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^ I appreciate your "patriotism", but find your "India is anti-minority"whining tough to digest.
From your own post "When Bal Thakrey was found guilty by the inquiry commission and was finally escorted to the court, he was discharged in minutes"
The courts did not find him guilty - would you accuse them of being anti-minority too ?
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From your own post "When Bal Thakrey was found guilty by the inquiry commission and was finally escorted to the court, he was discharged in minutes"
The courts did not find him guilty - would you accuse them of being anti-minority too ?
The problem with our system is that even when a particular leader is accused, he or she continues to hold power. Advani was accused in the criminal case and continued to be Home Minister, Lalu is accused in a fraud case and continues to be Railway Minister, Shahabuddin was accused and continued to attend the parliament. The Bal Thackrey arrest and discharge case seems to be a pre-arranged and staged drama. He must have been told in advance what was going to happen. Otherwise he would not have allowed himself to be arrested.
I must say that , institutions like High Court and Supreme Court have uphold the dignity of judiciary system in India and are still free from any political influence but lower courts are plagued with such influences. (In Pakistan, even supreme court is not immune to political influence)
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Its Ok. You can claim that India is not a true secular state and hence Muslims minority can use riot against Hindus.
Can you name a single State where Muslims are OK with the majority community???
And why do Muslims riot against Muslims in Islamic States???
Can you explain what kind of syndrome disturbs them anywhere and everywhere in secular and non-secular states???
Why do **you ** or Sal35 or any Muslim debator never enquires if the culprits of Godhra carnage are punished???
And Pls donot show me the Lalu apeasement report on Godhra! Facts are entirely different.
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Can you name a single State where Muslims are OK with the majority community???
And why do Muslims riot against Muslims in Islamic States???
Can you explain what kind of syndrome disturbs them anywhere and everywhere in secular and non-secular states???
Why do you **or **Sal35 or any Muslim debator never enquires if the culprits of Godhra carnage are punished???
And Pls donot show me the Lalu apeasement report on Godhra! Facts are entirely different.
Good questions which will go unanswered without a spin.
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The designated TADA court on Tuesday held five Hindu policemen guilty in 1993 serial blasts case for allowing smooth passage of arms and ammunition from Raigad to Mumbai
Its good that irrespective of religion, the guilty are being punished.
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I have heard this so many times from you so please tell me - Could US have done the same for Bin Laden or others. International Court of Justice, it works only in civilized world.
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^ US was in no mood to handover the "evidences" to anyone, any court in the world even when Taliban offered US to chose a third country of agreement as place for running the trial. US has so far stayed away from ICJ fearing for its own soldiers could be tried in several places globally.
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i endorse sal35's views.
however, i'm not sure that i would label it as a double-standard based on religion. the most relevant fact is being ignored....those hindus being cited as accused and let off are not just any hindus, they are amongst the most powerful men in the nation. it is nearly impossible to punish powerful people in india.
a powerful or wealthy muslim will also have a much easier time in the courts than a hindu common criminal.
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Valid POV. It's true that the rich and powerful get away with murder, so do the people who have 'friends' in high places, or who are hated enough to be hung, guilty or not. Babu, I know what you are trying to say, that violence is not the answer, and you're right, but rather than teach the masses how to behave it's prudent to first teach the leaders, or the judicial system, don't you think? We don't expect children to teach their parents manners, it's vice versa. :)
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however, i'm not sure that i would label it as a double-standard based on religion. the most relevant fact is being ignored....those hindus being cited as accused and let off are not just any hindus, they are amongst the most powerful men in the nation. it is nearly impossible to punish powerful people in india.
a powerful or wealthy muslim will also have a much easier time in the courts than a hindu common criminal.
Exactly ! If a Bal Thakeray or Modi are roaming free, so are Syed Shahabuddin & Bukhari.
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You are missing the facts here babuji. Sal35 has raised a very valid point. Most of the posters here would agree that the 93 blasts were a direct result of the riots that affected bombay after the demolition of Babri Masjid. Dawood was always a "patriotic Indian" before the riots took place if we apply the common yardstick that we always apply to find if a person is really patriotic. I dont have to tell you that it is cricket. Many of my friends in Sharjah always remember how Dawood would invariably turn up for Cricket matches and support India.
The 93 riots alienated a lot of well meaning muslims and it is imperative that some action is taken against its perpetrators.
You raised a point that the shiv sena chief was let go by the courts. Can you imagine him being punished even if all evidence was presented in the court. Bombay would burn for days. You seem to be taking your anti minority stand too far...
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You are missing the facts here babuji. Sal35 has raised a very valid point. Most of the posters here would agree that the 93 blasts were a direct result of the riots that affected bombay after the demolition of Babri Masjid. Dawood was always a "patriotic Indian" before the riots took place if we apply the common yardstick that we always apply to find if a person is really patriotic. I dont have to tell you that it is cricket. Many of my friends in Sharjah always remember how Dawood would invariably turn up for Cricket matches and support India. The 93 riots alienated a lot of well meaning muslims and it is imperative that some action is taken against its perpetrators. You raised a point that the shiv sena chief was let go by the courts. Can you imagine him being punished even if all evidence was presented in the court. Bombay would burn for days. You seem to be taking your anti minority stand too far...
That may be your POV, but I do not agree. Calling Dawood a patriotic Indian is an insult to all patriotic Indians. Patriotic Indians do not kill innocents for the perceived faults of a few.
Get a reality check. The 2nd phase of Bombay riots started after the killing of 4 Hindu Mathadi Kamgar by Muslims in Dongri. And criminals/anti-nationals like Dawood just warmed their hands in this fire.
If you read my earlier post carefully, I have mentioned that it is difficult to prosecute/punish people like Thakeray/Modi/Shahabuddin because of the repercussions it will have. So I don't see how you can accuse me of having an anti-minority stand.
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Captain you know what therez a common sense and a logic in this :naraz: we had proofs that is why US declared Dawooed as terrorist like Lashkar, Hizbul blah.. blah.. otherwise what was the need to declare Dawooed or blah.. blah.. your freedom fighter groups as terrorists ??? :hoonh:
and what do you think Maharaj ji US will declare every 2nd person as a terrorist for without any reason or proofs ??? :hoonh:
please read here aapki confusion door ho jaayegi 
http://www.hvk.org/articles/0102/207.html
and check here for dawooed proofs to interpol
But now the question, when your country has already admitted Dawooed is in Pak so what can we expect from any irresponsible country ?? :hoonh:
please check here
Now if you want more proofs so please contact Interpol like what you say always.
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That may be your POV, but I do not agree. Calling Dawood a patriotic Indian is an insult to all patriotic Indians. Patriotic Indians do not kill innocents for the perceived faults of a few.
Get a reality check. The 2nd phase of Bombay riots started after the killing of 4 Hindu Mathadi Kamgar by Muslims in Dongri. And criminals/anti-nationals like Dawood just warmed their hands in this fire.
If you read my earlier post carefully, I have mentioned that it is difficult to prosecute/punish people like Thakeray/Modi/Shahabuddin because of the repercussions it will have. So I don't see how you can accuse me of having an anti-minority stand.
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I am calling Dawood a "patriotic Indian" by the yardstick that we commonly apply to people in our country. Yes it is an insult to call Dawood patriotic by any sense of the term. But the point that I was trying to make is that people like Dawood got the opportunity and the motivation to do what they did from the Mumbai riots.
Your point about the cause of the second phase of the bombay riots is what we often accuse our muslim brethern of doing. Harping about the root cause effect.
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There were a couple of incidents between Babri Masjit demolition & bomb blasts, so your saying that bomb blasts were a result of the demolition is not entirely accurate.
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While solving a technical problem in a scientific manner, root cause analysis technique is applied. This technique helps in identifying all the probable causes of a technical breakdown.
Can you identify why a large number of muslims got involved in 1993 bomb blast in Bombay? The day Babri Mosque was grounded, I personally felt extremely angry and told a group of my Hindu colleagues these sentences out of anger:
IN A CIVILISED SOCIETY LAW OF THE LAND PREVAILS. IN AN UNCIVILIZED SOCIETY MIGHT IS ALWAYS RIGHT AS IN JUNGLES. BY DESTROYING BABRI MOSQUE WE HAVE PROVEN TO THE WORLD THAT WE ARE AN UNCIVILIZED SOCIETY WHERE LAW HAS NO PLACE.
Taliban also repeated the same ugly act by destroying Buddha statues in Afghanistan what VHP did in Ayodhya few years ago. Taliban and VHP are the same old wine in new bottles.
And such uncivilized act will always have an uncivilized reactions. 1993 bomb blast was such an uncivilized reaction against innocent people which I strongly condemn.
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Indian bias and investigative incompetancy at full view. Takes an entire decade to solve the bombay bombings ( I bet they still have the wrong guy), and yet there is still no justice for the 5000 or more Sikhs and Muslims who were killed by Hindu extremists over the past 20 plus years.. 
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Can you identify why a large number of muslims got involved in 1993 bomb blast in Bombay? The day Babri Mosque was grounded, I personally felt extremely angry and told a group of my Hindu colleagues these sentences out of anger:
IN A CIVILISED SOCIETY LAW OF THE LAND PREVAILS. IN AN UNCIVILIZED SOCIETY MIGHT IS ALWAYS RIGHT AS IN JUNGLES. BY DESTROYING BABRI MOSQUE WE HAVE PROVEN TO THE WORLD THAT WE ARE AN UNCIVILIZED SOCIETY WHERE LAW HAS NO PLACE.
Taliban also repeated the same ugly act by destroying Buddha statues in Afghanistan what VHP did in Ayodhya few years ago. Taliban and VHP are the same old wine in new bottles.
And such uncivilized act will always have an uncivilized reactions. 1993 bomb blast was such an uncivilized reaction against innocent people which I strongly condemn.
Ha, its wonderfull to see muslims getting angry over some mosque which never ever existed or made available to muslims for praying. What does a mosque signify to a muslim. Its a place where the imam lives. Or is the God really lives there. Bringing down babri masjid was wrong. But starting the whole communal riots thing and killing people was even more wrong. Was any muslim hurt during babri demolition. Hindus believe in idol worship, if hindus believe that Ram indeed was born there why is the muslims so adament to replace the mosque and keep it somehwhare else. Why can only muslims be so damn adament in their views why cant a few hindus too be adamant in their views.
U guys decide for urself, what is more ghastly bringing down a mosque or life of people.
Taliban and VHP has a very fundamental difference. Taliban was controlling the country and imposing its will on the people, while VHP is far from doing that. Even when their sympathisers where in power nothing happened in Ayodhya.
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I assume that many of the rioters get jail term in pakistan. isnt it..
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So you mean to say that Hindu sentiments are more important than the law of the land. This kind of mentality exists in an underdeveloped or uncivilized society.
As far Taliban versus VHP, remember that during Babri Mosque distruction, Hindu Fundamentalist govt (BJP) was in power in U.P. and it had all the control over law and enforcement.
Also remember, when ADVANI tried to create trouble in the country in the name of Ram temple and was passing through Bihar, LALU got him arrested and handcuffed him. But KALYAN SINGH allowed the distruction and even today he is proud of this. If LALU or MULAYAM would have been the chief minister of U.P. then all VHP leaders and Hindu fundamentalist would have been behind bars and it would have been impossible to distroy the structure.
There is no difference between Taliban and VHP. The only difference is that most of the Hindus are secular minded while most of the muslims are not.