28th May - Yom-e-Takbeer

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To put in in perspective, Pakistan saw a greater significance of nuclear power pre-dhamaka, than it did post-dhamaka.

In the 70s, Pakistan setup KANNUP with Canadian help, and when sanctions forced Canada to pull out, Pakistani engineers built PARR, Khushab nuclear complex indigenously. Those were the days of realistic and meaningful efforts in the nuclear field.

In the past 20 odd years, there has been virtually no advancement, and all we have are small copies of 40 year old designs propping up in the form of Khushab 2, 3, 4 and so on, which add next to nothing to the grid.

Nuclear power is not known for its ability to blow up cities to smithereens. Its known for the value that is extracted from it, which helps people. Back in the 80s, Karachi was loadshedding free, while the rest of the country used to suffer an unbearable 1 hour a day outage. 30 years on, and despite atum bum, we have nothing to show for it, other than a petty youme takbeer.

And no, its not about PMLN, because other than being the party in power at the time, PMLN or Nwaz Sharif had nothing to do with the blasts.

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You are right about KANUP and Canadians, things were going fine and Pakistan was also negotiating a nuclear deal with France where France pulled out of it on pressure from USA.

And you are also right when you say Civil Nuclear is better than the one for defense purposes...

We should not forget two things here:
1st while civil nuclear deals were going on, India did " Smiling Buddha" in May 1974, 3 years after defeating and cutting Pakistan in half...this should certainly alarm Pakistan, 2ndly, in Zia era, more focus was on defense than on civil development, hence we saw no development or next to nothing development in civil sector of Pakistan during Zia time...

Most importanrtly, i would like to stress that it was the nuclear technology of Pakistan which kept a million men of india at the borders...so yeah it saved us a bloodiest possible war...which in itself is a blessing.

With all this, civil nuclear development along with Space program should be the priorties of Pakistan under the same Atomic and Space Commission.

Thanks for clarification and yes i do agree that NS got the credit because he was in power, it could have been any xyz...thats thr reason in the OP i wrote it as Pakistan's success rather attributing to a single personality...gave credit to all the rulers of Pakistan...not to one...
It was "Rah Chaldi Dee Dehari" and thats about it...

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Cut down on arms and nukes:

A message to
INDIANS AND PAKISTANIS…
For centuries Germans and French hated each other and waged wars upon each other. Their intense mutual hatred was the main factor behind the ww1 and ww2. They killed, slaughtered and butchered 100s of 1000s of each other’s soldiers and civilians, and almost bombed each other out of existence. Nobody hated anyone as much they did to each other.
but…
After all the killings, slaughter, butchery and savagery in both world wars and in the wars before they came to the ultimate realisation that their financial survival was in co-operation rather than in confrontation. They are now the main architects of EU (European UNION). Every change that you see in Europe today from a single currency to disappearing borders is the result of these two countries’ relentless efforts, and their determination to come together, work together and help merge the entire Europe into one unit.
my dear Indians and Pakistanis, your future, your financial stability and your prosperity depend on your ability to break down the barriers, bridge the gaps and work as a team. Your cooperation will change the fate of both countries and the fate of the entire region as well.
FOLLOW THE EUROPEAN UNION.
Zulfiqar Tareen, a friend of all, the enemy of none.

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Still can't shoot down a drone which violates sovereignty. Iran did it and nothing happened.
Pakistani military showing cowardice in that matter. You're a nuclear power, shoot it down! NOTHING will happen other than USA will stop it because it will make them lose face. There is NO way they will force a war on Pakistan with Russia/China this close and ready

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**The kind of stupidity that makes me cringe, and why I am more embarrassed than proud, of youm-e-takbeer..

**Pakistan nukes can ‘target’ Delhi in 5 minutes, Qadeer Khan says.
Seems like Dr. Qadeer has cleared grade 6 and just hit early puberty.

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^ great joke in above post is India would never attacks us because of international laws, even if we were not nuclear power.

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Pakistan is a nuclear power yet there at least 6 different countries waging 6 different proxy wars in its territory. (So much for the Item Bum making you 'secure'?).

On the other hand we have a country like Iran who despite swearing enmity to two of world's most destructive giants (Saudi and USA) and having much less military expenditure compare to other countries in the region is way more sovereign and safe than a nuclear armed Pakistan.

Can either US, Saudi, UK, Israel, Afghanistan or even Pakistan dare wreck havoc in present day Iran through proxies or otherwise?

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Ok, can you elaborate further? I do agree but whose job is it to protect the borders? Do they need parliamentary resolutions (there have been ones in PPP time against 'border violations') when IAF does one in punjab?

I want to see if your family background allows you to be objective about the military.

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I've only started warming up to Raheel Sharif because I think he is genuinely trying to put things right, and has been fairly successful with whatever personal touches he is adding to the strategy. Otherwise I didn't give two shts about either Musharraf or Kiyani.

But it is absolutely true, that the way Iran has guarded its borders despite a crippled economy, weak military and virtually the whole world against them puts Pakistan military to a great shame.

Good for Iranians to see themselves as a great ancient nation with glorious history and rich culture, and not giving monkey's about Muslim ummah - evident by the way they'd kept Pakistan at way, and the way they had dealt with Afghan refugees.

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RH could not shoot down a drone so yeah all that so-called good publicity went out the window, people are now saying he is just like any other general. Few more months and then a new puppet of usa will come along to rule.
Raheel Shareed, who could not shoot a drone down. Bravo general, guess u gonna get those usa residency now eh

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What people don't get is why would he shoot down the drone? It was reported many years ago that PAF had a coordination center with US in islamabad for just such purposes. Perhaps, balochistan was a 'surprise' but you let the cat out of the bag. Iran would shoot down the drone (no understanding) hence you see that they were following him from Iran but did the strike when he entered Pakistan.