25 injured in Hindu-Muslim clash

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25 injured in Hindu-Muslim clash

HYDERABAD: Indian police fired in the air and used batons on Thursday to disperse rioting groups of Hindus and Muslims who had clashed over a razed mosque in southern India, wounding at least 25, police said.

A group of Muslims had set municipal vehicles on fire and stoned houses of local politicians from the ruling Congress party after a mosque in the town of Tadipatri was demolished to make way for a new highway, said local police chief Stephan Ravindra.

Hindu Congress supporters retaliated, throwing two small homemade bombs at the Muslim mob before police intervened by firing five shots in the air and charging the crowd with batons, Ravindra said. At least 25 people were injured, some of them in the clashes and some when police charged the rioters, he said. AP

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Is it that common for the Hindu government to demolish Masjids whenever they feel like it to build anything else over them?

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Oh sure.. U better ask the christian congress chief minister who is ruling the state. I bet that these muslims had voted for the congress party in the last election to keep the bjp out ( thats a good decision, i agree). There would have been a reason for YSR to do this.

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Thank God for Pakistan.

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If I were a neutral foreigner, then on reading this news article, I would make the following conclusions :

  1. Muslims are a powerful and vocal minority in India. Upon the demolition of an illegal road-side mosque, they went out and burnt public buses, stoned the houses of Hindu politicians and rioted.

  2. They have demonstrated that they expect the government to restore their mosque and uphold what they think is their right.

  3. Points 1 and 2 mean they are integrated into Indian society fully, and LIVE OPENLY WITHOUT FEAR.

Now Hindus in Pakistan could merely sit and watch when there were reports (true or false) of a temple demolition in Lahore. It was supposedly Lahore’s last temple.

Can you imagine Hindus rioting around in Pakistan, burning buses and attacking the houses of MMA politicians ?

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Didn't the current chief minister of andhra pradesh also did similar things to temples belonging to hindus?

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[quote]
3) Points 1 and 2 mean they are integrated into Indian society fully, and LIVE OPENLY WITHOUT FEAR.
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If a minority agitated is a minority "fully integrated in society, and living openly without fear" then Palestinians are the freest minority in Israel.

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Well Palestinians don't live in Israel, and Palestine and Israel are separated. But I can say that Arab citizens of Israel are one of the most developed in the Middle-East. They are financially well-off and enjoy more civil rights than some of their Arab neighbours (especially women).

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i hail from same place they demolished durgha not mosque in road widening process, they also demolished a temple but noone hesitated when it comes to mosque it attracted internationaly

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Are you kidding? Palestine and Israel are separated? Go to a map, look at Palestinian lands, see where the Israeli settlements are and where the roads are, they're is no separation, they dissect and separate several lands of Palestine to control them, ever heard of the road blocks, and of course Israel is gonna be well off, u have any idea how much aide they get from the U.S...I think any country would be well off and prospering when they get that much aide, more than every other country combined, you should look at the difference between Israeli land and Palestinian land...and just because they are separated doesnt mean anything Israel is constantly controlling Palestinians in every aspect of life, the water, power, facilities, its amazing, i have not seen this kind of oppression anyway, but hey they are Israeli and Jewish there for immune from doing anything wrong, I mean they had the holocaust, its impossible!

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I do not know why Indians do not accept the fact that Muslims in India are nothing but second class citizens.

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^ because of the simple reason that its not the fact. We have been living there we had good friends in muslims. We face the same problems that they face. If muslims are second class citizen then 80% indians are also second class citizen irrespective of their religion,caste or political affiliations.

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I am making the statement after reading the facts. It is a fact that communal riots against Muslims are common in India. There are about 249 riots per year according to India government statistics. More than fifty percent Muslims in India are leading their life below the poverty line as compared to thirty-five percent of Hindus. This is the main result of discrimination against the community.

There are very few Muslims in government jobs. Can you tell me how many Muslim police chiefs are in India’s 591 districts?

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There are caste riots, hindu christian clashes, political clashes and riots. 60 years of active reservation for untouchables didnt manage to bring all of them up in the economic ladder. They are still far under represented in indian services. U only look at the muslim numbers because ur interest lies only in muslims rather than indian in totality. I know the numbers but these numbers are asked to be brought up by the indians as well and most of them hindus. If we didnt care about the plight of muslims why would we sanction such a survey.
Muslims actively participate in indian democracy, i think they are the only group to participate whole heartedly because of the rise of right wing in indian politics. The fault lies in the people they sent them up to the center. Lalloos and mulayams are only interested in keeping their vote bank and their bank balance intact rather then actual welfare of muslims. Proper schools in these area proper teaching would go a long way in getting them out of the rugg. But these idiots are unpud themselves then what are they going to do for muslims. India is what its citizen makes it to be. If muslims decide that they need a change they will get the change. Its not a theocratic society. I always like to bring forward the case of christians. only 3% of the population but they are more than represented in indian police military and civil service, without any reservation. Why answer me that. They are also clashes between christians and hindus and christians and muslims in some parts. But why are they so unlike muslims.
In kerala where also they under represented even when the whole state is cent percent literate there is crucial factor that they forgot to take into consideration All the muslim families i know have atleast 1 memeber in Gulf countries. Why would anyone want to join a state govt job and get a paltry sum for the gulf job getting payed 4 to 5 times higher. Let me add to that..its easy for the muslim to get into gulf country than a hindu . Most of the advertisement that comes up in news paper says, only non hindus need to apply. :)

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You wrote an entire paragraph but did not answer my single question, why is it so hard for an Indian to understand that Muslims are nothing but second class citizen in the country? This thread is about Muslims-Hindu clash that is why I brought up the issue of Muslims.

You are right that there are untouchables and other castes and religious minorities in India that are also underrepresented and discriminated on daily basis. I can understand a totalitarian country having this kind of statistic but why India? I am not saying that Indians want that but the fact of the matter is leaders, religious and political, can not be held accounted for and it is shame for India. How can you represent yourself in Indian democracy? Vote, they are doing that for decades and things only remain the same.

It is interesting that you brought the Christian matter because I always thought that Christians are persecuted there in greater numbers than just about any other country. The other issue is about Muslims in Gulf is a non-matter. Those are business that is their priorities who and what they hire, how can a government of other country tell them to carry out their business practices in their own country?

The fact of the matter is minorities do get prosecuted in India and Pakistan and if the rates of religious minorities was like India, Pakistan may have same figure. People blame Pakistan’s lack of democracy and dictatorship for the mess but the truth is it is same in India. You guys got everything made-up after the Independence from the British; you have the tools of democracy but do not know how to practice it. Democracy is not given, it is earned and history of United States proves it as such. They also went through a part of their population being second class citizens but they over came it because they know how to practice democracy. Indians go and vote by listening same old speeches and think it is democracy when it is not.

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thethread is not about india vs pak
it is about a demolished mosque and riots
I mean no one has offered any additional info.
was the mosque built legally or was it an illegal structure
the govt has a right to eminent domain if needed and did teh govt offer to build the mosque elsewere if the highway needed to go thru that section.

etc.

how about sharing more info rather than the typical pissing contests?

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**Fraudia and man with a plan, i never mentioned pakistan in this thread.
**Man with a plan,
Did u meet an indian muslim and ask him if he feels that he is second class in india. Which country in the world allows the minorities the rights that India gives it to the minorties. Obviously there is centuries old mistrust and anger in hindus and muslims. Is that only because the hindus are like that? Muslims dont share the blame?
Its nice u brought up the example of US. India is only 60 years old. How long did it take for US to shake off the worst discrimination one can imagine. In india the laws are set for a pluralistic society without any discrimination to religion, caste region. Its in the implimentation that India is lacking. Indian democracy is a working democracy. If not then BJP would have been in power in the last election. Indira would have continued to rule with an iron hand after declaring emergency. But there is defenitely some differences. In India economic policies dont sway voters. Indian voters think with their hearts rather than with mind. Even having a good economic progress of 5 year of BJP rule they were routed because of Modi and company. In 5 years this congress govt will also bite the dust because the soft handling of terrorist in the country. But as i said, its only 60 years and we are slowly progressing. People think about god when they have a problem or in poverty. Once all of them are brought outside the poverty line , people will start to forget the mundane religious stuff and start to focus on economic policies.
The christian empowerment is because of the importance they give to good education. Almost all of india schools and colleges are run by christian missionaries. If muslims do the same then i think there wont be anything stopping them from moving ahead in life.
Saifudin Soz a minister from Kashmir in the central cabinet had asked the madrasas to incult scientific education or else will loose govt funds. He seems reasonable, and he also went on to say that there should be a common curriculum for all of India and decided by the central govt. So all madrasaas or rss shakhas should be brought under the same curriculum. He said this after he visited some of the madrasas in the eastern Uttar pradesh. Hope he dont get a fatwa for that.:)

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**Naseeruddin Shah’s brother to be Deputy Army Chief **

Josy Joseph
Friday, September 29, 2006 23:00 IST

NEW DELHI: Lt Gen Zameer Uddin Shah, brother of Bollywood star Naseeruddin Shah, would be the new Deputy Chief of Army Staff (Personnel & Systems). General Shah, the senior most Muslim officer of the Indian Army, takes over the crucial post on October 1.

General Shah is among the three senior Lieutenant Generals who are taking over senior positions in the Army headquarters on October 1. Among others is Lieutenant General SP Sreekumar who is taking over as the Signal Officer-in Chief, senior most officer of the Army dealing with all matters related to communication. Sreekumar has participated in the 1971 Bangladesh war, operations in Sri Lanka, North East, Punjab and Jammu and Kashmir. Lt Gen PR Gangadharan takes over as the military secretary on the same day. He has fought during the 1971 war, in Kashmir and North East.

General Shah was part of the valiant troops who fought the Longewala battle in Jaisalmer sector in the 1971 war. General Shah, alumni of St Joseph’s College, Nainital, was with 185 Light Regiment into which he was commissioned at Longewala. General Shah’s son too is an Army officer.

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What makes you think I was pointing towards you?

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Let me offer some more info on this particular issue. I hail from a place just 150 kms west of the town where this incident occured. This town is Tadipatri, in Anantapur district of Andhra pradesh.

This is a political fight between the TDP and the Congress, the two major parties in the state. Congress is currently ruling the state and the TDP is in the opposition. Currently congress has gained an upper hand in this region because of its victories in the recent election. Also congress has significantly weakned the leadership in this region by eliminating two top leaders of TDP (Paritala Ravi and Timmampalli Sureedu).

To know more about paritala Ravi read a link on wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paritala_Ravindra

The MLA of Tadipatri is J.C.Diwakara Reddy, who is a powerful faction leader and all the road contracts are grabbed by a company promoted by his brother, prabhakar Reddy.

The local dargah which is on the CB road (from railway station to central bus stand) connects the town of Cuddapah and the city of Bangalore. The dargah has grown in prominence in recent years and thanks to the gulf money, they have been slowly growing and occupying more space. They have illegally occupied a lot of land on the highway, which was set aside for road expansion, widening and amenities. When the actual work began, there were 6 temples, 2 churches and one dargah which required partial demolition due to illegal encroachment on the stretch of 51 kms between Anantapur and Tadipatri (Till bugga junction). All the demolitions were peaceful and in some cases the temple authorities volutarily removed the extended compound wall. However, trouble started with the dargah authorities refusing to clear the encroachment. The contractor, with the permission of the municipal authorities, went ahead and demolished the certain portions which were encroached.
The TDP which was on the receiving end in recent times, found out an opportunity to exact a revenge and it was a great political opportunity during this time due to the mid-term elections in some consituencies.

I believe that the demolition is valid and was required for the public, the building was illegal and it was more politically motivated fight rather than religious discrimination.