1971 Rapes: Bangladesh Cannot Hide History

[TS]

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Very pertinent point, Mad Scientist.

[TS]

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@Khan4Life

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Don't Bangladeshis cheer for Pakistan team against other teams when they play cricket in Dhaka ? Don't they cheer when Pakistani singers perform in concerts in Dhaka ?

You know what happened when Bangladesh lost against Pakistan in Asia Cup? They cried so badly and wanted the reversal of the decision and later they declined the tour to Pakistan just based on same reason and their people didn't even applause for Pakistani team on their win.

That's why I mentioned, against a 'third country'. :)

[Sachaydino]

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@mAd_ScIeNtIsT

**In 1971, most career military Bengali officers, with a few high profile exceptions, were immeditaely held as prisoners and flown to West Pakistan regardless of whether or not they took part in treasonous activities. This meant that the career military men played relatively little part in the rebellion. After the war, they were repatriated and took over military leadership, eventually overthrowing the Awami league, executing its leadership, and establishing a dictatorship. **

False perception or analysis far from the truth. There was no regular army of Bengali up to separation in 1971. A para military force existed then known as East Pakistan Rifles (EPR). They were the main founding memebers of Mukti Bahini after the revolt by Shaikh Mujibur-Rehaman. EPR further got training in India to fight back with West Pakistani Army. Former EPR became part of the regular army for Bangladesh during first Shaikh Mujib’s rule. Former EPR and present army of Bangladesh is indebted to India. off and on it paid its indebtedness to its Indian helpers.

EPR is now renamed as BGB.

Border Guards Bangladesh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Organization

The BGB is commanded by a Major General. The BGB administration and most of the officer corps are trained and deputed from the Bangladesh Army. There are, however, around 100 officers who are promoted from within the force itself. They can be promoted as high as Deputy Director (D.D) which is equivalent to the rank of Lt. Colonel and Assistant Director(A.D) equivalent to the rank of major and Deputy Assistant Director(D.A.D) equivalent to the rank of Captain in Bangladesh Army . Its current strength is 67,000+ structured along 61 battalions and numerous border outposts (B.O.P.), mostly along the borders.

BGB is organized into a central headquarters and 4 regional headquarters. Under the regional headquarters there are 16 sectors. Each sector is commanded by a Colonel.

@mAd_ScIeNtIsT

The actual fighting (apart from the dominant role of the Indian Army) was done by the Mukhti Bahinis, under Awami League control. This means that the Awami League draws a lot of its public popularity from being the party that “saved” Bengalis from Pakistan, which means that it needs to make the events of 1971 seem as horrific as possible. This enables them to position themselves as having been Bangladesh’s saviors, at a time when its rival parties today were either doing nothing (as prisoners) or collaborating with Pakistan.

Particularly because political strength in Bangladesh is generally finely balanced between the Awami League and the Bangladesh National Party, the League puts a lot of effort into trying to make 1971 look as bad as possible.

Hence, for example, the current monkey show trials to execute leaders from and try to disband some of the religious parties allied with the BNP, using 1971 as an excuse.

Can you make any better picture of what really happened in 1971? It was not only horrific event for former East Pakistan but it was horrific event for us West Pakistanis too.

**West Pakistan army unleashed hell on Bengali, the horrific truth you can not hide by writing rosy above words. It was unfortunate for Pakistan of Quaid-e-Azam which was eliminated from the map of earth in 1971. Indira Gandhi wanted to further destroy West Pakistan, the remaining part, when Nixon intervened and warned her to stop the war. Had Sam not intervened, there would have been no Pakistan at all after 1971. Get this horrific fact down loaded.

****(Likers read the history of breakup of 1971 and history of horrific events before liking lies here pretending that those horrific events never happened. JI was fully responsible for genocide and rape of Bangali and fully responsible for the break up of the country became party to then West Pakistan army)

****How can you deny this sharabi General happened to be head of state then who said “he knows East Pakistan better than East Pakistani know themselves”. Lying not only to the people of Pakistan then, but lying to the whole world. Had Qaid-e-Azam alive then seeing this how an army drinkard general is raping whole Pakistan, perhaps he would have never dared to ask for a separate country for Muslims.

**

[Ali_Syed]

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@Sachaydino

I could not find National Geographic where story of these unfortunate pregnant women was published. It was perhaps September issue of 1972. However there is another site.

http://warbabiesofbangladesh.blog.com/introduction-to-the-war-babies-of-bangladesh/

Introduction to the War-babies of Bangladesh

http://www.banglapedia.org/httpdocs/HT/W_0021.HTM

War-babies are referred to here as babies born to Bengali women consequent of their being raped by Pakistani soldiers and other criminals who took advantage of the situation of the war of liberation (March 1971 to December 1971). While they are referred to as the ‘unwanted children’, the ‘enemy children’, the ‘illegitimate children’, and more contemptuously, the ‘*******s’, their birth mothers are also variously referred to as the ‘violated women’, the ‘dishonored women’, the ‘distressed women’, the ‘rape victims’, the ‘victims of military repression’, the ‘affected women’ and the ‘unfortunate’ women. Many birth-mothers committed suicide in order to avoid social stigma. Many pregnant women went to India and other places either to terminate pregnancies or arrange deliveries. Many babies were born at home. But unfortunately, accurate or fairly reliable statistics are not available for any of these categories of victims. The situation has led us to make guesswork and presumptions about the number and fate of war babies. Some limited evidences are to be found in government and non-government organisations records and records of foreign missions and missionary organisations.

An Italian medical survey, for example, put the number of victims at 40,000, the London-based International Planned Parenthood Federation (IPPF) estimated it at 200,000. Dr. Geoffrey Davis, a social worker dealing with the management of war babies at the time argued that the number could go higher. How many victims got pregnant and delivered babies is absolutely uncertain. A government estimate put it at 300,000. But the methodology adopted for reaching this figure was not sound. According to Dr. Davis, about 200000 women became pregnant. But it was only his guess, not a study.

Newspaper reports of the time, which included interviews of Justice K. M. Sobhan, Chairperson, BWRP, Sister Margaret Mary, Superior, Missionaries of Charity, Dr. Geoffrey Davis, the IPPF personnel such as Odert von Shoultz, reveal that 2,3000 abortions were performed at various Dhaka clinics by a team of British, American and Australian doctors, with assistance from some Bengali counterparts. In a sense, it makes the most comprehensive information on abortion in early 1972, following the arrival of the foreign doctors in Dhaka who set up several abortion/delivery clinics referred to as Seva Sedan in Dhaka.

Newspaper reports indicate that between 300 and 400 children were born in the premises of 22 Seva Sadans (that is delivery centres or clinics) which were established across Bangladesh. The Executive Director of the Canadian UNICEF Committee, following his visits to both occupied Bangladesh and independent Bangladesh, where he held discussions with representatives of the League of Red Cross Societies and the UNICEF personnel, reported to headquarters in Ottawa that the estimated number of the war-babies was in the neighbourhood of 10,000. While no exact records are available to determine the accuracy of such figures, it is probably safe to assume that the number seems incredibly high. Ten thousand is, by far, the largest number quoted in any record that made reference to the birth of the war-babies in 1972.

Government’s initiatives in tackling the problem The first, and most important, initiative that the government of Bangladesh took was the creation of a body called Bangladesh Women’s Rehabilitation Board (BWRB) on 18 February 1972. Partnering with the Directorate of Training, Research, Evaluation and Communication (TREC) of the Bangladesh Family Planning Association, the Central Organisation for Women’s Rehabilitation, the Directorate of Social Welfare of the Ministry of Social Welfare and Labour, the Board had two broad goals: (1) to organise clinical services wherever possible in Bangladesh within the limited time span of three to four months to provide medical treatment to the rape victims; and (2) to plan, organise and establish facilities and institutions, specially vocational training centres, to effectively rehabilitate thousands of destitute women in needing immediate help. Destitute women were not necessarily ‘violated women’ but were considered to be ‘war-affected’ in that they had lost either their husbands or the bread earners of the family (such as father, etc), killed by the Pakistan Army, or had lost their property during the war.

Through its Rehabilitation Programme for the Violated Women, the government sought innovative ways to enhance the self-esteem of the victims and their status in the nation as noble contributors be regarded with pride. Honouring the unsung heroines, the government had declared that they deserved national recognition for their valiant role in the War of Liberation. In an attempt to find and promote a positive voice around these victims, the government, after several rounds of consultation with interest groups, came forward to honour them with the title Birangana (heroines) not as a sign of disgrace and humiliation but as a symbol of honour and courage. By honouring them as such, it was believed that they would be seen as the symbol and embodiment of everything that is descent, courageous and noble. It was also believed that such recognition of sacrifice would open the doors for the Biranganas who would then be accepted by the society as both triumphant and tragic. Simultaneously, the government continued to seek advice from all quarters to formulate its policy on the abandoned war-babies.

Inter-country adoption of the war-babies Following a personal request of President Sheikh Mujibur Rahman, the U.S. Branch of the Geneva-based International Social Service (ISS/AB) was the first international non-profit organisation to come forward to advise the government concerning the war-babies. Two local voluntary agencies, the Dhaka-based Bangladesh-Central Organisation for Women Rehabilitation and the Family Planning Association, had worked with the ISS throughout the consultation and implementation phases.

Canadian initiative in adopting the war-babies Canada was one of the first countries in the world which had expressed an interest to adopt the war-babies of Bangladesh. Through personal efforts of Mother Teresa and her colleagues at Missionaries of Charity, and the government of Bangladesh’s Ministry of Labour and Social Welfare, two Canadian organisations got involved in adoptions. They were the Montreal-based Families for Children, a non-profit adoption agency for inter-country adoption, and the Toronto-based Kuan-Yin Foundation (pursuing relief of distressed children in the world), a non-profit adoption agency initiated by a group of enthusiastic Canadians. There were other countries such as the US, the UK, France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Sweden and Australia, to name a few. In addition, there were many organisations, such as, the US-based Holt Adoption Program, Inc. and Terre des Hommes.

In facilitating adoption of war-babies by foreign nationals, the government promulgated a Presidential Order entitled The Bangladesh Abandoned Children (Special Provisions) Order 1972. When the first contingent of 15 war-babies from Bangladesh arrived in Canada on 19 July 1972, they received comprehensive media coverage for days. The key media message was that interracial adoption programmes were a positive initiative and that Canadians of diverse background should endorse such an initiative.

The end of the war-baby question International participation in the re-habilitation of war-babies had a debatable aspect. The adopting agencies of the West showed more interest in the rehabilitation of war-babies, not in their birth-mothers. The war babies were mostly from Muslim women and they were destined to be raised as Christians in the adopting countries, an aspect which made public opinion in Bangladesh quite hostile to inter-country adoption initiative. The war-baby question came to a close by 1974 when the babies were either transported by then to foreign lands as adopted ones or begun to be raised at home as normal domiciles of Bangladesh. [Mustafa Chowdhury]

Both these sites seem to be blogs. Anyways heinous crimes were committed from both sides. Maybe the Bangladeshis killed were not as much as propagated by Bangladeshis but still no doubt a large number of people were killed which cannot be condoned.

[Sachaydino]

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@Ali_Syed

Both these sites seem to be blogs. Anyways heinous crimes were committed from both sides. Maybe the Bangladeshis killed were not as much as propagated by Bangladeshis but still no doubt a large number of people were killed which cannot be condoned.

There was reaction from Bengali in March 25, 1971 when Shaikh Mujib's requisitioned NA session in Dacca was denied by the West Pakistani rulers. Bengali had full right to rule Pakistan after 1970 elections. When West Pakistan army took over East Pakistan, they committed genocide, robberies, destruction and rapes. JI was then party to all heinous crimes committed by the army.

Again responsibility of killings of West Pakistanis in East Pakistan remained with West Pakistani rulers. Just watch the video in post #23.

[mAd_ScIeNtIsT]

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@Sachaydino

False perception or analysis far from the truth. There was no regular army of Bengali up to separation in 1971.

Your incredible ignorance of military history is absolutely astounding. You have completely ignored the existence of not only the East Pakistan Regiment, part of the standing regular army, which had 5 battalions raised from East Pakistan and 3 from West Pakistan, but you also ignored the fact that the overwhelming majority of officers of Bengali ethnicity were posted to non-Bengali regiments, mostly outside of East Pakistan. It was these Bengali officers who were in command positions in West Pakistan who found themselves, in late 1971, arrested and imprisoned without evidence of treason.

It was these officers who formed the backbone of the new Bangladeshi military following their release, and who supported the coups that followed the country’s creation and founded the BNP is the aftermath of military rule.

Here, I shall help you to rise of out your ignorance by posting a link that you can ready to educate and better yourself.

East Bengal Regiment

Don’t forget to post here afterwards thanking me for providing you with enlightenment.

[Sachaydino]

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@mAd_ScIeNtIsT

Your incredible ignorance of military history is absolutely astounding. You have completely ignored the existence of not only the East Pakistan Regiment, part of the standing regular army, which had 5 battalions raised from East Pakistan and 3 from West Pakistan, but you also ignored the fact that the overwhelming majority of officers of Bengali ethnicity were posted to non-Bengali regiments, mostly outside of East Pakistan. It was these Bengali officers who were in command positions in West Pakistan who found themselves, in late 1971, arrested and imprisoned without evidence of treason.

It was these officers who formed the backbone of the new Bangladeshi military following their release, and who supported the coups that followed the country’s creation and founded the BNP is the aftermath of military rule.

Here, I shall help you to rise of out your ignorance by posting a link that you can ready to educate and better yourself.
East Bengal Regiment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Don’t forget to post here afterwards thanking me for providing you with enlightenment.

I did not deny that. These regiment were made ineffective by creating new regiments in West Pakistan. According your link, it says

East Bengal Regiment Senior Tigers under Lieutenant Colonel Patterson as Commanding Officer (C.O.) and Major Abdul Waheed Choudhury as Officer Commanding (O.C.) Training Coy., the 2nd Battalion being formed soon after. ****
Between 1948 and 1965, a total of eight battalions were raised, with the 5th, 6th and 7th in West Pakistan.

However I agree with you I was little bit out of touch with the happenings during 1971 regarding foundation Bangladesh army. What I said in my posts are also the truth which is directly related to the thread.

This part is off the topic.

[Doppleganger]

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You do not like to concede a point, do you? I expect it from someone who is a jiyala, as after all, you have to be pretty "firm" err delusional for that to work.

EPR (later BDR that recently revolted) and EBR were different entities. The height requirements were lowered because of Bengalis (don't know why in the first place as gurkhas are short) but it is said that it was too little too late. One of E.Pak grievances was that there wasn't enough army in the region. PAF should've been bigger instead of the 1 squadron strength against multiple IAF squadrons and the indian navy carrier.

[mAd_ScIeNtIsT]

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@Doppleganger

One of E.Pak grievances was that there wasn't enough army in the region. PAF should've been bigger instead of the 1 squadron strength against multiple IAF squadrons and the indian navy carrier.

The defensive plan wasn't all that bad, in theory. Its execution in practice was completely bumbled by Niazi.

The constraint was that Pakistan did not have the strength to have strong forces in both East and West Pakistan. The more that military strength was divided between East and West, the easier it would be for India to deal with one of them at a time.

The plan called for a force of sufficient strength to only delay the Indian advance in East Pakistan with an elastic defence - one that would fall back before the Indian advance, preserving its strength while buying time until such a point where it could hold a smaller heavily fortified area around Dhaka nearly indefinitely. This was the era before India had enough air power to be decisive.

This would enable a concentration of force to attack from the West and drive for Delhi. If India committed a strong enough force to smash through the elastic defence, it would not be able to commit enough force to the defence in the west.

Niazi, however, did not follow the elastic defence plan. He insisted on units holding their positions to the end, to avoid conceding any territory to the Indian Army / Mukhti Bahini. This was a distaster. The Pakistani army in the East was easily divided into small pieces that sat in place until they were easily defeated, and by the time the Indian Army swiftly reached the final defensive positions there were not enough soldiers to hold the line (the plan required far more soldiers to be available than who were present at the seige of Dhaka).

With the war in the East wrapped up quickly, defeat in the West was inevitable once the units were redeployed, even more so given the setbacks that the attacks from the West faced.

A few extra squadrons or battalions in the East would not have been enough. Pakistan would have needed to move so many resources to the East as to make an attack from the West utterly impossible.

[TS]

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What I don’t understand is why Mujib-ur-Rehman was in Pakistan only 3 years after the murder and mayhem to attend the 1974 pan-Islamic conference and having pictures taken with Bhutto.

Talk about weird.

Or were they both playing a nasty joke with Pakistanis and had the whole thing set up amongst themselves including the Indians ?

Can somebody add that photo here that I saw in the history section a couple of months ago ?

[Doppleganger]

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I think that it was a bad plan that called for defense of East Pakistan through the West which didn't materialize due to the incompetence in West Pakistan. India wasn't even forced to commit more units to the western sector for such a strategy to work herer.

Russia can do such a scenario combined with scorch earth, but Pakistan, especially East Pakistan, would have to go on offense and perhaps take indian territory in North East to have negotiating power in the end. Even in Pakistan today, we follow an offensive / defensive strategy as only an elastic defense would allow for india to take vital areas in the east (sindh and punjab) which form the population and economy of Pakistan.

I have heard that indira gandhi wanted it done sooner, but the chiefs told her that monsoon would lead them to take the roads and Pakistan had a good chance of bloodying the indian army there. Some Pakistani frontier units fought bravely on their own (indians admit that), but indians with bengali know how could go around them and use weaknesses in the pakistani defenses to march to dhaka. We also have to admit that we were no japanese who fought till the end. Ultimately, it was a leadership failure in the officer corp like it was in kashmir in 1965 that gave indians time to regroup there. Since there is no accountability of the army, I would say things would not be that better in a new war considering the fact that army comes from the population and our culture has only deteriorated since 1947.

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This was the era before India had enough air power to be decisive.
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With Pakistan under "friendly sanctions", like we had a ton of planes to spare, you don't need USAF. I remember Israel made a lot of gains against Arabs in 1948 with initially only four smuggled Czech plans, one of which was shot down.

In fact, a solid plan by IDF led to Israel dominating the skies of Egypt, Jordan and Syria in 1967. The combined Arab strength was probably closer to or higher than that of the israeli air force at that time.

[Doppleganger]

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@TS

What I don’t understand is why Mujib-ur-Rehman was in Pakistan only 3 years after the murder and mayhem to attend the 1974 pan-Islamic conference and having pictures taken with Bhutto.

Talk about weird.

Or were they both playing a nasty joke with Pakistanis and had the whole thing set up amongst themselves including the Indians ?

Can somebody add that photo here that I saw in the history section a couple of months ago ?

Both got to rule their respective countries w/o sharing power, so what is not to love at that moment in time?

It is another issue that both died unnatural deaths, one more violently than the other like some sort of punishment for their egos.

[goodname]

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Sad that in addition to perpetrating the genocide of hundreds of thousands of Bengalis/Bangladeshis and the savage targeting of Bangladeshi intellectuals, Pakistan also used rape as a weapon against Bangladeshis during the Bangladesh war of independence. The Pakistani jingoists, demagogues, and the notorious "ghairat" brigade whose raison d'être seems to be finding faults with other nations should perhaps sometimes reflect upon their own misdeeds and the harrowing atrocities their own countrymen committed against Bangladeshis.

As far I remember a story of these unfortunate pregnant 3000 women and many under age were published in 1971 or 1972 National Geographic. **Instead of getting them freed from Indra Gandhi, Bhutto should have kept them in India rather than getting them freed and bringing back 95000 war criminals from India. They should have been Court Marshall **and shot or hanged for heinous crimes they had committed in former East Pakistan including for handing over East Pakistan on a platter to an Indian General. . JI was party to those crimes

While Pak quickly brought home those POWs--many of whom were no doubt guilty of war crimes and should've faced the music after being tried by the courts--Pak conveniently forgot the few hundred thousand innocent non-Bengali people in Bangladesh.

It’s true those non-Bengalis should’ve wholeheartedly given moral support to the Bengalis in their quest for independence. Their naive romanticism of Pakistan that most of them had probably never even set foot in was just that: naive. And even if they lacked prescience or in the 1960s and early 1970s it did not seem likely that Pakistan was hurtling toward failure sooner or later, the two-nation theory had pretty much started dying when the first calls for a separate homeland for Bengalis were made.

After Bangladesh’s creation, the assets and properties of non-Bengalis were seized and they were rounded up and dumped into 166 refugee camps managed by the Red Cross. In 1972, Bangladesh reportedly offered them citizenship, which 600,000 people chose while half a million opted for Pakistan. The people who opted for Pak are sometimes called “stranded Pakistanis.” But that’s a misnomer because while they were stranded and initially Pakistani citizens too, in 1978, Gen Zia-ul-Haq, in another fit of his habitual madness, passed an ordinance that stripped them of their Pakistani nationality, finally rendering them stateless.

Now, I’m very much sympathetic to Sindh’s concerns and sensitivities about demographic shifts and imbalances. But Punjabis make up the majority of post broken-up Pakistan’s population, and even in 1972, according to Wikipedia, there were over 37 million people in Punjab. So repatriating those 500,000 “stranded Pakistanis” would have hardly altered, much less diluted, the Punjabi character or composition of Punjab. But, curiously, Punjab didn’t accommodate those either.

Consequently, many of those people, along with their descendants are still languishing in “refugee camps” in Bangladesh, stripped of many of their basic rights and stateless thanks to Pakistan’s intransigence.

So why didn't Pak repatriate those non-Bengalis even though its government promised them that it would and even signed agreements with its Bangladeshi counterpart in that regard? Perhaps it was just due to political considerations. Or prejudices. Or perhaps, and more likely, an ugly combination of both politics and prejudices explains why. Whatever the case, some would call it treachery on the part of Pakistan. One more reason why more non-Bengalis should have been more vocal in their moral support of Bengalis when they were oppressed by Pakistan. But it's all hindsight now. Though perhaps there's a lesson for others.

[Sachaydino]

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@Doppleganger

You do not like to concede a point, do you? I expect it from someone who is a jiyala, as after all, you have to be pretty "firm" err delusional for that to work.

Read my post #27 again. This discussion is off topic.

[Sachaydino]

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@goodname

Sad that in addition to perpetrating the genocide of hundreds of thousands of Bengalis/Bangladeshis and the savage targeting of Bangladeshi intellectuals, Pakistan also used rape as a weapon against Bangladeshis during the Bangladesh war of independence. The Pakistani jingoists, demagogues, and the notorious "ghairat" brigade whose raison d'être seems to be finding faults with other nations should perhaps sometimes reflect upon their own misdeeds and the harrowing atrocities their own countrymen committed against Bangladeshis.

Pakistan government should ask for forgiveness from Bangladesh Government and pay compensation to people who suffered in this genocide and rape.

[diwana]

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Let's get to the basics.

West Pakistanis for one reason or other never liked Bengalis and used to make fun of them.

Bengalis or West Pakistanis were the major reason West Pakistan was able to even separate from Indian majority areas and make Pakistan.

They were in majority and West Pakistan was simply a group of different people with different background and language who would never been able to make a country as large as Pakistan had it not been for Bengalis to support the division.

West Pakistan should have respected East Pakistanis sentiments.

Urdu was made National language and that is fine.

But second language as Bengali was not really accepted by idiot nationalists in West Pakistan.

Evil intentions of India to take revenge, found this very much suitable ground to intervene and find excuses.

Pakistani Army indeed acted brutally and senselessly.

On the other hand, Bhutto as a SIndhi nationalist and not finding anything common or supportive for East Pakistanis forgetting that both parts of the world had religion as common denominator, acted irrationally and called them "Suoar Ke Bacchay"( "Piglets").

I agree, Yahyah was a drunkard, (who was found running naked in his compound drunk by his own employee) and a corrupt army leader.

Like most of retarded army leaders Pakistan had so far, he acted against East Pakistan.

Hence, East Pakistan found itself cornered by many different fronts and hatred.

*Even if ONE RAPE was committed by ANY Pakistani army person, it is wrong and a condemnable act. *

Also agree that those captured army people should have been given the punishment based on available account of crimes they committed and not be treated as heroes.

Yeah! You not only acted wrong, fought against Indian army cowardly and halfheartedly (unlike in 1965 when Lahore was attacked).

Pakistani Army fought against India with much more bravery than in East Pakistan, even killed its own countrymen/women.

Moreover, Pakistani army got itself surrendered with humiliation.

So why should they deserve any respect in this regard?????

Shame on those who try to find excuse to justify crimes against humanity.

[diwana]

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Pakistan government should ask for forgiveness from Bangladesh Government and pay compensation to people who suffered in this genocide and rape.

Agreed on principles.

[Sachaydino]

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@diwana

On the other hand, Bhutto as a SIndhi nationalist and not finding anything common or supportive for East Pakistanis forgetting that both parts of the world had religion as common denominator, acted irrationally and called them “Suoar Ke Bacchay”( “Piglets”).

That was unfortunate that leader of such caliber used racist and ugly language for the whole community. But I consider his major blunder was bringing back 95000 war criminals. Those involved in genocide and rape should have been punished according to crime they committed. It would have been much better if organizers and people involved in Al-Shams and Al-Badr genocide should have faced the same fate.

**Bangladesh hangs Jamaat leader for war crimes - DAWN.COM
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DHAKA: Bangladesh on Thursday hanged Abdul Quader Molla, a top Jamaat-e-Islami (JI) leader known as the “Butcher of Mirpur,” making him the first person to be put to death for massacres committed during the country’s bloody 1971 war of independence.

Deputy law minister Quamrul Islam announced the execution, saying Abdul Quader Molla, 65, a senior leader of the Jamaat-e-Islami party, was hanged by the neck at 10.01 pm (1601 GMT) in a jail in the capital Dhaka.

“It’s an historic moment. Finally after four decades, the victims of the genocides of 1971 liberation war have got some justice,” Islam told AFP.

[Captain1]

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@Khan4Life

You know what happened when Bangladesh lost against Pakistan in Asia Cup? They cried so badly and wanted the reversal of the decision and** later they declined the tour to Pakistan** just based on same reason and their people didn't even applause for Pakistani team on their win.

Not really, the reason they backed out of the tour was pressure from BCCI ;)

[diwana]

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That was unfortunate that leader of such caliber used racist and ugly language for the whole community. But I consider his major blunder was bringing back 95000 war criminals. Those involved in genocide and rape should have been punished according to crime they committed. It would have been much better if organizers and people involved in Al-Shams and Al-Badr genocide should have faced the same fate.

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Agree.

And if Al-Shams and Al-Badr indeed took part in genocide or even remotely supported any crimes, they should be punished.