12-year-old girl dies while giving birth

I defend the concept of peace and mutual co-existence.

Sorry if this concept may seem alien to you.

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Taken from Facts and Statistics on Marriage - Marriage - Families.com

A well known fact is that in previous history, people married very young, simply because we didn’t live that long. During the 1800’s it was not uncommon for people to marry in their mid-teens; in the 1400’s you got married as young as 12 ( A boy was considered a man, a girl was a woman as soon as she had her first menstrual cycle), something that was extremely common but would be viewed as scandalous in America today. (Currently, Muslim girls can marry at age 12.) Over 50 countries allow marriage at 16, including the United States. Some states require parental permission while others do not. Now that you know some of the facts and statistics surrounding marriage, you will be able to voice your opinion more articulately because you are educated on the subject. There is a difference sometimes between opinions and fact-sometimes a huge difference-and an informed opinion always hold more water than an ignorant one.

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If she was raped does it change or contradict what I wrote? You really are slow. Besides any sex with a minor would be classfied as rape anyway by the authorities where it is illegal.

You defend the slaughter of innocent Palestinians. How can you live with yourself and get a decent nights sleep? Don't you have a conscious?

Again you are missing the point.

Long ago cigarettes were considered good…now they cause lung cancer

Slavery was practiced…now its considered one of the worst crimes in history…

what happened hundreds of years before is irrelevant…

this event happened today and you cannot defend it by saying hey they used to do the same thing in medieval Europe 900 years ago…

What is wrong will be wrong and remain wrong…no matter what…

Only to a person with an IQ in single digits will I appear in such a manner.

I defend peace. I condemn Israeli actions against Palestinians, I attended rallies against israeli actions when they attacked gaza in january.

But to your extremist mind set...anything short of calling Israel's destruction, I will appear to be supporting Israel.

Anyways...no need convincing people like you....the hatred of non-muslims is ingrained in your head.

Yeah whatever. You can fool some people but you cannot fool all the people.

I don't hate non- muslims I don't even hate you, and you are a lot worse than non-muslims, for you are a Zionist agent. Again I say to you to get out and about and meet the real muslim on streets going in about in their everyday lives and perhaps that would reduce your paranoia.

hahahaahahahahahaahahahahahah :rotfl:

Exactly.

Even if a young girl has started her periods her body isn't necessarily physically ready to handle the stress of actually giving birth and as has already been pointed out 12 and 13yr-olds having consensual sex (as messed up as it is) in the West is not the same as being forced or coerced into marriage and sex.

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If most of you stop defending the acts of fellow Muslims when in the wrong and actually condemn this, we would get somewhere. And I mean somewhere instead of regressing into the defence of sick cultural traditions that have no place in Islam.

But noooo, some of you would rather try to emulate an Arab instead of being proud of your own culture and ethnicity. :rolleyes: Honestly, who the Hell marries a 11 year old? I can’t believe anyone would defend this.

Yemen was inducted into the United Nations in 1947. Effective from 1990, the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child has been ratified by every member nation except for two, since 1998.

Yemen, having ratified this act is bound under international law to uphold it's tenets-- including that of the citizens of the nation.

Child marriage violates this law, and perpetrators should be held accountable not only in local, but international criminal courts.

Summary of the above point: What happened to the child is illegal under international law, as upheld by the ratification of said act by Yemen itself. Where's the relativism now?

A. Rape is rape, and it is immoral, unjust, and an atrocity under any midline or higher moral reasoning. It should especially be seen as such by one able to look at it from outside the cultural bias. But we would hope that such a viewpoint not be held by an apologetic sociopath.

Regardless of what age a person loses their virginity, the base issues are respect for women, and the right of every person no matter their age or sex to choose whether or not they engage in intercourse and with whom they do so.

B. You do not know the attitude of such children being sold off. Furthermore, even if they approach the situation with some form of compliance, you fail to consider the psychological background and conditioning which relegate such women to accepting and even upholding such roles as being little more than chattel.

What makes me think that my viewpoint is better? Let's address them.

  1. I'm more than familiar with cultural and moral relativism. Relativism ENDS when one leaves the field. Relativism does NOT denote a lack of opinion. It merely demands when reporting one's findings, one do so with no or at least minimal personal bias. This is a forum. This isn't fieldwork. No one is studying this situation firsthand. We are more than allowed to form an opinion.

  2. Every single person has the right and the obligation to step in to prevent or end such atrocities. We are not factions or groups held together by a fragile net. We are a global community. And EVERY SINGLE injustice effects EVERYONE in one way or another..

  3. Refusing to uphold the rights of others is the same as perpetrating the injustice on them yourself. If you do not condemn rape, then you are no better than a rapist.

  4. Consent is consent. Coercion, force, or otherwise is not. A 14 year old choosing to screw around and drink has nothing to do with this young child being cast off into an islamically unjust marriage where she became the victim of sexual exploitation by a so called husband. Whatever your moral leanings on the former may be, they have no correlation to the subject of discussion.

5.Self harm is consensual. Rape is not.

6.Our way of life has nothing to do with this. Rape is bad. Forced marriage is bad. Islam says so, international law says so, and the victim feels so.

  1. Again, our "western ways," have nothing to do with it. Rape is deemed bad in the west as well, yet it still happens. You may choose to sit idly by and shrug at such suffering, but others choose not to. We don't justify, excuse, or condone it. Not giving a damn is the same as committing the crime.

Summary- consent is consent. Learn to differentiate between coercion, force, and consent. And please, stop bringing unrelated issues into the topic. It detracts from the subject at hand, and wastes time.

No. Puberty is a process. Menstruation often begins at the onset-- leaving ample time for further development.

I do wonder though, if one is unable to emphathize or at least sympathize with the plights of others, does the fault lie with the parents, or is it simply due to bad wiring?

^^^point well made

Yeh, I always thought that adrian grenier was a Zionist agent! :silly:

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^^ nice eye

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Such a shame they should arrest the husband and the parents of the girl.

Correct me if I am wrong but child marriages as you call them are not covered by The United Nations Convention On The Rights Of The Child but generally by Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women (1979). Article 16 of the convention does not specify an age limit for marriage. It requests the individual states to set a limit themselves. Therefore in this case my understanding is that it was not a child marriage as such or against UN convention. Even if such was not the case, the UN would only bind Yemen to enact the law (providing that Yemen ratified the Convention, it would be free to decide the age limit itself for marriage), until such laws are not enacted the actions of people are totally legal. Therefore I am inclined to say that their cultural ways should be respected until laws are enacted that make marriage at the age of 12, 13, 14 , 15, or 16 illegal.

Yeah let’s respect female infanticide, honor killings, female genital mutilation, and other abominable acts. After all, it is their culture and it should be respected :rolleyes:

People here are too quick to bring up the ills of the West in order to cover up the faults of the Muslim world. If the West is so evil, and the Muslim world so much better, why haven’t you or anyone else packed up and made hijrah already? Talk is cheap bro.

And I wonder why people bring up all the ills of muslims to cover up West even though they are muslims :rolleyes: And even some muslims are evil but West is always more evil after all they are non-muslims with no system. Why fighting when they are both the same :faizy:

It is truly a shame that the parents should have been arrested. Atleast the husband should have been spared. The husband needs to lookout for his next underaged girl to marry..

This guy should have been glorified for doing things the right way...

Then why is it that we have long queues outside the western embassies in most of the so called Islamic countries.