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Witch Hunt...with conservatives in power, lack of progress on the farce on terror, something had to be done... and these poor Maple Musclemans did the trick...
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Do you know the reason of current paranoia? Muslims have lost trust in each other and the west does not make an effort to understand it. They think Islam and its core is at fault, which is wrong and at the same time they do not realize their mistakes.
I apologize for going a little bit off topic but....
When Hadita happened, U.S as usual tried to cover up the mass murder, claiming that they were intially blowing up by IED. Investigation are going on and republicans are running around like its the end of the world. Meanwhile the streets of Arab capitals, recently ablaze over the Danish Mohammed cartoon controversy, are quiet. The reason for this simple: For Iraqis, American atrocities are old news, dating back to the invasion in March 2003 and a full decade earlier. They need no prove that a lie has been told and more casualties are yet to come.
Also, we don't see any war protest in the streets of United States. The reason of it simple: how many war critics we see on TV? How many of them are giving free time and light? None....
We are living in paranoia and my religion and identity is the only thing I trust now.
True, if some people can just discover their identity to began with. :(
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But your final paragraph sums it up.......it is only proper to be paranoid. And I'd rather be paranoid enough to detain, question, arrest and try potentially innocent people (who in the end will definitely be vindicated) than to allow suspicious activity that may lead to hundreds if not thousands of lives being lost.
If you were following what I was saying, it should be abundantly clear that I am not at all against the detention, or even the trial. I don't think you're fully cognizant of what the anti-terrorism legislation implies. All I can say is that I hope sanity prevails.
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Au contraire lajjo, some people may be of the opinion that justice needs to e served and some may be dismayed that people who happen to share the same religion as them continue to try and blow up innocent people in the name of religion.
Yeah I curse the day Islam came in the limelight due to the actions of yet another set of nutjobs twisting my faith to suit their own political ideologies. But that was also the day that I decided that letting freaks and mullahs dictate the image of my religion were long gone and that I could nto sit quiet. That I could nto sit back like I did in college wen assorted mullahs declared each other kafirs and non muslims and fought on whether shias and sunnis can pray jummah together, or whether shias get to pray behind sunnis or vice versa.
Yes people are concenred for own safety, but people are also focused on making sure that extremist rodents amongst our midst are rooted out, by kicking out foaming at the mouth jahil mullahs from our masajid and replacing them with educated sensible people who would really teach people about religion rather than using the pulpit to become political spinsters like those seen on fox. My religious identity does not mean that I support every muslim whether he is right or wrong, my religious identity does not mean that I become an automaton and not speak up even if it is an unpopular view, my religious identity does not mean I dont question the motives, actions, statements and duplicacy of so calld religious leaders or psychotic groups like mohajiroun or hizb ul tahrir.
Yes if these people are innocent then they sould get full pardons, apologies and have great grounds to go sue the authorities, and yes maybe things could have been handled by authorities in a different manner, but in the end, if these people are intent on blowing up innocent people in the name of my faith, then I am against them, their benefactors, their supporters, and their fan base.
tell me something lajawab. if you knew someone who was planning on blowing up a bunch of innocent ppl, what would you do.. oh yah you would talk to him and try to persuade him not to, but what else? what if the person is not listening. Will you go to authorities and stop a tragedy and thus become a ‘useful’ muslim or would you rather sit back and see bunch of innocent ppl get blown to bits?
tell me
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I am already seeing and already saw a bunch of innocent people being blown to bits…In Iraq, Afghanistan, Kashmir, Chechnya, Kosova, Palestine e.t.c…
Also, I am sure many others tried to talk to those perpetrating these crimes to cease and stop because it is wrong…But, their families, friends and God knows who got blown up because their voices would not be heard…
It’s like when the absolutely peaceful and violence abhorring Tibetans were run over by the Chinese, they too resorted to violence as act of desperation…But their efforts were too late and too little…They were almost wiped out…The Dalai Lama was almost killed…The sacred and forbidden city of Lhasa was trampled under Chinese military boots and the Buddhists lost the only city they had…
Did going to authorities help them? And who were the authorities? The Chinese, the same people who were killing them…
Today, if a Buddhist ties a bomb around his waist and enters the Chinese parliament and blows himself up, all I can say is that the Chinese got what they deserved…They brought it upon themselves because they pushed a people to such desperation…
And I am a Useful Muslim only if my acts support those who need it…If I can raise my voice stop a crime, then I am a Useful Muslim…But what good is raising a voice when there is no one to listen?
Some people resort to actions when words are exhausted…What good is a Useful Muslim when his screams cannot stop the genocide of other Muslims but when he whispers that Fraudia or Lajawab are terrorists, the whole nation springs to attention…
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does that mean that othe rinncoents blown to bits by extremists on buses in Israel or in Mosques in pakistan or Iraq, etc dont matter, what about innocent ppl who died in London, or in Spain?
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Whether or not somoen tried to talk morons out of their idiotic hatred, and whether or not no one listened to what these idiots had to say does not give these idiots a right to go and kill innocent people. whether their voices were heard or not.. I dont recall any passage in Quran that says that if yer voices are not being heard go and kill some random folks.
So you still did not answer my question, the answer is a simple yes or no.
if you knew someone was plotting to go and blow up innocent ppl, will you call the authorities?
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Prophet of Allah:swt: Syedana Muhammad Bin Abdullah :saw: said **Do not curse the time for time is from Allah:swt: [and cursing time means one is cursing Allah:swt:] **
Naa’ozu Billah
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okay so I despise the day.. happy.
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^
If you understand it does not make an iota of a difference if I am happy or not.
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^ as far as what you think, Frankly my dear, I dont give a damn ;)
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I have read responses with similar tones in the history of time dated 1400 years back..
please continue.
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Hey Lajjo, you should not say people actually “curse” the day, you could use better terms such as dislike.
Prophet of Allah Syedana Muhammad Bin Abdullah said Do not curse the time for time is from Allah [and cursing time means one is cursing Allah]
Naa’ozu Billah
Your Brother in Islam
Pir Fraudia Rehmat Allah Eleh
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yawn whatever
The movie was not released until 1939
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:saw:
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you read responses in the movie? WOW
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nope, I did not say anywhere that i "read" responses in the movie.
Typical Anwar, making stuff up :)
by the way technically it is very possible to read responses. ever heard of captiosn or subheadings? :) they are not haram are they
P.S. good attempt at helping yer buddy avoid the question btw. clap clap clap..shabaash
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you are right... some of them curse because they do not know what they are doing. They really are bugs in the rugs [metaphorically]
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so anwar since u have so much time do u care to answer teh simple question that i posed 
if you knew someone was plotting to go and blow up innocent ppl, will you call the authorities?
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typical fraudia 
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typical mullah ;)