2.5% of Iraq's population has been killed since US invasion

Ironically, could it actually be that Saddam’s iron-fisted rule was neccessary to prevent the loss of more lives than he took?

655,000 is calculated to be the most accurate number. The lowest, least accurate number, is about 393,000.

69% of casualties are attributed to being caused by Iraqis; 31% by US-led forces. Laying aside the Iraqi-inflicted casualties (writing them off as Civil War casualties), this means that US-led forces alone have killed anywhere from over 100,000 Iraqis to over 200,000 Iraqis.

To put this into perspective, the UN cites 400,000 deaths in Darfur since the conflict there began in July 2003, around the same time as the Iraq invasion.

The death toll among Iraqis as a result of the US-led invasion has now reached an estimated 655,000, a study in the Lancet medical journal reports today.
The figure for the number of deaths attributable to the conflict - which amounts to around 2.5% of the population - is at odds with figures cited by the US and UK governments and will cause a storm, but the Lancet says the work, from the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health in Baltimore, has been examined and validated by four separate independent experts who all urged publication.

In October 2004, the same researchers published a study estimating that 100,000 Iraqis had died as a result of the war since the beginning of the March 2003 invasion, a figure that was hugely controversial. Their new study, they say, reaffirms the accuracy of their survey of two years ago and moves it on.

“Although such death rates might be common in times of war, the combination of a long duration and tens of millions of people affected has made this the deadliest international conflict of the 21st century and should be of grave concern to everyone,” write the authors, Gilbert Burnham and colleagues.

“At the conclusion of our 2004 study we urged that an independent body assess the excess mortality that we saw in Iraq. This has not happened. We continue to believe that an independent international body to monitor compliance with the Geneva conventions and other humanitarian standards in conflict is urgently needed. With reliable data, those voices that speak out for civilians trapped in conflict might be able to lessen the tragic human cost of future wars.”

The epidemiological research was carried out on the ground by teams of doctors moving from house to house, questioning families and examining death certificates. Between May and July this year, they visited 1,849 households in 47 separated clusters across the length and breadth of Iraq. The doctors asked about deaths among members of the household in a period before the invasion, from January 2002 to March 2003, and about deaths since. In 92% of cases, they were shown death certificates confirming the cause.

A total of 629 deaths were reported, of which 547 - or 87% - occurred after the invasion. The mortality rate before the war was 5.5 per 1,000, but since the invasion, it has risen to 13.3 per 1,000 per year, they say. Between June 2005 and June 2006, the mortality rate hit a high of 19.8 per 1,000.

Thus they calculate that 654,965 Iraqis have died as a consequence of the invasion. It is an estimate and the mid-point, and most likely of a range of numbers that could also be correct in the context of their statistical analysis. But even the lowest number in the range - 392,979 - is higher that anyone else has suggested. Of the deaths, 31% were ascribed to the US-led forces. Most deaths were from gunshot wounds (56%), with a further 13% from car bomb injuries and 14% the result of other explosions.

Re: 2.5% of Iraq's population has been killed since US invasion

USA has announced they plan to stay in Iraq until 2010, so if u add in another 4 years of deaths.

You are looking at almost 1,500,000 Iraqis dying before USA leaves

Re: 2.5% of Iraq's population has been killed since US invasion

Realistically, the killing is likely to continue after the US leaves. The USA has failed where Saddam had succeeded - the USA has unleashed the horror of sectarianism upon Iraq.

The question that's left is why should Western powers continue to remain in Iraq joining in the killing. The USA, Britain, and their allies should withdraw from Iraq and leave it to Iraqis and regional countries to sort it out.

The USA's efforts to create a nation in its own image has failed spectacularly, since democracy is not applicable to all nations and circumstances. Where religious hatred can fan up so quickly and with such deadly results, only the iron fist of dictatorship can maintain peace, order, and save lives.

Thus the Ottomans ran Iraq and kept it united; thus Britain administered Iraq and kept it united; thus the King administered Iraq and kept it united, and thus the Baath Party spread its tyranny over Iraq but kept it united, mainly peaceful, and brought order and development (until the invasion of Kuwait).

Part of Samuel Huntingdon's Clash of Civilisation theory states that western values such as democracies are not the only route to success. In the case of Iraq, it's clear that substituting democracy for tyranny brings only death and destruction.

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Iraqi's don't matter, only the American soldiers matter...duh!

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Bring back the tyranny! If dictatorship is the only way to keep Muslims from killing each other, than by all means let's have the iron-fisted, dictatorial, oppressive regimes instead of this. Bush has made a HUGE mistake. It does seem to be the only way to keep religious hatred at bay.

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Well the splitting of Iraq into 3 is looking more likely. Can a 2 way Baghdad division work?

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^ if it works the same model can be used on jerusalem :)

Re: 2.5% of Iraq’s population has been killed since US invasion

Sad but true. In a society with historic issues like Iraq, it seems that democracy serves only as a channel for unfortunate hatreds.

I’m not saying that democracy is not applicable for all Muslim countries: Indonesia Bangladesh and even Pakistan (where sectarian violence is very small scale compared to Iraq) shows that democracy doesn’t neccessarily lead to violence in Muslim countries.

Most of the arab countries are religiously very homologous so sectarian civil war will never be an issue there (lebanon and iraq being the obvious exception; possible even Saudi Arabia, being 10% Shia).


As for dividing Iraq, it

a) Shows that Britain is far superior to the US at ruling other countries, because Britain ran Iraq for longer than just 3 years and managed to keep it cohesive. The Yanks lost control within months.
b) is a damn shame that a country that stayed united for the past 88 years, through a world war and 5 regional wars, should be undone in the span of just 3 short years by an occupying foreign power.

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I wouldn't put so much blame on democracy alone. I think its about not cleaning up the remaining arsenal, not able to control "infiltration" of borders etc.

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Not that surprising when you look at who was/is running the show. The rejection of UN help by the Bush admin. after it was clear the U.S. had an obtained an easy victory against Iraqi's conventional forces and before the insurgency/terror took hold helped seal the deal to a path of chaos. Rumsfeld wisdom that the Iraqi looting of 2003 was a 'transition to freedom' and that U.S. troops would be showered with flowers and candy post-war shows you how out of touch the architects were and how wrong their vision was.

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Iraqis are killing Iraqis with whatever weaponry they can get by hook or crook, making a lot of their own bombs. It's not infiltration either. It's s-e-c-t-a-r-i-a-n violence plain and simple. Power struggle. Hatred.

Re: 2.5% of Iraq’s population has been killed since US invasion

syria off the hook then?

Re: 2.5% of Iraq’s population has been killed since US invasion

Rejecting UN help was only a minor part.

Refusal to use US troops as police after the invasion and refusing to flood the country with US troops was the beginning. Refusing the believe the power of Sunni and Shia clerics and attempting to sideline them compounded the mistake. Disbanding the Army, over-eager de-Baathification and alienating the people through treating them like enemies sealed the coffin.

Breaking up Iraq will be a disaster, even from the viewpoint of what’s in America’s best interests.

Kurdistan
The existence of an independent Kurdish state will be viewed as a direct territorial threat by Ankara. Pushed by hard-liners in the military, Turkey will work with Syria and Iran to occupy Kurdistan. This in turn will horrify the EU, freeze if not outright prevent Turkey’s EU accession, and instead drive Turkey towards seeking to create if not try and lead a political block in the middle east.

The Shia South
This oil rich state will be intensely close to Iran spiritually, politicall, and ultimately militarily. Faced with the Sunni, anti-Shia power that is Saudi Arabia on its southern doorstep, the Shia South will turn to Iran as its protector. The resulting regional rivalry between Iran and Saudi Arabia will play hell with oil prices, and just get worse once Iran tests a warhead and Saudi Arabia initiates its own nuclear weapons programme in response (or just buys one from a nuclear scientist…)

The Sunni Centre
The post-withdrawal civil war will be bloodiest here, with Baath revival nationalists fighting it out with those who want to create an Islamic state. The sheer brutality of the Baath party, with Syrian and probably Jordanian support, will initially win out here. But without natural resources and being completely landlocked, poverty will spread and the people slowly simmer with anger against the Baath party. Ultimately, this impoverished strip of land will turn into the next Afghanistan, with the people there remembering America coming to Iraq and removing them from wealth and power (which admittedly they held from the Shia majority). The people here will remember Fallujah and Ramadi as their Alamos, and seeth with anger and pride and we know how that will end up…

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Its SECTARIAN violence NOW, was it the same thing in 2003? 2004? ....? Whatever happened to the claims that majority of 'insurgency' is made up of foreigners? Where are they getting materials for bombs, road-side-mines? I'm sure all the bombs that are exploding in Iraq are not petro-bombs.

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Sectarian violence is obviously being fueled by outside interests. Syria, Iran and holy warriors are participating and supplying the 'insurgents', but I don't think any unbiased person would deny the overwhelming motivation for the violence is sectarian and power struggle.

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Well with the passing of a law in Iraq just today the breakup process has moved a step closer. The law allows provinces to merge in order to create larger regions witch would have more self government, there is an 18 month wait before any province can merge but the ball has been set in motion. Sunni's, not surprisingly, boycotted the vote, you can see why via MS comments.

What do you think about creating some type of large settlements (with protection) via Israel-style within the 3 divided areas (ie: Sunni settlement in the Shia South) in order to hamper any independence effort as well as create some kind of unity within Iraq even if it is a weak one. Wealth would be divided in order to avoid the Sunni center collapse. Allow strong regional control as long as it remains within the laws of the national governement.

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seminole i think that vested interests want US to get stuck in the quagmire that Iraq has become. That is something that should have been planned against. With the technology at ou disposal defeating an enemy is not tough, as witnessed by the swift ouster of Taleban and that of Saddam, but simply relying on technology does little in taking control of the place. I think this is an area where massive mismanagement was made, egos got in the way and fake baravado and chest thumping and back slapping then is only giving thigh slapping laughter now to those against our interests.

so this has become a mess, cant just leave ad let that place become an extremist haven, and cant stay on course as we have been. Something has to change.

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And people wonder why US supports 'friendly' dictators. I really don't know what the option are since US has alienated anyone who would (or could) possibly help and make this a multi-national effort to establish peace and a stable govt.

US made massive mistake from the get-go and the mistakes only compounded since then.

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The attack on Iraq has officially become a genocide...the first of 21st century...

Re: 2.5% of Iraq's population has been killed since US invasion

Actually the first and only genocide of the 21st century is occurring in the Sudan. Since most of the killings (in this ridiculously high estimate) are Iraqis killing Iraqis, I don't think it meets the definition of genocide.