Re: Breaking news: ZARDARI mentally unstable?/???
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He married a Bhutto, so obviously learnt a few tricks from the Bhutto family. When they are out of power, Bhutto family members suffer from all kinds of diseases and marz, and are basically incapacited because of political zulm o'sitm. As soon as they get back in power, they are hashaash bashaash, full of energy and healthy beyond words.
Pls don't take their out-of-power medical certificates seriously! Its a family habit :p
hahahah, good observation.
remind me of the mob trials in movies where all the bosses show up with ventilators etc
actually a real mob trial had similar scenes
He married a Bhutto, so obviously learnt a few tricks from the Bhutto family. When they are out of power, Bhutto family members suffer from all kinds of diseases and marz, and are basically incapacited because of political zulm o'sitm. As soon as they get back in power, they are hashaash bashaash, full of energy and healthy beyond words.
Pls don't take their out-of-power medical certificates seriously! Its a family habit :p
So true :D
Re: Breaking news: ZARDARI mentally unstable?/???
It may just be a defamation attempt. US backed Zardari and BB and brought them back to Pakistan. Maneuvered things for them or atleast provided them enough guidance to do the deed.
Now Pakistan is all set to have a (as they'll say) "**tarded President" and we're all set to become the laughing stock of the world. They will then use this against him and blackmail him to keep him doing what pleases them.
From one unstable President to the next....how many more of these do we have left?! Aye Aye Aye! Es muy mal!
Re: Breaking news: ZARDARI mentally unstable?/???
Medical certificates he hain na, koi “Quran aor Hadees” naheen kai ghallat naheen ho saktai. 
TO ME…more SICK are the ones who are vying to elect him;
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Three stories cocurrently posted by forum members Amin Ansari, Atif Mohammad Khan, Nuzhat Aziz Ahmad, Omar Ali, Asif Alam and Nasser Ahmad. These stories are, to be sure, very important. But also equally important is their timing and who leaked them?. Why now? Why simultaneously and who is behind them? ‘Now’ because today was the filing day for the Presidential nomination papers. ‘Simultaneously’ because some one is leaking both the medical papers (which I assume must be highly confidential) and State Department internal communication (again equally highly confidential). Who is leaking? What could be the motive? CIA? MI5? ISI? To inform? To damage? To get it out of the way so no one can blackmail Zardari? Or to put Mr. Zardari on notice? None of that. My opinion is the following: professionals with the State Department (Negroponte/Boucher etc.) are retaliating against neo-cons. They have seen the mess they made of the US foreign policy. They were against too much reliance on Musharraf and now think that it would be equally damaging if such reliance was placed on Asif Ali Zardari. They are watching Nawaz Sharif emerge as the most popular leader in Pakistan and they want to keep channels open with him too, not just with Asif Zardari. Hence cutting Mr. Zardari and Mr. Khalilzad to size simultaneously. Shaheryar Azhar, moderator, The Forum
Excerpt from 'Battle Scars on Show as Focus Returns to Zardari and Doubts Cast on Zardari’s Mental Health (Financial Times): 'The sheaf of documents - from specialists ranging from a Dubai cardiologist to a New York psychiatrist - remains, however, and paints a picture of a man with multiple and severe physical and mental health problems…In March last year, Stephen Reich, a New York state-based psychologist, diagnosed Mr Zardari with dementia, major depressive disorder and post-traumatic stress disorder, problems stemming in part from being tortured while imprisoned in Pakistan. Mr Zardari could remember neither the birthdays of his wife and children, nor more than a handful of facts from two short stories he was read…‘He had difficulty focusing, concentrating and paying attention, is persistently sad, chronically anxious and apprehensive. He stated that he has had suicidal thoughts, but has not made any suicide gestures,’ Mr Reich wrote…While Mr Zardari was not available to comment, Wajid Shamsul Hasan, Pakistan’s high commissioner to London, speaking on his behalf, said he was now fit and well…Mr Hasan, a long-standing political ally and friend of the Zardari/Bhutto family, told the Financial Times yesterday that Mr Zardari had subsequent medical examinations and his doctors had ‘declared him medically fit to run for political office and free of any symptoms’. ‘You have got to understand that while he was in prison on charges that were never proven, there were attempts to kill him,’ Mr Hasan said. 'At that time, he was surrounded by fear all the time. Any human being living in such a condition will of course suffer from the effects of continuous fear. But that is all history. ‘In fact, many people were very impressed to see Mr Zardari go through the trauma of the assassination of Benazir Bhutto, but still hold himself together, hold his family, especially his children, close to him at this very difficult time.’ Excertp from Zalmay’s Ties to Zardari Are Questioned (New York Times): 'Mr. Khalilzad had spoken by telephone with Mr. Zardari, the leader of the Pakistan Peoples Party, several times a week for the past month until he was confronted about the unauthorized contacts, a senior United States official said…Mr. Khalilzad also had a close relationship with Ms. Bhutto, flying with her last summer on a private jet to a policy gathering in Aspen, Colo. Ms. Bhutto was assassinated in Pakistan in December… ‘Why do I have to learn about this from Asif after it’s all set up?’ Mr. Boucher wrote in the Aug. 18 message, referring to the planned Dubai meeting with Mr. Zardari. ‘We have maintained a public line that we are not involved in the politics or the details. We are merely keeping in touch with the parties. Can I say that honestly if you’re providing ‘advice and help’? Please advise and help me so that I understand what’s going on here.’…‘I know that Zardari’s interest in becoming president has been clear for quite some time,’ said Teresita C. Schaffer, a Pakistan expert at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington. The Bush administration has long been uneasy with the idea of Mr. Sharif as a potential leader of Pakistan, and now that Mr. Musharraf is out of the picture, the administration, despite public protestation of neutrality, is seeking another ally. ‘It distresses me that the U.S. government has not learned yet that having ‘our guy’ is not a winning strategy in Pakistan,’ Ms. Schaffer said. ‘Whoever ‘our guy’ is isn’t going to be the only guy in town, and if we go into it with that view, we’ll bump up against a lot of other guys in Pakistan.’
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Subject: Pakistan presidential candidate Asif Ali Zardari ‘suffering from severe mental problems’ - The Telegraph
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Pakistan presidential candidate Asif Ali Zardari ‘suffering from severe mental problems’ - Telegraph
If true Mr. Zardari deserves our compassion and admiration and certainly no scorn. He has been through a lot.
Amin
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Battle scars on show as focus returns to Zardari
By Farhan Bokhari in Islamabad, Michael Peel in London,and Daniel Dombey in Washington
Published: August 26 2008 03:00 | Last updated: August 26 2008 03:00
Twenty years after Asif Ali Zardari shot to political fame when his late wife, Benazir Bhutto, became the first female Muslim prime minister of an Islamic country, the leading candidate to be Pakistan’s next president is again battling his past.
The 54-year-old former businessman has spent more than half his 20-year political career in prison in Pakistan fighting corruption charges and most of his recent past in exile fighting off similar allegations in international courts. In the wake of his wife’s assassination last December and the decision by former general Pervez Musharraf to step down as president last week there has never been a more pressing moment to present his side of the story.
But the questions facing Mr Zardari are not only over his well-documented fight against various corruption charges but over the scars that those battles left behind.
The scars are documented in a bundle of medical reports dated between June 2005 and September last year on file in Britain’s High Court, where Mr Zardari claimed ill health to try to fight off court proceedings brought by Pakistan’s former government. The court case ended last year, along with others brought against Mr Zardari internationally and in Pakistan, after a deal struck between Bhutto and Mr Musharraf that led to her return from exile. A prosecutor in Switzerland yesterday brought a formal close to corruption charges brought against Mr Zardari there.
The sheaf of documents - from specialists ranging from a Dubai cardiologist to a New York psychiatrist - remains, however, and paints a picture of a man with multiple and severe physical and mental health problems.
In March last year, Stephen Reich, a New York state-based psychologist, diagnosed Mr Zardari with dementia, major depressive disorder and post-traumatic stress disorder, problems stemming in part from being tortured while imprisoned in Pakistan. Mr Zardari could remember neither the birthdays of his wife and children, nor more than a handful of facts from two short stories he was read.
‘He had difficulty focusing, concentrating and paying attention, is persistently sad, chronically anxious and apprehensive. He stated that he has had suicidal thoughts, but has not made any suicide gestures,’ Mr Reich wrote.
Another March 2007 diagnosis - by Philip Saltiel, a New York City-based psychiatrist - said emotional and neurological problems suffered by Mr Zardari because of medical treatment and imprisonment had resulted in ‘emotional instability’ and ‘deficits in memory and concentration’. Mr Saltiel wrote: ‘I do not foresee any improvement in these issues for at least a year.’
Mr Reich re-examined Mr Zardari in June and September last year, each time reporting that he had made progress but still had problems that might make it impossible for him to testify in court.
Months after Mr Reich’s September diagnosis, Mr Zardari became a key political player in Pakistan after the PPP won the most seats in parliamentary elections.
Mr Zardari could not be reached to comment. But his supporters argue that he has overcome his medical problems and is ready to lead Pakistan. ‘His doctors have declared him medically fit to run for political office and free of any symptoms,’ said Wajid Shamsul Hasan, Pakistan’s high commissioner to London and a long-standing political ally and friend of the Zardari/Bhutto family.
US officials say they can work with Mr Zardari despite the controversies of his past. Indeed, some US diplomats are more concerned about Nawaz Sharif, leader of the junior coalition party PML (N), whose tenure as prime minister in the 1990s they remember as difficult for US-Pakistan relations. Over the past year, Washington has made a particular effort to cultivate relations with the PPP.
Mr Zardari’s supporters also argue that all of the corruption allegations he has faced have been tainted by politics. ‘People have to recognise that there isn’t even a single case [of corruption] which was conclusively proven against Mr Zardari. The matter has been politicised over the years, people have made wild accusations,’ said Nayyar Bukhari, a senior leader of the PPP, previously run by Bhutto, of which Mr Zardari is now the co-chairman. PPP leaders also claim Pakistanis have bigger problems than Mr Zardari’s past to worry about, such as the growing Taliban-led insurgency and the worsening economy.
Western diplomats in Islamabad say that is true to a point. Should Mr Zardari be elected president he will have to demonstrate quickly that he is taking charge of the fight against Islamists, they say. Otherwise his past is likely to resurface as an issue.
‘If in the coming weeks or months, there are signs of the Islamic insurgency beginning to be defeated, it is possible that [Mr] Zardari will get credit for that,’ said one. ‘The main challenge however is that there are no easy solutions or short-cuts in sight to deal with [militants]. Does this then expose him to criticism on his past? That’s the key question.’ Additional reporting by Daniel Dombey in Washington – Copyright The Financial Times Limited 2008
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Doubts cast on Zardari’s state of mental health
By Michael Peel in London and Farhan Bokhari in Islamabad
Published: August 26 2008 03:00 | Last updated: August 26 2008 03:00
Asif Ali Zardari, the leading contender for the presidency of nuclear-armed Pakistan, was suffering from severe psychiatric problems as recently as last year, according to court documents filed by his doctors.
The widower of former prime minister Benazir Bhuttowas diagnosed with a range of serious illnesses including dementia, major depressive disorder and post-traumatic stress disorder in a series of medical reports spanning more than two years.
Mr Zardari, the co-chair of the Pakistan People’s party, and its candidate to succeed president Pervez Musharraf, who stepped down last week, spent 11 of the past 20 years in Pakistani prisons fighting corruption allegations, during which he claims to have been tortured.
While Mr Zardari was not available to comment, Wajid Shamsul Hasan, Pakistan’s high commissioner to London, speaking on his behalf, said he was now fit and well.
News of his medical records came as Nawaz Sharif, head of the junior partner in the government, pulled his party out of the coalition, partly because of differences over Mr Zardari’s presidential candidacy.
In court documents seen by the Financial Times, Philip Saltiel, a New York City-based psychiatrist, said in a March 2007 diagnosis that Mr Zardari’s imprisonment had left him suffering from ‘emotional instability’ and memory and concentration problems. ‘I do not foresee any improvement in these issues for at least a year,’ Mr Saltiel wrote.
Stephen Reich, a New York state-based psychologist, said Mr Zardari was unable to remember the birthdays of his wife and children, was persistently apprehensive and had thought about suicide.
Mr Zardari used the medical diagnoses to argue successfully for the postponement of a now-defunct English High Court case in which Pakistan’s government was suing him over alleged corruption, court records show.
The case - brought to seize some of his UK assets - was dropped in March, at about the same time that corruption charges in Pakistan were dismissed. However, the court papers raise questions about Mr Zardari’s ability to help guide one of the world’s most strategically important countries following the resignation last week of Mr Musharraf, under whose rule the corruption cases against the PPP leader and his late wife, Benazir Bhutto, were pursued.
Mr Zardari and Ms Bhutto, who was murdered in December while leading the PPP in elections that gave it the most seats in Pakistan’s parliament, were also the target of corruption investigations in Switzerland and Spain. The Geneva prosecutor said yesterday that money laundering charges against Mr Zardari were being dropped.
Mr Hasan, a long-standing political ally and friend of the Zardari/Bhutto family, told the Financial Times yesterday that Mr Zardari had subsequent medical examinations and his doctors had ‘declared him medically fit to run for political office and free of any symptoms’.
‘You have got to understand that while he was in prison on charges that were never proven, there were attempts to kill him,’ Mr Hasan said. 'At that time, he was surrounded by fear all the time. Any human being living in such a condition will of course suffer from the effects of continuous fear. But that is all history.
‘In fact, many people were very impressed to see Mr Zardari go through the trauma of the assassination of Benazir Bhutto, but still hold himself together, hold his family, especially his children, close to him at this very difficult time.’
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August 26, 2008
U.N. Envoy’s Ties to Pakistani Are Questioned
By HELENE COOPER and MARK MAZZETTI
WASHINGTON — Zalmay Khalilzad, the American ambassador to the United Nations, is facing angry questions from other senior Bush administration officials over what they describe as unauthorized contacts with Asif Ali Zardari, a contender to succeed Pervez Musharraf as president of Pakistan.
Mr. Khalilzad had spoken by telephone with Mr. Zardari, the leader of the Pakistan Peoples Party, several times a week for the past month until he was confronted about the unauthorized contacts, a senior United States official said. Other officials said Mr. Khalilzad had planned to meet with Mr. Zardari privately next Tuesday while on vacation in Dubai, in a session that was canceled only after Richard A. Boucher, the assistant secretary of state for South Asia, learned from Mr. Zardari himself that the ambassador was providing ‘advice and help.’
‘Can I ask what sort of ‘advice and help’ you are providing?’ Mr. Boucher wrote in an angry e-mail message to Mr. Khalilzad. ‘What sort of channel is this? Governmental, private, personnel?’ Copies of the message were sent to others at the highest levels of the State Department; the message was provided to The New York Times by an administration official who had received a copy.
Officially, the United States has remained neutral in the contest to succeed Mr. Musharraf, and there is concern within the State Department that the discussions between Mr. Khalilzad and Mr. Zardari, the widower of Benazir Bhutto, a former prime minister, could leave the impression that the United States is taking sides in Pakistan’s already chaotic internal politics.
Mr. Khalilzad also had a close relationship with Ms. Bhutto, flying with her last summer on a private jet to a policy gathering in Aspen, Colo. Ms. Bhutto was assassinated in Pakistan in December.
The conduct by Mr. Khalilzad, who is Afghan by birth, has also raised hackles because of speculation that he might seek to succeed Hamid Karzai as president of Afghanistan. Mr. Khalilzad, who was the Bush administration’s first ambassador to Afghanistan, has also kept in close contact with Afghan officials, angering William Wood, the current American ambassador, said officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly on the matter of Mr. Khalilzad’s contacts. Mr. Khalilzad has said he has no plans to seek the Afghan presidency.
Through his spokesman, he said he had been friends with Mr. Zardari for years. ‘Ambassador Khalilzad had planned to meet socially with Zardari during his personal vacation,’ said Richard A. Grenell, the spokesman for the United States Mission to the United Nations. ‘But because Zardari is now a presidential candidate, Ambassador Khalilzad postponed the meeting, after consulting with senior State Department officials and Zardari himself.’
A senior American official said that Mr. Khalilzad had been advised to ‘stop speaking freely’ to Mr. Zardari, and that it was not clear whether he would face any disciplinary action.
In 1979, Andrew Young was forced to resign as the American ambassador to the United Nations over his unauthorized contacts with the Palestine Liberation Organization.
Administration officials described John D. Negroponte, the deputy secretary of state, and Mr. Boucher as angry over the conduct of Mr. Khalilzad because as United Nations ambassador he has no direct responsibility for American relations with Pakistan. Those dealings have been handled principally by Mr. Negroponte, Mr. Boucher and Anne W. Patterson, the American ambassador to Pakistan. Mr. Negroponte previously was the United Nations ambassador, and Ms. Patterson the acting ambassador.
‘Why do I have to learn about this from Asif after it’s all set up?’ Mr. Boucher wrote in the Aug. 18 message, referring to the planned Dubai meeting with Mr. Zardari. ‘We have maintained a public line that we are not involved in the politics or the details. We are merely keeping in touch with the parties. Can I say that honestly if you’re providing ‘advice and help’? Please advise and help me so that I understand what’s going on here.’
This is not the first time Mr. Khalilzad has gotten into trouble for unauthorized contacts. In January, White House officials expressed anger about an unauthorized appearance in which Mr. Khalilzad sat beside the Iranian foreign minister at a panel of the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. The United States does not have diplomatic relations with Iran, and a request from
Mr. Khalilzad to be part of the United States delegation to Davos had been turned down by officials at the State Department and the White House, a senior administration official said.
Richard C. Holbrooke, a former ambassador to the United Nations under President Clinton, said the administration was sending conflicting signals. ‘It is not possible to conduct coherent foreign policy if senior officials are freelancing,’ he said.
It has long been known that Mr. Zardari, who has been locked in a power struggle with Mr. Musharraf and Nawaz Sharif, a former prime minister whose party left the governing coalition on Monday, planned to run for president, administration officials and foreign policy experts said.
‘I know that Zardari’s interest in becoming president has been clear for quite some time,’ said Teresita C. Schaffer, a Pakistan expert at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington.
The Bush administration has long been uneasy with the idea of Mr. Sharif as a potential leader of Pakistan, and now that Mr. Musharraf is out of the picture, the administration, despite public protestation of neutrality, is seeking another ally.
‘It distresses me that the U.S. government has not learned yet that having ‘our guy’ is not a winning strategy in Pakistan,’ Ms. Schaffer said. ‘Whoever ‘our guy’ is isn’t going to be the only guy in town, and if we go into it with that view, we’ll bump up against a lot of other guys in Pakistan.’
A senior Pakistani official said that the relationship between Mr. Khalilzad and Mr. Zardari went back several years, and that the men developed a friendship while Mr. Zardari was spending time in New York with Ms. Bhutto.
The Pakistani official said the consultations between the men were an open exchange of information, with each one giving insight into the political landscape in his capital.
‘Mr. Khalilzad, being a political animal, understood the value of reaching out to Pakistan’s political leadership long before the bureaucrats at the State Department realized this would be useful at a future date,’ the official said.
The ambassador ‘did not make policy or change policy, he just became an alternate channel,’ the official said.
Of Mr. Khalilzad’s Pakistan contacts, Sean I. McCormack, the State Department spokesman, said, ‘Our very clear policy is that the Pakistanis have to work out any domestic political questions for themselves.’ Gordon D. Johndroe, a White House spokesman, said, ‘The Pakistani elections are an internal matter for the Pakistani people.’
Helene Cooper reported from Washington, and Mark Mazzetti from New York.
Re: Breaking news: ZARDARI mentally unstable?/???
Pakistani Politics are a Freak Show
I wonder how many people will start to miss Musharraf when then retard becomes President
Pakistani Politics are a Freak Show
I wonder how many people will start to miss Musharraf when then retard becomes President
You are probably right, some people will say atleast Mush was less retarded :D
Re: Breaking news: ZARDARI mentally unstable?/???
Ata Ulhaq Qasmi wrote in Jang Urdu column that, as per Zardari ,agreements are not Hadith and QUran which cant be changed.. Then who knows tomorrow Zardari will say that I did not take oath of President of Zardaristan to take care of this country from bad and blah and blah..
I must that Ataul Haq raised a very valid point about the integrity of the oath this moron will take in couple of day ( fingers crossed)
Ata Ulhaq Qasmi wrote in Jang Urdu column that, as per Zardari ,agreements are not Hadith and QUran which cant be changed.. Then who knows tomorrow Zardari will say that I did not take oath of President of Zardaristan to take care of this country from bad and blah and blah..
I must that Ataul Haq raised a very valid point about the integrity of the oath this moron will take in couple of day ( fingers crossed)
Of course, this shows that he has never understood what Quran is, what Quran says about promise (agreement).
ma'soom logo ke bolnay se sach tapakti hay
makkar logo ke bolnay se jhhoot or jahalat tapkti hay
Re: Breaking news: ZARDARI mentally unstable?/???
Everyone chill already.
What can be more democratic than a dementia patient representing the loony Pakistani masses!
A sane president will not be representative in Pakistan
^ I agree with that. There is nothing breaking or newsy here.
I agree, hence title corrected :)
Re: ZARDARI mentally unstable????
So basically Pakistan goes from having a President which was famous around the world, appeared on the Daily Show with Jon Stewart, inflicted a massive defeat on India in Kargil, strengthened the economy, to a retard who probably had his wife killed, and the most corrupt man in Pakistan.
Well done Pakistanis.
Truly shows how dangerous Democracy can be in the hands of a illiterate people
Famous at some point, probably well before 2007 (definitely not in 2007)? Are you sure about “massive defeat on India in Kargil” 
? (Mind you, that was as “commando”, not president).