Re: 12-year-old girl dies while giving birth
Why bring religion into this ? Nowhere in this article has Islam/Islamic law been blamed for this tragedy.
If at all, the article blames poverty/tribal customs.
Re: 12-year-old girl dies while giving birth
Re: 12-year-old girl dies while giving birth
It is sad what happened to the girl. However we are looking at it from a certain angle. Many people in muslim countries would equally find shocking the fact that young girls in the west have sex before marriage, usually with multiple partners (including one night stand), drink alcohol and smoke cigarettes. We need to respect the cultural differences, rather than imposing our culture on others.
Re: 12-year-old girl dies while giving birth
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Re: 12-year-old girl dies while giving birth
Yup. read the article before I saw the post..and it is more to demonize the east and Islam rather than present medical facts.
Women of all ages die during child birth, and women of very young age give birth all the time. Not sure about what that age is ..... I am sure people can google that.
Re: 12-year-old girl dies while giving birth
wat a DOG KAMINA MANHOOS INSAAN WOULD DO THAT TO HIS OWN DAUGHTER! UGHHHHH THIS NEWS JUST MADE MY DAY COMPLETELY BAD!
But those are the Muslims lawmakers words - that the law is un-Islamic, and not a portrayal by the media (which happens to be Arab) or the West.
Am I missing something here ?
**i'm NOT saying its ok. isn't that whats happening in the western world, so called civilized west. i see around me teens getting pregnant and left alone to take care of the baby.
in islam its allowed to marry a woman who starts getting periods that signifies her maturity as an adult. its the western concept that a girl becomes an adult at age 18. well, teenage girls are becoming mothers thats why we say here that kids are having kids.
christian cults have been openly doing that and on tp of that they are marrying them off to muchh much older men.**
GO F@#@ YOURSELF
It is sad what happened to the girl. However we are looking at it from a certain angle. Many people in muslim countries would equally find shocking the fact that young girls in the west have sex before marriage, usually with multiple partners (including one night stand), drink alcohol and smoke cigarettes. We need to respect the cultural differences, rather than imposing our culture on others.
Sorry I disagree....
A dad forcing a 11 year old girl to marry a old man...is different than a girl chooses to have sex or drink....
The difference is choice and consent. In the case of the Yemeni girl, she had no choice and an adult made the decision to marry her off and then another adult got her pregnant at the age of 11 and she died as a consequence of those actions.
Yup. read the article before I saw the post..and it is more to demonize the east and Islam rather than present medical facts.
Women of all ages die during child birth, and women of very young age give birth all the time. Not sure about what that age is ..... I sure people can google that.
oh really....how many instances can you recall of an 11 year old girl dying during child birth in which she agreed to get married and have a child?
Sorry I disagree....
A dad forcing a 11 year old girl to marry a old man...is different than a girl chooses to have sex or drink....
The difference is choice and consent. In the case of the Yemeni girl, she had no choice and an adult made the decision to marry her off and then another adult got her pregnant at the age of 11 and she died as a consequence of those actions.
I stated previously that you are looking at it from a certain cultural perspective. Who is to say that one culture is better than another. If people are happy with their culture then I am happy for them. I am not one to judge them.
In this case the father made a decision in the interest of his family and his daughter. The daughter agreed to get married and naturally as a couple they tried to have a baby but unfortunately she died.
It would have been better for her to marry a few years later. It would have been better to wait a few years before trying for a baby. That is as far as I will go. I have no right to tell others how to run their lives. I will not try to impose the western cultural viewpoint on others. I know from experience that we should appreciate our cultural differences as that is part of being human and understanding our humanity.
I stated previously that you are looking at it from a certain cultural perspective. Who is to say that one culture is better than another. If people are happy with their culture then I am happy for them. I am not one to judge them.
In this case the father made a decision in the interest of his family and his daughter. The daughter agreed to get married and naturally as a couple they tried to have a baby but unfortunately she died.
It would have been better for her to marry a few years later. It would have been better to wait a few years before trying for a baby. That is as far as I will go. I have no right to tell others how to run their lives. I will not try to impose the western cultural viewpoint on others. I know from experience that we should appreciate our cultural differences as that is part of being human and understanding our humanity.
Again you are wrong...Its not as cut and dry as that
1st of all, the Father did make a decision for the interest for his family but not for his daughter.
At 11...no one is ready for marriage...doesnt matter what culture you belong to...your are medically and physically not ready for marriage...
2nd, the daughter had no say in the matter. How are you assuming she did?
Condemn things which are wrong.
Don't use the absurd logic that if somehow you condemn some people for their stupid behavior and if they turned out to be Muslim then you are condemning Muslims.
No where does in Islam say that a girl can be married at 11. This is condemning tribalism, and backwardness and not Islam.
Notice that I did not use Islam, Muslims, Arabs, in the title of this thread, but said 12 year old girl dies while giving birth.
For you to interject Islam to defend all stupid muslims is a cop out.
The daughter agreed to get married and naturally as a couple they tried to have a baby but unfortunately she died.
I highly doubt that she was in complete agreement to get married knowing what she is getting herself into and I highly doubt that it was "couple's" mutual decision to have a baby. When you breed a cow and want to get rid of it for an exchange for Goods, this is the outcome of it.
^^ no one forces girls in the west to marry...they marry or get pregnant due to their own choice
but here...her dad forced her to get married when she was 11
There's no such concept in Western nations, sex with a minor being deemed a case of rape. If the partner was also underaged, it's still not considered kosher...although neither party is legally at fault.
Do underage child births happen in the West? You betcha.
In both cases, it's a clear abdication of responsibility by the parents...
Again you are wrong...Its not as cut and dry as that
1st of all, the Father did make a decision for the interest for his family but not for his daughter.
At 11...no one is ready for marriage...doesnt matter what culture you belong to...your are medically and physically not ready for marriage...
2nd, the daughter had no say in the matter. How are you assuming she did?
Condemn things which are wrong.
Don't use the absurd logic that if somehow you condemn some people for their stupid behavior and if they turned out to be Muslim then you are condemning Muslims.
No where does in Islam say that a girl can be married at 11. This is condemning tribalism, and backwardness and not Islam.
Notice that I did not use Islam, Muslims, Arabs, in the title of this thread, but said 12 year old girl dies while giving birth.
For you to interject Islam to defend all stupid muslims is a cop out.
So you are a better judge of the interests of the daughter than her own father?
If you are all able to conceive then nature is telling you that you are able to marry, now if it is culturally acceptable or not is a different issue altogether.
Notice that I didn't use Islam, muslims or arabs either. It is an issue about cultures.
So you are a better judge of the interests of the daughter than her own father?
No in this case I used common sense.
A child of 11 is not ready for marriage, its common sense.
Just as driving fast, drinking while driving or not wearing a seatbelt....is also stupid. I don't need to be the parent of a person to pass judgement on such matters.
I hope that is clear for you.
If you are all able to conceive then nature is telling you that you are able to marry, now if it is culturally acceptable or not is a different issue altogether.
Kids at 5 or 6 can pull triggers on guns...does that mean they are ready to be soldiers?
Think before you actually respond
Notice that I didn't use Islam, muslims or arabs either. It is an issue about cultures.
good for you...but you are the one who suddenly believed this to be some vast conspiracy against muslims
I highly doubt that she was in complete agreement to get married knowing what she is getting herself into and I highly doubt that it was "couple's" mutual decision to have a baby. When you breed a cow and want to get rid of it for an exchange for Goods, this is the outcome of it.
Perhaps Jal Pari you or I couldn't imagine someone getting married until they are at least 16 years old, just because we have been bought up this way but for other people and cultures it might be totally fine. Perhaps it wasn't a mutual decision to have a baby, I don't know I wasn't there with the couple but surely when you get married a natural outcome is having sex and babies otherwise what is the point in marrying? There is an underlying understanding that they would have a sexual relationship after marriage. Isn't there?
No in this case I used common sense.
A child of 11 is not ready for marriage, its common sense.
Just as driving fast, drinking while driving or not wearing a seatbelt....is also stupid. I don't need to be the parent of a person to pass judgement on such matters.
I hope that is clear for you.
Kids at 5 or 6 can pull triggers on guns...does that mean they are ready to be soldiers?
Think before you actually respond
It is common sense for you, but say you were born in a different part of the world, where it was acceptable and it had been done for centuries or thousands of years....you would think that it was common sense to get married at the age of 12.
Guns are not natural...being able to have children and sex is natural.
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good for you...but you are the one who suddenly believed this to be some vast conspiracy against muslims
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I think since you are so anti-arabs and pro-zionists that you automatically bring muslims and arabs into the equation even when I never mentioned any religions but just mentioned culture....it could be the culture of some South American tribe for all I care.
It is common sense for you, but say you were born in a different part of the world, where it was acceptable and it had been done for centuries or thousands of years....you would think that it was common sense to get married at the age of 12.
Then we must work to end this barbaric practice.
Just as slavery was one common, or human sacrifices.
Guns are not natural...being able to have children and sex is natural.
At 11, ask any doctor, a child is not ready to have children or get married.
I think since you are so anti-arabs and pro-zionists that you automatically bring muslims and arabs into the equation even when I never mentioned any religions
Your assumption that I am pro-zionist is driven by the fact that as a muslim I don't march in lock step with you in my hatred of Jews or Israel. But that is what will happen to someone like you who usually get brainwashed from childhood in hating a certain group rather than thinking pro-active thinking or rational thought.
but just mentioned culture....it could be the culture of some South American tribe for all I care.
Yes and you would not be out on a limb defending South American tribes.
The only reason you are sticking your neck out on this case is because she is arab and muslim and you feel that by condemning their actions you somehow condemn all muslims.
Grow Up
Then we must work to end this barbaric practice.
Just as slavery was one common, or human sacrifices.
At 11, ask any doctor, a child is not ready to have children or get married.
Your assumption that I am pro-zionist is driven by the fact that as a muslim I don't march in lock step with you in my hatred of Jews or Israel. But that is what will happen to someone like you who usually get brainwashed from childhood in hating a certain group rather than thinking pro-active thinking or rational thought.
Yes and you would not be out on a limb defending South American tribes.
The only reason you are sticking your neck out on this case is because she is arab and muslim and you feel that by condemning their actions you somehow condemn all muslims.
Grow Up
Haha seriously you are a fruitcake. I have never been brainwashed. You know nothing of my childhood. Unlike you I wasn't transported to the west. My grandad came here over 50 years ago. I grew up in a small town with white folks. I am not even that religious I am a secular muslim. I know jews in real life and had business dealings with them, and all my friends are secular. All my family are professional members. I don't even know a religious muslim in real life.
So tell me what is the rational way to think of Israel? Your narrow minded pro-zionist mind cannot accept that a person attacking zionists is a secular type.
I think you are just too much caught up in your own propoganda that you actually believe it is true now.