1- Find out what history says about the new sect: "wahabies"

Bissmillah wassalla-llahu ^ala rasulillah..

Out of pitty, and care, it’s important for one to warn from the one who cheats, lies and affects Muslims in any away for, the Propeht has warned from the one who cheats in food. It’s more essential to warn from the one who deviates and innovate in the religion, and the new sect “Wahabism” emerged with the wierdest beliefs opposing Muslims Worldwide. As a proven fact, everywhere they are, they want Muslims to become wahabies! They have blaspemed Majority of Muslims due to their alliance with jews in creed.

As a resercher about this sect and as an experienced Muslim with that sect for years, I have to stand up here along with those who fear Allah clarifying the pure truth based on The holy Qur’an and the honorable hadiths that never lie, clearing the lies insha’llah asking Allah to grant us sincerety.

First of all background of the fighting of this sect in MAKKAH!. The fighting started between the Wahhabis and the Prince of Makkah, Mawlana Sharif Ghalib Ibn Bu Sa^id, who had been appointed by the honored Muslim Sultan as his ruling representative over the areas of al-Hijaz. This was in 1205 AH during the time of Sultan Salim III, the son of Sultan Mustafa III, the son of Ahmad. Previous to the outbreak of fighting, the Wahhabis began to build power and gain followers in their areas.

As their territories expanded, their evil and harm increased They killed countless numbers of Muslims, legitimated confiscating their money and possessions, and captured their women. The founder of their wicked doctrine was Muhammad Ibn ^Abdul-Wahhab, who originated from eastern Arabia, from the tribe of Banu Tamim. He lived a long life, about one-hundred years. He was born in 1111 AH and died in 1200 AH. His history was narrated as follows:

Muhammad Ibn ^Abdul-Wahhab started as a student of knowledge in the city of the Prophet, sallallahu ^alayhi wa sallam: al-Madinah al-Munawwarah. Ibn ^Abdul-Wahhab’s father was a good, pious man among the people of knowledge as was his brother, Shaykh Sulayman. His father, his brother, and his shaykhs (teachers of religion) had the foresight Ibn ^Abdul-Wahhab would innovate a great deal of deviation and misguidance, because of their observance of his sayings, actions, and inclinations concerning many issues. They used to reprimand him and warn people against him.

Read Some Of The Beliefs Of Ibn ^Abdul-Wahhab in which he oppsoed Ijma^ knowing that it’s Kufur to oppose the Ijma^ of Muslims.

What Ibn ^Abdul-Wahhab’s father, brother, and shaykhs speculated about him came true–by the Will of Allah, ta^ala. Ibn ^Abdul-Wahhab innovated deviant and misleading ways and beliefs and managed to allure some ignorant people to follow him. His deviant and misleading ways and beliefs disagreed with the sayings of the scholars of the Religion. His deviant beliefs led him to label the believers as blasphemers! He falsely claimed visiting the grave of the Prophet, sallallahu ^alayhi wa sallam, and performing the tawassul by him as shirk. Additionally, he falsely claimed visiting the graves of other prophets and righteous Muslims (awliya’) and performing tawassul by them was shirk as well. He added to this by saying, “To call upon the Prophet, sallallahu ^alayhi wa sallam, when performing tawassul by the Prophet is shirk.” He passed the same judgment of shirk on the ones who call upon other prophets and righteous Muslims (awliya’) in performing tawassul by them.

In an effort to give credibility to his innovations Ibn ^Abdul-Wahhab embellished his sayings by quotations which he selected from Islamic sources, i.e., quotations which are used as proofs for many issues but not the issues which Ibn ^Abdul-Wahhab was attempting to support. He brought false statements and tried to beautify them for the laymen until they followed him. He wrote treatises for them until they believed that most of the People of Tawhid were blasphemers.

Wahabies got de money..! That’s their only method of spreading their poison how? The Su^udiyy Family. Ibn ^Abdul-Wahhab called upon the princes of eastern Arabia and the people of ad-Dar^iyyah to support him. They carried his doctrine and made this endeavor a means to strengthen and expand their kingdom. They worked together to suppress the Bedouins of the deserts until they overcame them and those Bedouins followed them and became foot-soldiers for them without pay. Ya lateef! After that, these masses started to believe that whoever does not believe in what Ibn ^Abdul-Wahhab said is a blasphemer, and it is Islamically lawful (halal) to shed his blood and plunder his money.

The matter of Ibn ^Abdul-Wahhab started to evidence itself in 1143 A.H. and began spreading after 1150 A.H. Subsequently, the scholars–even his brother, Shaykh Sulayman and the rest of his shaykhs-- authored many treatises to refute him. But Muhammad Ibn Su^ud, the Prince of ad-Dar^iyyah in eastern Arabia, supported him and worked to spread his ideology. Ibn Su^ud was from Banu Hanifah, the people of Musaylimah al-Kadhdhab. When Muhammad Ibn Su^ud died, his son ^Abdul-^Aziz Ibn Muhammad Ibn Su^ud took over the responsibility of fulfilling the vile task of spreading the Wahhabi beliefs.

Many of the shaykhs of Ibn ^Abdul-Wahhab in al-Madinah used to say, “He will be misguided, and he will misguide those for whom Allah willed the misguidance.” Things took place as per the speculation of the scholars. Ibn ^Abdul-Wahhab claimed his intention behind the madhhab he invented was “to purify the tawhid” and “repudiate the shirk.” He also claimed people had been following the shirk for six-hundred years and he revived their Religion for them!!

Let them know that we do know who they are and due to their stubborness and HATE to Muslims and what they do, we will remain sticking up for Ahlus-Sunnah and by the will of Allah they will wake up or at least the innocent that get lost with them, Insha’llah they are awaken. No fear, they are in a small number nothing comparing to us as Ahlus-Sunnah but they have the money to do what they want.

There’s more to know about them..

Allah is my wittness, I will be insha’llah here for the sake of Allah clarifying misconceptions as my only purpose.


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You call your self a practicing Muslim? How can you be a Muslim, when you are posting lies and sheer non-sense about a sect, which does not practice the bid’ahs and self-created things that you practice?

You will not be happy, if someone posted something about your sect, often times knowns as Brailviyat? oh yeah with references and books that you have read.

Even though, all you write about so-called Wahabis is self-created and nothing solid. And you are still failing in your campaign to defame the people who do not practice the innovative ways of your brailviyaat sect and your forefathers.

You hate wahabis because they do not peform the rituals such as: Taweez-ganda, peer-fakeeri, Milads, holding melas on graves of saints and Owliyaas, giving out khatams and giyaarween(11th of everymonth holding a big feast on graves of certain saints) sharifs on the names of saints who them selves were followers of Ibn-tehmiyaa and Imam Hanifa, you look for mediator when interacting with allah and wahabis say you should talk to and interact with ALLAH DIRECTLY without any mediator. Moreover, you guys ask the dead prophet MOhammad for help, when you visit his grave, you ask the local saints for help when your wives do not bear any children. One can go on and on about the self-created and innovative practices that you people do and you do not like the people who stop you from doing that(wahabis).

I can post and expose the real face of your sect(brailviyaat) but I have learnt to respect the month of Ramadan, and I can always beat you at your own game.

You should atleast respect your self, if you can’t respect the holy month of Ramadan. Shame on your sir, for putting up lies about things you know not.

Last but not least, you never and I mean NEVER put references when you write. I don’t know where you shop for hadiths and where you shop for stuff which is so anti-islamic. Many other guppies and I have asked you to put REFERENCES and what we get after that? All we get is your statement(s) starting with: “there is a hadith” - “prophet said this/that” - “once this Sahahab” -at the end of your hadith you either put “bukhari” “Muslim” and some other name of hadith book. Who are you trying to fool here my friend? The people who read the posts? The wahabis? Me? The admins and the moderator? I think, only person who your trying to fool is your very sorry self!

So, before you cross the lines and post any more fabricated hadith and before I complain to the Admins that you are doing nothing but creating more fights, I suggest that you gather up your act and learn something, instead of making the religious forum destablizing once again - other wise - you lose, you get NOTHING, GOOD DAY SIR! :expressionless:

I hope you understand what I am saying and what I am trying to pass along.

Take it easy.

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**You call your self a practicing Muslim? How can you be a Muslim, when you are posting lies and sheer non-sense about a sect, which does not practice the bid'ahs and self-created things that you practice?

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Subhanallah Al ^Atheem. You can allege to me as much as you want, but know that history does not lie. And the info there is history, do you know history, the scandles that are hidden from you and the likes. I don't care if you swear, cuss or disrespect me! But I do care if you disrespect our Prophet, Sahabah, Scholars and Awliya'.

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You will not be happy, if someone posted something about your sect, often times knowns as Brailviyat? oh yeah with references and books that you have read.

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About "my sect"! Nice try kid! see that's all you understand, sects. Now you are alleging that I'm from a sect and it's called brailviyat or whatever. The truth, I've never heard of that sect. The facts, you are so embarressed and scandaled, you are alleging that "I'm From a Sect!!". At least you tried.

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You hate wahabis because

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I don't care Wahabies, Salafies Shi^a or whatever names there are.. I don't hate anyone but the ones who disrespect the Prophet by saying:
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MOhammad for help, when you visit his grave"

The dead Prophet! You call that respect!. You did request the hadith mentioned by the Prophet "Prophets are alive in their graves praying" and asked for reference. I did get you the reference and you saw it but pretended that id doesn't exist.

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You should atleast respect your self, if you can't respect the holy month of Ramadan. Shame on your sir, for putting up lies about things you know not.

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I'm happy that you did finaly learn to respect yourself and the Month of Ramadan and do hope that you respect all months as well. But just telling us that history is a lier, isn't going to make you a believer. You may know not, but we do! go check in encylopedias and dictionaries. Just type: "Wahabies" and see the results. I sugest you check Britanica encyclopedia for being most famous. And maybe you will at least believe encyclopedias.

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Last but not least, you never and I mean NEVER put references when you write. I don't know where you shop for hadiths and where you shop for stuff which is so anti-islamic. Many other guppies and I have asked you to put REFERENCES and what we get after that? All we get is your statement(s) starting with: "there is a hadith" - "prophet said this/that" - "once this Sahahab" -at the end of your hadith you either put "bukhari" "Muslim" and some other name of hadith book.

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What can I do if you have a problem. When you mention a hadith, you mention those who narrate the hadith and than what it's status is. Go check the books of the scholars and tell me how they are. My task is to prove it. You are the one whose opposing, your task is to bring your proof and all I need from you and your likes is to mention a hadith and who narated it which would proove you as a wahabi right!. I can give you the names, page, line, word of the reference -and I did- but the Problem is that you still negate it. How? because you asked for a reference before and I gave it to you and you neglected it.. your story as a wahabi or a fan isn't worth it. NO offence though I do respect the fact that you are here to discuss but I expect input and output. As well as fear from ALLAH!.

IT's unfortunate that you keep digging into your own dirt. I wish you stop arguing so we can discuss about Salat, siam, hajj, zakat, unity, LOVE AND MORE LOVE TO THE PROPHET AND EACH OTHER... It's enough for us to understand you and who you are just by saying that you are wahabi or 'denying'. I don't hate wahabies. I do hate innovations, lies, disrespect and swingling.

My friend, don't forget I love for you the best, I really do And Allah is my wittness. But you will never get the best if you keep saying these things about the Prophet, Sahabah from things that show disrespect. You may not know how dangerous they are, but I really hope that you open your mind and Insah'llah our only saviour and helper by the virtue of the Prophet, you will be guided and will observe.

O Allah forgive us and grant us paradise.

You wanna go ask the DEAD for help, be your own guest. Don’t hate others who say we should ONLY ask Allah for help. And ALLAH is enough for me.

**YOU DISRESPECT THE PROPHET WHEN YOU CROSS THE LINES AND ASK THE DEAD FOR HELP. YOU DISRESPECT THE PROPHET WHEN YOU CREAT YOUR OWN WAYS OF WORSHIP. YOU DISRESPECT THE PROPHET WHEN YOU CREAT NEW THINGS IN RELIGION AND MAKE THEM PART OF ISLAM AND CALL THEM GOOD DEEDS. YOU DISRESPECT THE PROPHET WHEN YOU GO TO HIS GRAVE AND INSTEAD OF ASKING ALLAH FOR HELP AND PRAYING DAROOD-SHARIF ON HIM, YOU PLEAD TO HIM AND YOU ASK HIM FOR HELP. YOU DISRESPECT THE PROPHET WHEN YOU FOLLOW YOUR FOREFATHERS INNOVATIVE RELIGION AND RITUALS AND LEAVE THE SUNNAH OF PROPHET. YOU DISRESPECT THE PROPHET WHEN YOU CREAT LIES ABOUT HIM BY FABRICATING HADITHS.

YOU LOVE THE PROPHET WHEN YOU FIGHT FOR HIS CAUSE. YOU LOVE THE PROPHET WHEN YOU UPHOLD HIS SUNNAH AND FOLLOW HIS WAY OF LIFE. YOU LOVE THE PROPHET WHEN YOU DO WHAT HE DID, HE NEVER ASKED THE DEAD FOR HELP. YOU LOVE THE PROPHET WHEN YOU DO NOT CREAT NEW THINGS IN ISLAM. YOU LOVE THE PROPHET WHEN YOU ACCEPT WHAT ALLAH REVEALED TO HIM AND ACCEPT IT AS A COMPLETE RELIGION AND A RELIGION WHICH DOES NOT NEED ANY MODIFICATION OR ALTERATION OR ADDITION OR SUBSTRACTION FROM THE LIKES OF YOU OR ANYONE ELSE ON THIS PLANET. YOU LOVE THE PROPHET WHEN YOU LISTEN TO HIM AND DIE IN HIS OBIDENCE.**

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Good Luck, there is always room for you to repent. May Allah show you the right path and may allah teach you how to respect the month of Ramadan, first learn that before you go out and preach hate.

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PS: Go gather up your references before coming up with these non-sense lies your posting. BTW: Which SITE do you go to shop for hadiths and anti-islamic articles which you have been posting?

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Take it easy.


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Same alegations. I would like to find out where to get references from the net. But the most important of references would be from the books fo the scholars, and I've only learned about them from real scholars not from reading them myslef.

Ger it straight: Ahlus-Sunnah do not ask any but Allah. I ask Allah only. I did not say I ask Muhammad to grant me paradise because that is impossible! Don't twist the words and put them in my mouth. As Prophet Muhammad being the interceider, we ask Allah by his virtue! Prooves? The ahadiths and doings of Sahabah mentioned. References? they are mentioned with the names of the narrators! You just have to do some reading for your self!.