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Smuggling guns is hardcore evidence.
Flashlights and fertilizer are not hardcore, and thus can be looked at objectively....instead of jumping to conclusions.
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When a member of the Khadr family in a wheel chair and others of same show up watch the proceedings and support the men arrested is absolutely discusting and revolting to me.
They themselves are an extremist family, mama and daughter well documented in TV interviews and the rest of the vile family members documented in their actions of training in Al Aqaeda camps and joining Pakistani extremist groups.
I as a modern muslim female am highly offended that these people are permitted to live in the west where every single freedom and opportunity is afforded.
Canada wake up!!! get rid of the spoils
There are many muslims who are educated, modern , peace loving and genuinely respectful of other religions and cultures who would dearly love to settle in the west and yet this filth is allowed to remain .
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Three bags full can be explained
Three tons full can be explained easily. Three tons to use for explosive purposes and nothing else! wake up and smell the wannabe murdererous plans.
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Make up the families?
Is that the proof you gave for muslims behind the “attack”. Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Indonesia, UK, inda, Spain**…Do you know what oppression the muslim world is going through? **
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Yes I know what oppression the muslim world is going through. Let’s see , the women in Afghanistan under MUSLIM RULE
Yes, the women of Saudia Arabia under MUSLIM RULE
Yes, the muderous muslims of one sect killing and blowing up muslims of another sect, in a MUSLIM RULE COUNTRY
MUSLIMS OF THE WORLD ARE OPPRESSED BY MUSLIM EXTREMISTS AND MUSLIM FUNDAMENTALISTS.
Ask any intelligent muslim who are truly the OPPRESSORS — ISLAMISTS.
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two men arrested at the US/Cdn. border for trying to smuggle guns/ammo into Canada two years ago. car that they were driving was rental. rental was booked on the credit card of an imaam. imaam is "suspected ring leader" of this cell and one of 17 arrested.
guess the two men must have been framed too, huh? border officials must have "slipped" the evidence into the car while they were searching it.
yOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, he rented the car, the other two strapped the weapons to their legs under their baggy pants. When caught they claimed self defence in case of being mugged etc. And now the same car renter buys fertilizer. Either he is innocent, cough, cough, choke, choke, or he sure does favors for nasty people with nefarious intent.
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9 /11 was never done by muslims. ( coz shahid masood said so)
Alqeda is a jewish scheame against muslims.
Osama is america’s drama.
muslims are opressed by west.
beheading of innocence ,serves them right.
terriorism is justified.
Insult whoever says other wise.
Truely feel for the "opressed “muslims living in some "unjust” state , enjoying every bit of freedom .Their families are all safe and sounds .Whats the harm for them in backing “others” to blow theirselves up and killing thousands. coz in the end "*WE ALL ARE BRAINWASHED AND IN REALITY NO MUSLIM IS INVOLVE IN THIS ". 
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interesting post. thanks for sharing
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A big LOL at three tons of ammonium nitrate and handguns not being "hardcore" evidence. Crescent, you are a gem. Really.
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Heres something to shine light on your narrow logic...
Something for you to umbrella...too bad a non muslim can see this objectively, and your tinsy brains can only base verdicts on subjective evidence. (the problem in the muslim world btw...muslims themselves..)
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Suppose, just suppose, that one or more of the 17 charged yesterday with terrorism is innocent.
This is not the common assumption. I suspect most Canadians assume that Ontario was in great danger from terrorists, that police nipped this danger in the bud and that all of the 12 adults and five young people they arrested are guilty.
All of which may be true. Terrorists do exist. There is the terror we don't think about, committed by nation states under the rubric of security sweeps or targeted reprisals. And there is the terror we do think about, the terrorism of misguided individuals, loons, right-wing militias or Al Qaeda and its Islamist acolytes.
Militant Islamists have committed outrages in the United States, Indonesia, Spain and Britain to counter what they see as the crimes of these countries against Muslims. There is no obvious reason to assume that similar criminals won't try the same thing here.
All of which is to say that the Mounties may be absolutely correct when they say they stopped the 17 from using homemade detonators and three tonnes of fertilizer to blow up as yet unspecified targets in southern Ontario.
There may indeed have been a terrorist conspiracy that involved what the RCMP assistant commissioner Mike McDonell yesterday referred to as "training areas," where militants tramped about in big boots, cooked on outdoor barbecues, built bombs and used a wooden door for target practice.
That's the implication from the evidence shown to reporters yesterday: *five pairs of boots in camouflage drab, six flashlights, one set of walkie-talkies, one voltmeter, one knife, eight D-cell batteries, a cellphone, a circuit board, a computer hard drive, one barbecue grill, one set of tongs suitable for turning hot dogs, a wooden door with 21 marks on it and a 9-mm handgun. *
Or it is possible that the only thing that these bits of evidence prove is that a group of young men went somewhere where they tramped around in big boots, cooked on barbecues, played soldier and generally acted like jerks — which young men are occasionally wont to do.
The three tonnes of ammonium nitrate allegedly purchased was, as McDonell said, three times the amount used in the Oklahoma terror bombing of 1995.
But, as he also said, farmers routinely buy three tonnes of ammonium nitrate "every day." They use it for fertilizer, not bombs.
In short, we don't know much yet about what these men and boys were trying to do. We don't know if this series of arrests, called Operation O-Sage by the Mounties, pre-empted the kind of actions that in the United Kingdom led to last year's bombing of the London subway by otherwise unremarkable young Britons.
That's one possibility. It's certainly the explanation favoured by Prime Minister Stephen Harper, who yesterday praised the police.
Another is that this is a reprise of the infamous 2003 Project Thread fiasco, in which RCMP and immigration officials accused 23 Muslims of terrorism only to acknowledge later that at most the men were guilty of minor immigration fraud.
Still another possibility is that this may turn out to be Canada's version of the 2004 Virginia "paintball" trial, in which one man was sentenced to life and another got 85 years.
In that controversial case (even the presiding judge complained the outcome was unfair), nine Muslim men were convicted of participating in terrorist training — the main evidence being that they had played paintball in the woods outside Washington.
What we do know about Operation O-Sage is that the RCMP, as well as the Canadian Security Intelligence Service, have been tracking the suspects since 2004. We also know that at least some of their neighbours knew police were watching them. Presumably, some of the suspects did, too.
If the alleged conspirators knew they were under surveillance, it seems odd that they continued along merrily with plans to make explosives.
But perhaps they are not bright terrorists. Or perhaps they are not terrorists at all.
TORONTO STAR
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Anyone can buy 3 tonnes, as i mentioned before the gardeners bring it in a 5 tonne truck when they come to do ur lawn.
So youre kinda stupid to label it as something "terrorist like".
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Define “hardcore evidence” first, genius 
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And you don’t see the relationship between the smuggling guns incident and the fertilizer?
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In 2003, the Toronto Star broke the story of Project Thread. There were no elaborate news conferences or announcements of the arrests, but rather a quiet tip from someone in the community asking if the newspaper knew foreign students were being held without charges as suspected terrorists?
Without the value of hindsight, the four-page summary of the allegations in the case looked equally as chilling as those made this week. The 22 Pakistani students and one Indian national were in Canada illegally and seemed to be engaged in suspicious activity, which included unexplained fires in their apartments, possible surveillance of Pickering's nuclear power plant, and there was a pilot, prompting ominous thoughts of the 2001 hijackings.
At a detention hearing for one of the men, an immigration official said investigators were looking into a potential "Al Qaeda sleeper cell," and that vanloads of evidence were being dissected.
But in the end, the case dissolved into a routine immigration matter of which there are thousands each year. In this case, however, the men returned home branded terrorists.
One of the students, 33-year-old Sajjad Ahmad, is now living in Lahore, Pakistan, and when contacted by the Star in March said he was still unsettled.
"I had a minor violation of the immigration rules and they portrayed me as a terrorist of the world. ... I don't want any sort of an apology. I just want them to stand up and say we're innocent."
The review agency for the RCMP cleared the police force of any wrongdoing and immigration officials refuse to comment on the case.
I came across this artice in today's Toronto Star 06/13/06.
This would be good for us to think about when discussing the current 'Terrror SUSPECTS'
Re: "17 Terror Arrests in Toronto"/ Toronto Trial - merged threads
Another incident reported on BBC News. This event took place over the weekend.
Raid brother tells of death fears
The brothers said they feared for their lives during the raid
The man who was shot during an anti-terrorist raid in east London has said he feared he would be killed.
Abul Koyair, 20, and his injured brother Mohammed Abdul Kahar, 23, were released without charge a week after the raid on their Forest Gate home.
Mr Kahar said: "I thought one by one they're going to kill us. At that time I thought I was going to die."
The police earlier said they were acting on "specific intelligence" that a chemical device was in the house.
According to the brothers' lawyer, the unsuccessful police search included digging up plants in the garden and drilling holes in the shower.
Mr Kahar said he "had no idea" who spoke to the police, prompting the raid.
"From my point of view the person who did this they have terrorised me and my family," he said.
Speaking at a press conference, Mr Kahar said he was in great pain when he was taken to the hospital with a gunshot wound, saying: "It seemed like fire. I was burning."
At one point Mr Kahar broke down in tears as he described the raid, involving 250 police, which he initially thought was a robbery.
He described the moment when he was shot. "We both had eye contact, he shot me straight away," he said.
"I just saw an orange spark and a big bang. I flew into the wall, slipped down. There was blood coming down my chest. I knew I was shot.
"It's ruined my life from the day, from the time they entered my house. It's turned my life upside down."
He alleged he was dragged from the house onto the street where an officer applied pressure to the wound. It was only then Mr Kahar said he realised that police were involved.
He said he had been unable to sleep since the raid.
"I can't go sleep, I keep on having flashbacks, I can't go sleep with the light off. I feel fear when the room is dark."
Mr Koyair also gave his version of what happened during the police raid.
"All of a sudden my brother went down the second sets of stairs and I heard a loud bang, and it was a big flash and then after that everything was so quiet," he said.
"No-one said nothing, I thought it was like a dream at first, no-one was speaking, saying anything.
"After about one, two minutes I realised that this is not a dream. I realised that my own brother got shot for no reason."
Police application
When asked if the Metropolitan Police chief Sir Ian Blair should resign over the raid, Mr Kahar said: "I believe I shouldn't have been shot."
Mr Koyair added: "We feel that whoever is responsible should be put to justice. Sir Ian Blair, whoever gave the order for this to happen."
The brothers, who had been held under the Terrorism Act 2000, were released on 10 June after police found no trace of an alleged chemical device at their home.
The solicitor for the two brothers reportedly said they planned to sue the police, but Mr Kahar said: "I am not interested in money at all. I want everyone to be brought before the courts for the way I was shot."
He was more interested in getting an apology from the police.
"I want everyone that was involved, whoever gave the order for the raid to happen, for the shot to go off, everyone involved to apologise."
The police have defended the raid and the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) is investigating.
The director of campaign group Liberty, Shami Chakrabarti, said questions remained about the "appropriateness of [police] action".
She did not want to prejudge any official scrutiny of the raid, but added: "We also have to concerned about the shot and why that was necessary."
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ohoo, thats bad…every farmer in canada is a terrorist. (ofcourse by your logic 
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Oh my! everyone has flashlights! shoot…thats "hardcore evidence’’ for you…we must certainly all be terrorist! aaah! Scary world, genius.
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You still haven’t defined what “hardcore evidence” is, Einstein. Is there also a “softcore evidence” in your dictionary ? Pray tell.
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lol is this what you resort to when you have nothing better to say?
its ok i understand, keep dodging the questions at hand
keep rolling around, atleast you can do something then to say something “smart”. I don’t expect anything productive from someone who doesn’t understand this case at all.
on a side note: Here is some **“justice” being served to those in custody. **
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ok so the day this happened.. we had like 20 reporters call our house asking for info.. cuz my dad and brothers are kinda really involved with the muslim community.. and two of the dudes were from our city which is 3 hrs away frm toronto. alrite.. so that day everyone was kinda freaked out. but then we realized later that noone knew these two ppl.. and it was SO weird… like in our city everyone knos everyone. and it was like holy crap who r these ppl… and anyway it was weird cuz at our youth group and stuff we had councilers come in and like give us advice on how to deal with any mean stuff related to ths that might happen in school or watever.. not that it would really happen.. cuz who ever tried to bug anyone would get their ass dissed by the “cool” muslim kids. .. and i dunno i feel really bad… like honestly.. i dont want this to happen in canada. this terrorist stuff is bad enough already.. and i dunno it might just all be a propaganda or conspiracy .. i have no idea… but like i dunno im thinking from .. (a youths point of view) that i wanna live in a muslim country when im older.. i mean .. i would hate to move.. i really like where we live but i guess in north america its becoming really hard to practice the amount of islam sum ppl might want to without facing alot of discrimination.. like my mom wears scarf. iwould die if anyone said sumthing like “terrorist” or sumthing to her at the mall:bummer:
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You are the one who posts garbage articles from the Star in your defence in every post, not me! Even the non-Muslim Canadians have spoken out against labeling these shmucks as “terrorists” until proven guilty, so don’t blame and whine about the Canadians or me. Blame your idiotic Muslim pals who were caught trafficking handguns at the border and with shtloads of ammonium nitrate for a mosque that apparently did not need any gardening :o . Chow.*
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yeah, ofcourse they're garbage...why wouldn't they be garbage to u :) u can't stand being objective.