2004 NBA Playoffs - Win or Go Home.

Tipz, glad to have your presence back in the NBA thread ;) How are the Kings doing btw? Any rumors of them firing coach Alderman or they\ll wait till after the NBA draft?

Wake up call for the Lakers. They had been resting too long before the finals started. Pistons have drawn first blood but thanks goodness this is a best of 7 series again :> Great defense by the Pistons holding Lakers to 75 points total. Lakers supporting cast needs to show up and contribute offensively. Larry Brown wont mind if only Kobe and Shaq score. (Kobe 25 pts, Shaq 34, THE REST OF THE TEAM 16 pts)

Pistons 87 Lakers 75

tipz, don't go back to hide in the hole once L.A wins it all.

underthedome, you sure?

5Abi, did you see the same game that I saw last night? Lakers ran into unfamiliar territory. Shaq wasn't double teamed last night as much as he has been by other teams. Because when Shaq gets double-teamed, he got two options: Either pound the guys or throw the pass. Last night when he got double teamed, Rasheed had two fouls in the 1st qrt. After that, Larry Brown avoided any double teaming of Shaq.

Kobe was double teamed, which stopped his peneration as well as his chances of attacking the rim. Since Kobe got double teamed, the chances for our supporting cast went down the drain because he's not where Shaq is in terms of making other players better.

Malone was too passive last night as well as he looked much like the same in Game 1 of Laker-Rocket series. Hopefully, from now on, he won't hesitate to shoot the ball. I just can't believe that Karl and Gary would come up so short when they want a ring so badly. At least come to play tommorow night.

Phil needs to take Kobe off of Rip. He's wasting too much energy on defense. We need Kobe more for offense let George chase him around and put Kobe on him in the big moments. Now that Phil has a tape to analyze the game, Phil will come out and make adjustments. It's going to be a total different plan for this series. Too late if you ask me but it ain't the coaching staff fault because we didn't play the Pistons in the second half of the season, let alone Sheed in the line-up.

Get out the brooms, I smell a Sweep, :hula: woo hooooooo

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Tipz, glad to have your presence back in the NBA thread ;) How are the Kings doing btw? Any rumors of them firing coach Alderman or they\ll wait till after the NBA draft?

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Thank you sir, glad to be back.
Kings... lol kiya keh sakhtey hain..
I dont know if they'll fire Adelman or not, but there will surely be a lot of changes. I think, and hoping, they'll trade Chris Webber if they could find a better clutch man to lead the team spirtiually. They need someone who could be a good precense, both on and off the field.
But if they do decide to fire Adelman, it would have to be before the draft. You do not want to fire a coach after the draft, cuz then the new coach might have a diferent trick up his sleeve and not agree with the same draft choices. But who knows, its the Kings, u never know what they'll do.

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tipz, don't go back to hide in the hole once L.A wins it all.

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dont worry, I didnt go hide in the hole. I was away from gs for some time because of some other reasons.
and secondly, I dont' know. I'm pretty sure the Lakers will win, but as always, I'm hoping they dont.
I don't think I need to restate why I hate the lakers, you can look at the posts from 2 yrs back for that.
but i'm def. rooting for the Pistons, if they loose, too bad.

50-B...eventhough I'm hoping the Pistions win, I doubt it'll be a sweep. But aap key moun mein ghee shakar:p

Controlling the tempo of the game, letting Shaq have his day, and weathering Kobe worked in game one but it's hard to believe that the Lakers can be shutdown for a 2nd game in a in a row during the championship...then again everyone thought the Lakers were going to roll with this series.

Odd makers have Lakers by 8, I'll stand by my Pistons if the can re-execute the 3 keys above, if so buy a one way ticket to Detroit because we won't be going back to L.A.

lol underthedome - didn't know that you are keeping eye on the bets at Vegas too. :D

its sad to see sixer were out in playoffs :( :(

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...then again everyone thought the Lakers were going to roll with this series.

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That same everyone also thought Lakers wont get past San Antonio ;) in 2nd round.

grrr this kobe :mad:

good game, enjoyed every minute of it. luke the fluke stepped up, and kobe carried them through.

i think the main difference in the game was the inexperience of the pistons. and it showed. richard hamilton giving space to kobe for that last shot is a crime of very high degree. but u can’t blame him. he, like everyone in detroit, was thinking kobe won’t make it!! but he did, full credit :k: and in overtime, the pistons were clearly not following the plan given to them and panicking. hope pistons and specially hamilton has learnt, that it isn’t over until it really is over, cuz kobe can hit from anywhere.

auburn hills baby :dhimpak:…pistons :k:

Unbelievable shot by Kobe. Ive lost count how many times this season and in the past he has hit the jordanesque clutch shot.
Pistons came close to leaving LA 2-0. Game 2, they continued their tenacious defence and if not for the energetic play by Luke Walton (who was told by his dad Bill Walton "use the force Luke") and the 3-pt shot by Kobe with 2 secs remaning in regulation, the story would have been very similar to Game 1 and Lakers would have lost.

Lakers 99 Pistons 91. But the game was a lot closer than the final score. In OT, the Pistons were a no-show, their energy deflated by Kobe's shot.

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* Kobe Bryant hits his game-tying shot in the final seconds.
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Kobe Bryant, right, and Devean George bump chests after Bryant's game-tying shot.
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And yes, I did a similar chest-bumping maneuver with a friend lastnight at the Yankee Doodles, Santa Monica, where I saw the game :D

Kobe Bryant Classics

A look at some memorable last-second shots by Kobe Bryant:

May 10, 2000 — at Lakers 97, Phoenix 96

• Down by one point with less than 20 seconds to play, Bryant zigzagged his way to the free-throw line, then jumped over Jason Kidd and around Rodney Rogers, hung in the air as they fell back to earth, and made a 14-footer with 2.6 seconds left to give the Lakers a 2-0 lead in the Western Conference semifinals.

June 15, 2000 — Lakers 120, at Indiana 118

• Bryant scores on a putback of a Brian Shaw miss with 5.9 seconds left in overtime to give Lakers the win and a 3-1 lead in the NBA Finals.

May 12, 2002 — Lakers 87, at San Antonio 85

• Bryant scores 10 points in the last five minutes, the last two coming on a putback with 5.1 seconds left to give the Lakers a 3-1 lead in the Western Conference semifinals.

April 14, 2004 — Lakers 105, at Portland 104 (2OT)

• Trailing, 87-84, Bryant makes a 26-foot three-pointer with 1.1 seconds left to send the game into overtime, then, trailing by two, Bryant makes a 26-foot high arching three-pointer at the buzzer to give the Lakers the win in the second overtime.

June 8, 2004 — at Lakers 99, Detroit 91 (OT)

• With the Lakers down by three in regulation, Bryant ties the score with a three-pointer with 2.1 seconds left. The Lakers outscore Detroit in overtime, 10-2, to even the NBA Finals, 1-1.

Courtesy of LA Times

Frustrating end to that game. Thought it was over when Kode took a 3 and missed with a minute 30 left on the clock and Pistons up by 5. Should have never went into OT, Kobe and that 3 at the end caused the Pistons to break down in OT and I'm left shaking my head.

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Frustrating end to that game. Thought it was over when Kode took a 3 and missed with a minute 30 left on the clock and Pistons up by 5. Should have never went into OT, Kobe and that 3 at the end caused the Pistons to break down in OT and I'm left shaking my head.
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it was absolutely shocking. yup, a very frustrating end to that game indeed.

50-B, yeah right. :stuck_out_tongue:

dewana tera bhai, you must have not known how much a great passer Luke was while playing at the Arionza Univesity. Pistons didn’t lost because of inexperience. Hell, with a coach like future HOF Larry Brown, he can shine the newbie in any type situation. Pistons were demorilized by Kobe’s shot, and that’s the reason they didn’t show up in OT as they did in regulation time. :slight_smile:

underthedome, nice. Good to have someone around besides me and 5Abi, who is a basketball fan. Never imagined you living in Michigan though. :konfused:

Still, I don’t believe in this Pistons team as a Bad Boy of the 80s. Though, they are good defensive team, however, they ain’t as physical as of Isiah’s era. If you ask me, who’s the Bad Boy, it’s Ben Wallace!

Let’s not compare that shot as Jordanesque.

Kobe hit a great shot. He should be credited for never losing his focus or confidence, which is my view of what “clutch” means.

Click to see Kobe’s 3-pointer.

I don’t think this makes him “like Jordan” or suddenly the best player in the NBA. Jordan wasn’t the best ever because he hit last-second shots. He was the greatest ever because he played at a ridiculous level all game long. Game-winning shots are highly dramatic but not epiphanies about player talent, as much as people want to make them that.

Derek Fisher has hit key shots and game-winner but he forced way too many lay-ups last night. Robert Horry has become a mythic figure due to game-winners. Reggie Miller, a player no one will ever confuse for Michael Jordan, made a name on late shots. Blazers fans will recall that Damon Stoudamire has his collection of last-second tying or winning shots. Similar to who happens to get walk-off hits in baseball, there’s a large level of luck / randomness to who hits a game-winning shot.

Kobe’s trying to make all of his 3s. The fact that the one that went down was the last one is luck…dramatic luck. The rate at which he hits shots is not luck…it’s talent. But which specific shots go down is random.

That’s not what legends should be built around (though I realize they will be). Legends should be built around who took over games, who played at a high level all the time, who you could count on. Not who hit last-second shots.

In OT, Kobe took over the game. That trey raised his confidence level.

Luke just added another dimension to this thrilling NBA Finals. He might have made a stong case for himself to start over George.

He has been great when he has needed to be. He showed flashes of brilliance in the regular season, he hit a HUGE 3 pointer in Game 5 of the WCSF against the Spurs, and then this game. His stat line showed how much a great playmake he is. Shaq told reporters last night that he has been around with veterans on team for 6/7 years, and he’s just amazed to see how in the world Luke passes the ball to him but others can’t.

If Luke ever learns to defend, he’ll be a great starter at the 3, maybe 15-5-5 career. The guy has quality skills, especially as a playmaker, but the fact that he was able to maneuver against a very quick, long and energetic Pistons defense showed me he has somewhat athleticism to go with his game. His problem is tweener size and tweener athleticism. He’s not the most athletic player but he’s tall and he moves his feet alright. Plus, he’s a very bright kid and he has excellent instincts and I think you’ll see him anticipate better in the future. He’s got the skills to make it work for him as a SF/PF.

Walton’s a better passer than most NBA point guards.

“LUUKKEEE”

And I still don’t understand why Phil doesn’t run a few plays for Payton, especially since you’d have to be blind to not see how injured Karl is. God, just run some simple P&R. He’s getting outplayed by Billups. Run some P&R! Since Malone sprained his knee, forget Shaq doing a good job on defence because he won’t come up on Pick & Roll situation. Payton will be lost in the screen-rolls, and Billups will hit as many shots as he gets.

I say, bench George, play with Luke at SF, Fisher(in big moments)/Payton at PG with Malone, Shaq and Kobe. Last night, these were five players on the floor. The Lakers need energy to out-run Pistons and make defensive stops. That is the only way Lakers are going to win the NBA Finals. It’s the other way around. Lakers are used to beat teams by great offense at one end first, defence at the other.

Now, with Pistons, you gotta play defence first, switch on play-by-play to free up perimeter shooters. Since, we haven’t been good road team all season long, Lakes must take a game at the Palace. I can see us winning 6 and 7 games at home if we are down by a game(2-3).

Kobe is more than just a talented basketball player.. He knows the game of basket ball more than your average player and veterans in some cases. He paces his game well…and takes over when the rest of the team needs him the most. The thing that has most impressed me about Kobie is his focus in the game. It is hard to be in his shoes and perform at that level with so much media distractions and offcourt pressure

Pistons have been a little disappointing at home..I don’t recall the stats but I think they lost to Indiana and Jets at home on a couple of occasions during these playoffs. Keeping that in mind, game two was vital for them!!! Home court advantage would have switched but oh well it still isn’t too late. 1-1 is a good start nevertheless..considering that they were the underdogs entering this series.

Pistons got demoralized after Kobe’s 3 pointer… that should be a real concern for Larry Brown…Champions should have a bigger heart than that and they should have battled till the end…the offense dried up and players stopped moving the ball. On the other hand, Lakers put an exclamation mark on their victory by going on a 10-2 run in OT… showing the world why they have been the champions in the past.

Bench players are going to be big in this series…I find Piston’s bench better than the Lakers…Lakers have been lucky so far that there has always been someone off the bench who has rescued them and yesterday it was Luke. The guy is not an exceptional player..he just looked good among the future hall of famers who were finishing well.

Why can’t I be from Michigan? I’m not, but I’m there occasionally.

With Joe Dumars in the mix of operations Pistons should be solid for long time.

Game 3

I've got some advice for Kobe, fire your legal defense team and hire the Detroit Pistons.

Total domination by the Pistons Defense that has left the Lakers looking drained and all dried up. The 'Zen master' Phil Jackson better come up with an offense that can penetrate the Pistons tenacious D or the Lakers Dynasty appears to be coming to a close. After tonight’s performance I see the Pistons rolling away and the Lakers being little more than a squashed bug on their windshield, it ain’t pretty, no it ain’t pretty.

A little too late for that underthedome. I don't see Lakes winning games at Detriot with Malone on nursey. Pistons came out really hard on us last night. Darko Millic checked in, that's how it was bad last night.

In the 1st half, the game was close. Malone showed alot of guts, however, you could see him limping, late on Pick and Roll. Without Malone, Lakes' chemistry went to hell, Pistons took full advantage. They got everything. Loose ball, unforced TOs...everything. They double teamed Kobe, contested every shot of his, and he just couldn't find his way to the basket.

If the Lakers come out with a sense of urgency on Sunday, it would be a totally different story, and they could walk away with a W.

Unfortunately, as hard as I try, I just cannot see it happening; and I won't prefer Malone to damage his knee as worst as it is rightnow.

PT naw man, Malone not being healthy is no excuse for the Lakers. You cant take anything away from Piston defence. They have played with the same defensive strategy all season long. Lakers just simply have no answers for them so far. We need to win only one game and bring the series back to LA and try to win the last 2 at home.