Hameed and others to get match practice, since they are not needed for the game.

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Looks like Pak is sticking with Razaaq and not going to play Sammiullah (according to jang )to keep the winning combination. I am disappointed since i have been looking forward to watch this new kid Sammiullah!