fighter aircraft taking part in the attack has been confirmed from different sources (check yesterdays news on almost all major outlets)
there can be only two possibilities here
1) Air support was requested by USA/ NATO when those soldiers opened fire on attacking helicopters with their ordinary light weapons, because they were not equipped with MANPADS.
2) those fighter aircraft(s?) were given the their target in advance and coordinated with the helicopters from the start.
it cannot be a mistake because the two outpost attacked are almost 1KM apart from each other, both of these were recently set up after the crossborder attacks brom the TTP terrorists who had earlier escaped to Afghanistan under US/NATO protection. remember the airlifting of TTP assets by NATO from Swat just before they were about to be captured?
i can think of only two possible scenarios at the moment
1) this was agreed by top civilian and military leaders with the US, to shift focus from memo thing
2) this was an air-cover provided to the TTP (or alike) terrorists by NATO/US to enter in Mohmand Agency once again from where defeated and pushed back to Afghanistan their primary training ground and the place where they always retreat.
at the very least COAS and Air Chief must resign and face the courts for their incompetence.
^ no - this is not for but a result of backstabbing Americans. once the double game is exposed, Americans are not taking ANY chances. and that's sad because of this sort of catastrophic mis-hits
Who is back stabbing who, are the Americans angle, are they not talking to Taliban and supporting acts of sabotage in Pakistan? This seems to me to be a deliberate act by NATO.
it cannot be a mistake because the two outpost attacked are almost 1KM apart from each other, both of these were recently set up after the crossborder attacks brom the TTP terrorists who had earlier escaped to Afghanistan under US/NATO protection. remember the airlifting of TTP assets by NATO from Swat just before they were about to be captured?
i can think of only two possible scenarios at the moment
1) this was agreed by top civilian and military leaders with the US, to shift focus from memo thing
2) this was an air-cover provided to the TTP (or alike) terrorists by NATO/US to enter in Mohmand Agency once again from where defeated and pushed back to Afghanistan their primary training ground and the place where they always retreat.
at the very least COAS and Air Chief must resign and face the courts for their incompetence.
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Well I have never heard of the swat airlift, have you got some source for that. If something like that happened it would have been with the help of our army and in that case we have no right to demand the Americans to take care of them now while they the are in Afghanistan.
^ and the check post is located 2.5 km inside of the border.
yes missed that that...
it was no way a mistake or a hot pursuit, it was a planned attack and they knew there is no anti aircraft arrangements on those posts. even the GPS coordinates/ map references were provided to NATO/USA when last time they claimed that they have hit a post by mistake and two soldiers were martyred then.
so the GPS coordinates provided to them by us are used against us! this is plain ghaddari on part of Army/Air Force generals, I cannot think of what lower cadre military men would be thinking of their leadership right now, this is humiliating
This could also be a warning shot from Americans to beat the army brass into complete submission by showing them their auqat and in the other hand hinting to them what will happen if they don't take care of haqqani network themselves.
Secondly it's mind boggling for me that the Americans didn't carry out any operation against the ttp holed up in eastern Afghanistan, and now when Pakistan had set up its posts to control those miscreants the Americans have blown them away. What the Americans want to achieve and show they themselves will know or our army top brass. The soldiers on the front line are just cannon fodder for the Americans as well as our army.
Are you kidding? An army chief and the govt conspired to kill their own soldiers? Thats beyond cynical.
why is that? expect anything from these traitors...
what stopped them from engaging the attackers? a couple of JF17s positioned at Peshawar could have easily taken care of those helicopters even before the those aircraft could reach that location from Jalalabad or Bagram. They were simply not given a go, its as simple as that, they were either part of it or they were again sleeping. in both cases I blame Kiyani and Rao Suleman for this treason and/or incompetence more than zardari
Here is what Pakistan should do (keeping in mind that we don't have too many options). 1) Demand full investigation & the responsible parties be brought to justice, 2) refuse to left NATO blockade unless condition one is met. 3) Tell the US that any aircraft maned or unmanned violating Pakistani airspace will be shot down. 4) booted out CIA/Intel people from Pakistan.
Well I have never heard of the swat airlift, have you got some source for that. If something like that happened it would have been with the help of our army and in that case we have no right to demand the Americans to take care of them now while they the are in Afghanistan.
you may not be following the news that time, it was all over the news, 2 NATO chopper came in, "arrested" (read protected) some "terrorists" (read their own TTP assets). also have not heard about NATO vacating their border posts letting terrorists flee to afghanistan when Army launched operation in FATA?
Here is what Pakistan should do (keeping in mind that we don't have too many options). 1) Demand full investigation & the responsible parties be brought to justice, 2) refuse to left NATO blockade unless condition one is met. 3) Tell the US that any aircraft maned or unmanned violating Pakistani airspace will be shot down. 4) booted out CIA/Intel people from Pakistan.
They should also acknowledge their crime and pay the families of the 25 soldiers. as you said the parties involved should be brought to justice, till than the NATO blockade should continue.
Here is what Pakistan should do (keeping in mind that we don't have too many options). 1) Demand full investigation & the responsible parties be brought to justice, 2) refuse to left NATO blockade unless condition one is met. 3) Tell the US that any aircraft maned or unmanned violating Pakistani airspace will be shot down. 4) booted out CIA/Intel people from Pakistan.
If all above is to be implemented, why did US need Kiyani as COA?
Here is what Pakistan should do (keeping in mind that we don't have too many options). 1) Demand full investigation & the responsible parties be brought to justice, 2) refuse to left NATO blockade unless condition one is met. 3) Tell the US that any aircraft maned or unmanned violating Pakistani airspace will be shot down. 4) booted out CIA/Intel people from Pakistan.
so you are saying we should resume the supply : s
i say we should, but only one way, and that is the way out of their to-be-graveyard, and back to US.
why is that? expect anything from these traitors...
what stopped them from engaging the attackers? a couple of JF17s positioned at Peshawar could have easily taken care of those helicopters even before the those aircraft could reach that location from Jalalabad or Bagram. They were simply not given a go, its as simple as that, they were either part of it or they were again sleeping. in both cases I blame Kiyani and Rao Suleman for this treason and/or incompetence more than zardari
I believe the army top brass hasn't given any orders to counter the flights from our western borders. We have voluntarily surrendered our sovereignty to the Americans, it's easy to see the the Americans have been targeting locations within Mohmand. Was that also breach of sovereignty or not? After the bin Ladin raid some politicians raised the question to our army command as to why the drones are not shot down the army chief replied that would be an act of war. This is the exact reason why Americans got away with this hit. This is not the first one and I think it won't be the last one as well.
They should also acknowledge their crime and pay the families of the 25 soldiers. as you said the parties involved should be brought to justice, till than the NATO blockade should continue.
Mark my word, and i would love it if i stand wrong here, nothing will happen, the blockade will be lifted in next few days after a formal apology and on a promise that there will be investigation, today the Finance minister have already said that lets not go for strict action....
They should also acknowledge their crime and pay the families of the 25 soldiers. as you said the parties involved should be brought to justice, till than the NATO blockade should continue.
Yes, that, too, but I doubt if the govt/army will do any of the above mentioned things. As someone pointed out they all work for the same people...USA. And the only thing they care about is $$$ not people of the country.
They should also acknowledge their crime and pay the families of the 25 soldiers. as you said the parties involved should be brought to justice, till than the NATO blockade should continue.
i say no blood money from US at all. its Pakistani Govt/ Army who should pay to the families of those martyred soldiers who let down their lives for the country. remember what taking blood money in raymond davis case has done to our self respect.
US/NATO should be charged for the damaged they have made to Pakistan's roads network
Legally, under international law, you cannot block landlocked country's access to sea, and the supplies maybe going to NATO/US, but its still going to Afghanistan.
Legally, under international law, you cannot block landlocked country's access to sea, and the supplies maybe going to NATO/US, but its still going to Afghanistan.
and under the same law it is perfectly legal to cross border and attack the posts and kill army men of the country which is your only route to sea???