11 killed in Shia-Sunni violence in N. Pak

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Is this what the Sunni and Shia sects have done for Islam? Killing after killing and then Sunnis and Shias tell me that nothing is wrong and it is just a minor problems due to foreign influences. Burning alive people for what? Shameful.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/7EB36D64-A379-48E7-BB05-9CF27E3142BA.htm

Many die in Pakistan sectarian violence

Saturday 08 January 2005, 20:23 Makka Time, 17:23 GMT

The violence began after an attack on a Shia leader

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At least 11 people were killed, six of them burnt alive, in remote northern Pakistan in violence that erupted after an attack on a minority Shia Muslim leader, official and hospital sources said.

The authorities imposed a curfew in Gilgit on Saturday, the main town in the mountainous region known as Northern Areas, and called out the army to quell the violence after enraged Shia went on the rampage following the attack on Ziauddin Moosavi.

Moosavi was travelling in his car to a mosque in the centre of Gilgit, some 240km north of the capital Islamabad, when unidentified gunmen opened fire at him, critically injuring Moosavi and his three guards.

Two of the guards later died.

Attacker killed

One of the attackers was killed when Moosavi’s guards returned fire, Northern Areas Home Secretary Jamil Ahmad said.

“People are very terrified”

Gilgit resident

“He is not from Gilgit. We are trying to establish his identity,” he told Reuters.

Ahmad said eight people were killed in the violence that followed the attack on Moosavi.

An angry mob set fire to the house of a forest department official, burning alive the official and five others. A local health department official was also attacked and killed.

Witnesses said angry mobs also set government buildings and cars on fire. “People are very terrified,” a resident told Reuters by telephone.

Sectarian motives

No one claimed responsibility for the attack on Moosavi but police suspected it was a sectarian incident.

Attacks by members of Pakistan’s majority Sunni and minority Shia Muslim communities have killed hundreds of people over the years.

Saturday’s violence was the worst in Gilgit since June, when one man was killed in clashes between security forces and Shia protesting against the school curriculum.

Shia account for 15 percent of Pakistan’s 150 million population.

Reuters

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...... Man will always find an excuse to hate his fellow brother sister, and invent new and better instruments to execute his twised ambitions.

Where men have failed, i belive women will prevail. Pakistan should concern on educating and empowering women, so the children born will be statesmen and leaders rather then barbarians and tyrants.

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I can never understand this..ghatiya log. They should be made to sit down and watch indian movies that talk about trying to friggin learn to live together like human beings, and not attack people one has been living with for decades just because some disturbance has started somehow.

I am also sick and tired of supposed religious leaders (jaahil kath mullahs) who can mouth off against everything but cant have the sense to not sow these seeds of hatred.

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I was appalled to hear about this most abominable act and just couldn't fathom what could have compelled the people to go to such extremes. The reaction of one sect against the highhandedness of the other is understandable, for that is one way of registering their discontent againstthe apathy of the government that has failed to curb this menace and take the requisite action. But I just can't understand what was the motive behind burning so many people alive. That was an atrocious assault on people who had nothing to do with the terrorists or the killings.
I have yet to hear or read anything worthwhile and of meaning from the mullahas regarding this incident. Magar un logon koi wardi say fursat milay tow na...

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It is very easy to condemn these acts, but not easy to speak the truth this evil is stemming from. Why can’t the constitution be amended to take the religious bulshyt out of it, and treat each Pakistani as an individual??? If you are a Sunni, Hindu, Wahabi, Christian, Shia, Ahmadi, if you fk your own people, that’s fine, but if you cross fuk, you are dead. You may think that your belief system is the best, but no one gives a shyt about it… really. These exact words should be made part of our constitution, and be taught at elemantry school level as well as in the mosques… Tell them morons that no one gives a shyt about what you believe in (or don’t).

:jhanda:

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^Beautiful!

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Sure ammend the constitution. as long as that will help solve this BS.

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Fraudz..if you are asking me to do that (to amend the consti), consider it done.

Signed and postmarked.

But honestly, if the message is made clear at all levels of the society, i.e., schools, mosques, media, houseolds, brothels, etc., etc., that religious differences don’t mean jack, it will have a positive consequence in time to come. As it is, now everyone is brought up to believe that his is the only right belief system… and it results into we know what. If I were banged on my head day in and day out by my mom and pop that mine is not the only “true” and the “best” beliefs, I wouldn’t feel an urge to go and kill people who practice different systems.

But I do see your point, it takes a lot more than just amending the constitution. But at least, that can be a starting point.

:jhanda:

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madhanee now you got to the bottom of this

if the message is made clear at all levels of the society, i.e., schools, mosques, media, houseolds, brothels, etc., etc., that religious differences don’t mean jack, it will have a positive consequence in time to come

but there is a difference when you say that people grow up thinking there way is the right way..that is not an issue, if you think your faith is right, and others are not, that doesn't automatically mean you are going to go kill that person.

having lived under the same roof where jews, chrisitians (including orthodox, caholic and proestants), hindus, muslims (shia, ahmedi) lived, (yeah long live international house of philadelphia) I never felt an urge to kill anyone (atleast not for their faith, more for them trying to mess with my game to earn a new squeeze for the week) nor did anyone want to kill me (for my fait atleast..they hated my taste in music)

Now we had discussion about what religion is what and differences, and what seems logical and illogical etc, no one converted me, nor did i convert anyone, we all felt that we were following the right path, but that was it.

but that is what it needs to be limited to, I may prefer a ferrari (billi kay khwab mein cheechray) and you may prefer a porsche (more cheechray) but thats it, i mya think u are wrong and u may think I am wrong, but in the end we have to respect each others' choices and let it be.

that "letting it be" part is easier said than done, especially when it comes to religion, and especially when it comes to the type of society we have.

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Fraudz…The reason you didn’t kill them is because you were chicken. If you were a true Jihadi and a believer, you would never have lived under the same roof with Kufar..

Fraudz…the 11 people who were killed (Shias) in northern Pakistan were killed because they were Shias, not because they sniffed Naswar thru their left nostril (which is a sin by the way – it has to be sniffed by right nostril just like eating food with right hand). So the murderers and thugs killed these poor people for their belief system.

I can see your point that not everyone is going to kill other people, but laws are not made for the majority of the people, who by definition are rational. Laws are made for only a handful of *********.

:jhanda:

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madhanee the point is that what people is taught is important.

the people in this case were killed for their faith.

but why is it that some people have no issue with people of other faith, and some people will go kill people of a diff faith or sect.

people growing up in the same country, same city and sometimes even same neighbourhood.. how can they be so different..

its because of what they have been taught, whether it is at a school or madrissa or at home or what they have learnt from friends/peers.

the root causes is the lack of education, or rather lack of proper education..formal or informal

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Oh Madhanee, the 11 people were not all shias; innocent people died( shias and sunnis) when people went out on a rampage and killing spree that ensued after that Shia leader was targeted. However, you really have a point when you say that,
"if the message is made clear at all levels of the society, i.e., schools, mosques, media, houseolds, brothels, etc., etc., that religious differences don’t mean jack, it will have a positive consequence in time to come"

^ I believe this is far more inmportant than altering the constitution. There is no provision in our constitution that even hints towards majority having the sway over all matters. I don't know what should be done in this regard.
1)Maybe as a first step they should put a stop to all the finding that is being given to these madressahs by the Saudi and Iranian government. Now before we start bashing these states, let me tell you ( infact I am sure that you already know about this) that majority of these who are brainwashed and sent on such missions are homegrown terrorists and I think they have found other means of sustenance besides being funded by other states.
2) Place a ban on all sorts of processions, whether those are meant for Moharam or Eid e Miladul nabi. You don't know how they compete on such occasions and try to outdo eachother.
3) A strict overhaul of our madrasha policy. Wonder what became of the committee that was formed when Zubaida Jalal was the education minister. They made life miserable for her the moment she talked about bringing reforms in the education sector.

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yeah well it helps if its there isn't a systemic governmental and institutional policy to wipe out (or at least not recognise the voice of) people of different faiths. Up until as recently as last year i think, Baltistanis have not been allowed to vote. Baltistan is one very large area which is majorly shia.

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Two factors are very crucial: education and poverty. Poverty and ignorance provides a breeding ground for such elements who would do anything to kill the other humanbeing irrespective of whether he is a shia or sunni and poverty prevents them from attending regular schools. This leads them to attend madaris ( not a bad bargain though for they are provided with free food and books and clothes) but that limits their understanding of the larger issues of life and look beyond their own kind and hence its easier for them to become a fodder for such pseudo-religious cum militant organisations.

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^^ How about your government stops playing with the jihadi groups who do this kind of stuff.

It was reported that Mushy bhai released a prominent terrorist just before this attack happened by the group led by that terrorist. Most of the sectarian violence in Pakistan is done by groups that are currently or formerly created, trained and supported by the Pakistan government and its agencies.