Re: 11 suspects in British anti-terror raids Pakistanis: police
Those who were working full time and not studying while on a student visa should be deported for violation of their student visa.
The rest should be allowed to stay and continue to study.
Re: 11 suspects in British anti-terror raids Pakistanis: police
They were tracking them from before they obtained their visas on some suspicion. They ahd to arrest them early on after their intel chief exposed secrets by mistake and could not build case against them in time.
No, the police were ready to arrest them at their houses that week. They had even drawn up letters to be mailed on April 9th to those who lived near the suspects explaining the raid on their houses.
The police only acted 2 days ahead of their original schedule. Evidently they had wire tap intelligence and intelligence that MI6 agents inside Pakistan had given them only; not actualy hard evidence. They had expected to find hard evidence after the arrests.
One of the key things behind the date of the arrents is that the suspects had apparently been recorded saying that they would do something on the Easter Long Weekend.... police had thought this was a code for an attack but apparently all that they were planning was to get together or something!
Which is the scary part. If it could happen to them; it could happen to us.
Re: 11 suspects in British anti-terror raids Pakistanis: police
is there any limit to illiteracy???? .. you want some innocents to be beaten up because you think so... and at the sae time police and relevant authorities have released them... man you do need to see doctor....
i only want those beaten up if there is solid evidence if there were any terrorism related activities....
i dont want innocent people beaten up
that is what your taliban is for
Re: 11 suspects in British anti-terror raids Pakistanis: police
No, the police were ready to arrest them at their houses that week. They had even drawn up letters to be mailed on April 9th to those who lived near the suspects explaining the raid on their houses.
The police only acted 2 days ahead of their original schedule. Evidently they had wire tap intelligence and intelligence that MI6 agents inside Pakistan had given them only; not actualy hard evidence. They had expected to find hard evidence after the arrests.
*One of the key things behind the date of the arrents is that the suspects had apparently been recorded saying that they would do something on the Easter Long Weekend.... police had thought this was a code for an attack but apparently all that they were planning was to get together or something! * Which is the scary part. If it could happen to them; it could happen to us.
And how do you know this?
Re: 11 suspects in British anti-terror raids Pakistanis: police
Shame on anyone who wants them to be deported, beaten up for what they have already suffered. Thats a truly disgusting comment to make.
I have to agree with Mad Svientist - it can happen to anyone of us. It does not matter how secular or liberal some will act, you will still not be accepted.
Theres a lot of negative comments going around the UK saying how they study for free, they must be on benefits - international students are not allowedto claim benefits and can pay up to £20,000 per year.
They are a positive asset to the UK economy as they are helping fund the education system here.
These guys must be under so much pressure and feel humiliated. I suppose the uncertainty of what could happen must be killing them.
It makes you think - should we stop taking photos in popular public locations?
I hope the Gov of Pakistan says we are not alowing them back to pakistan until their time is up.
Here is some articles
Our lads innocent of terror plotting | The Sun |News](News, sport, celebrities and gossip | The Sun)
‘They’ve got a bomb!’ | The Sun |News](News, sport, celebrities and gossip | The Sun)
For those of you not living in the UK…the Sun is a downmarket rag (IMO all newspapers are downmarket rags as they all tell lies) with the largest circulation and one of the most influential tabloids and newspapers in the UK.
Funnily enough the story is being relegated and no longer fornt page news, unless there is going to be a dramatic turn.
I think in article 1 a father of one of the boys speaks out. Im guessing te father, named Hazrat Ali, is probably Shia? Not really Al-qaeda material anyway unless changed?
Re: 11 suspects in British anti-terror raids Pakistanis: police
They were tracking them from before they obtained their visas on some suspicion. They ahd to arrest them early on after their intel chief exposed secrets by mistake and could not build case against them in time.
well u cant have it both ways can u?? like some one else point out either the pakistanis are innocent or they are guilty. If they are guilty then they should be punished if not they should be allowed to go scot free. If they are guilty then why government of UK is seeking assurances that Pakistani govt. will not torture them on deportation???
Re: 11 suspects in British anti-terror raids Pakistanis: police
Im sorry, but how could anyone stand by this? I know half the fools on here don't believe in civil liberties and the right to due process but this is a blatant attack on Every One's rights.
what the **** is this?
Re: 11 suspects in British anti-terror raids Pakistanis: police
i only want those beaten up if there is solid evidence if there were any terrorism related activities....
i dont want innocent people beaten up
that is what your taliban is for
Make ur mind first.. think before post.. and it will save you from these kind of situations...
Re: 11 suspects in British anti-terror raids Pakistanis: police
No, the police were ready to arrest them at their houses that week. They had even drawn up letters to be mailed on April 9th to those who lived near the suspects explaining the raid on their houses.
The police only acted 2 days ahead of their original schedule. Evidently they had wire tap intelligence and intelligence that MI6 agents inside Pakistan had given them only; not actualy hard evidence. They had expected to find hard evidence after the arrests.
One of the key things behind the date of the arrents is that the suspects had apparently been recorded saying that they would do something on the Easter Long Weekend.... police had thought this was a code for an attack but apparently all that they were planning was to get together or something!
Which is the scary part. If it could happen to them; it could happen to us.
British police had sufficient evidence that they are terrorists, one of the suspect Mohammad Ramazan **Mehsud **was arrested first as his name was highly suspicious (according to investigation carried out by highly organised British intelligence agency). They found solid evidence (probably an SMS sent to other friends (or terrorists) on his mobile suggesting a plan to do something on easter.
*LONDON: Pakistan is not likely to agree to the deportation of the 12 Pakistanis arrested on Wednesday on suspicion of being involved in plotting terrorist activities in the UK, if they are not charged of any crime.
Sources close to the Pakistan High Commission here have said that Pakistan would like first to be informed on what charges these Pakistanis were arrested and then Islamabad would like to have consular access to these students and then alone they believe it would be appropriate to discuss how to handle the case.
They said if the British government did not have any actionable evidence against these youngsters they should be released honourably and allowed to pursue their studies here, ‘otherwise it would destroy their careers and lives if they are deported without any rhyme or reason’.
They further said that so far nothing had been conveyed by the UK government to the Pakistan High Commission about the antecedents of the arrested men and all that the High Commission here could obtain was six probable names of people taken into custody and that too from the media’s highly sketchy accounts.
These are:
1. Janas Khan, 25, from Peshawar, student at the Hope University in Liverpool, working as a security guard, arrived in the UK in 2006.
Abid Naseer, 22, s/o Nasrullah Jan Khattak, student at Manchester University, visa to expire in Sept 2009.
Hamza Shinwari, security guard.
Wahab Khan Burki, 26, s/o Malik Khan Mohammad Burki, student at Liverpool University in computer science, arrived first week of 2008.
Mohammad Ramazan Mehsud, 25, s/o Haji Hazrat Ali of Dera Ismail Khan, student of MBA, travelled to UK in 2006.
Faraz, from Bannu.*
Re: 11 suspects in British anti-terror raids Pakistanis: police
No, the police were ready to arrest them at their houses that week. They had even drawn up letters to be mailed on April 9th to those who lived near the suspects explaining the raid on their houses.
The police only acted 2 days ahead of their original schedule. Evidently they had wire tap intelligence and intelligence that MI6 agents inside Pakistan had given them only; not actualy hard evidence. They had expected to find hard evidence after the arrests.
One of the key things behind the date of the arrents is that the suspects had apparently been recorded saying that they would do something on the Easter Long Weekend.... police had thought this was a code for an attack but apparently all that they were planning was to get together or something!
Which is the scary part. If it could happen to them; it could happen to us.
lol, nice post man
just little correction, they were few hours early not 2 days. as i heard on bbc.
Re: 11 suspects in British anti-terror raids Pakistanis: police
If the UK Gov can get all high and mighty with the way some Brit born Pakistanis are forced into marriage, then whycant pak do the same to them in this case?
There appears to be no evidence otherwise they would be charged by now.
DAWN.COM | World | More harm than good
In refusing the Pakistan High Commission consular access to 11 Pakistani students arrested on the suspicion of involvement in bomb plots, the UK government has displayed a knee-jerk reaction that bodes ill for future cooperation in terms of controlling terrorism.
The UK government, and in particular Prime Minister Gordon Brown, accuses Pakistan of not doing enough to curb terrorism. But given that both countries have a stake in this struggle, there is every reason to foster an environment of close and candid communication. By refusing access to the arrested Pakistanis, the UK government in effect has put impediments in the path of local authorities to investigate the suspected terrorists’ links in this country and the wider network they may be part of.
The UK government’s lack of cooperation also raises doubts about the credibility of evidence on the basis of which the men were arrested. It has already been reported that while British officials spoke of intelligence regarding the suspected terrorists’ involvement in the plot, they admitted that this information could not be presented in court.
This raises the possibility of the evidence having been improperly collected, in which case the arrested men are being punished — through arrest and probable deportation — without their guilt having been wholly proved. If, on the other hand, the ‘evidence’ is of such an incendiary nature that the risk of it being made public cannot be taken, Pakistani authorities have a right and a need to know since Islamabad is already deeply mired in the struggle to curb terrorism.
Given that the arrested men are Pakistani nationals and, reportedly, a decision has already been taken to deport them, the UK government is exposing itself to criticism for having violated their rights by denying Pakistan consular access to the students. Furthermore, the move sets a dangerous precedent for the security of thousands of other Pakistani students in the UK, who can now no longer depend with any confidence on their embassy’s ability to intervene in case suspicion falls on any one of them.
The UK government’s move has about it the sinister echoes of the manner in which wartime prison camps are operated — infamous amongst them are the US camps established during the Bush years — where detainees are held incommunicado and outside the reach of their governments. Through this move, the UK damages its own reputation of subscribing to the values of fair play and does irreparable harm to those who, on currently available evidence, may well have been targeted on mere suspicion.
Re: 11 suspects in British anti-terror raids Pakistanis: police
One already free , Now 9 handed over to immigration. Who is left ?
DAWN.COM | World | Brown may visit Islamabad to defuse row over students
LONDON: An embarrassed British government looking for ways to remove what is seen here as a ‘misunderstanding’ on the part of Islamabad by the high-profile arrest and then release of 12 innocent Pakistanis is said to have decided to contact Pakistan at the highest level to explain its position and seek understanding.
Diplomatic circles here did not rule out the possibility of Prime Minister Gordon Brown himself undertaking a trip to Islamabad soon for the purpose.
Informed sources said that in case such a trip materialised, Pakistan would like Britain to sign a joint declaration promising never ever to demonise Pakistani students studying in the UK or Pakistanis entering the country on a short trip or those British citizens who have Pakistani roots by arresting them or interrogating them without actionable evidence.
They said Pakistan would also like the joint declaration to mention that in case there was some concrete evidence of involvement of Pakistanis and British citizens of Pakistani origin in crimes of terrorism or any other serious misdemeanour the two countries would immediately share information and make joint investigations.
Pakistan is said to have become too sensitive about such arrests and interrogations and has lost patience with such tactics of the British police as only on April 15, brother-in-law of President Asif Zardari, MNA Munawar Ali Talpur, was detained for about 90 minutes at the airport on his arrival from Pakistan and questioned about his alleged links with the Baloch separatists.
In the summer of 2007, Chaudhry Wajahat Hussain, younger brother of former prime minister Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain and his two nephews who were going to Islamabad from Barcelona via London were detained at the airport for almost 48 hours, stripped and questioned on suspicion of being involved in a terrorist plot unearthed in Spain.
The Pakistan High Commission in the UK seems to have become doubly suspicious of the tactics of the Home Office here because right at the time when the British media was playing up the arrest of the 11 Pakistani students and the Home Office had refused to share any information about the arrest with the government of Pakistan, the HO presented to Pakistan a draft of an MoU to sign under which the UK government was to have the right to deport any Pakistani on the grounds that he had become a threat to the national security, without having to follow the laid down legal procedure.
‘Perhaps realising that they had bungled but determined to save face by deporting the arrested students without having to go through the time- consuming legal deportation process, the HO came up with the idea of the MoU thinking that an under pressure Pakistan government would readily sign it,’ said Sibghatullah Kadri QC, a British lawyer of Pakistani origin.
He said that Pakistani High Commissioner Wahid Shamsul Hasan, who was in Pakistan at that time, put his foot down and advised the government not to accept the MoU and he also asked the HC visa office here not to issue visa to the four HO officials who were all set to go to Pakistan with the draft of the MoU and get their friend Rehman Malik to sign it.
The MoU also had a business angle to it. While the income in millions of educational institutions from fees and that of the Home Office from visa charges were protected by not scrutinising the admission and visa applications for non-genuine cases, the HO wanted the right under the MoU to deport these very people after having fleeced without following the laid down procedure.
Mr Kadri likened it to daylight robbery. He believes that once the students go into appeal against their deportation, they would either be given bail after the first hearing or if the HO opposed they would remain under detention while the cases would be processed which in his opinion would take at least two to three years to reach conclusion.
He thought they would all get bail and those whose examinations are about to begin would be able to appear in their exams.
‘One or two students perhaps may feel too terrified to remain in the UK even for one more day. Perhaps they would like to go back to the safety of their homes as soon as possible. Their cases will have to be handled with extra care because I would not like them to go back carrying the stigma of deportation.’ he added.
Meanwhile, according to a High Commission press release, Mr Wajid Shamsul Hasan called on Home Secretary Jacqui Smith on Thursday and discussed the issue of release of students after the British authorities dropped charges under the Terrorism Act.
Re: 11 suspects in British anti-terror raids Pakistanis: police
doesnt really matter the damage is done
all pakistani foreign students will be viewed suspiciously
doesnt really matter the damage is done
all pakistani foreign students will be viewed suspiciously
and whose faults is that?