Re: Zardari, Haqqani knew about Abbottabad operation: Ijaz
No body was involved . Just a lie only
Otherwise everyone close may be involved .
Do you think that there was any way for civilians to help US in this all .
Re: Zardari, Haqqani knew about Abbottabad operation: Ijaz
there must b something fishy in the whole episode as the commission was setup to 'mitti pao' on everything..
it was professional negligence on part of air force (why their radars were sleeping), on intel(why they couldn't detect anything fishy) and last but not the least zaradari's post to american newspaper the very next day, and our PM's smily celebration on a 'great victory'.
did i miss someone? :d
Re: Zardari, Haqqani knew about Abbottabad operation: Ijaz
They were trying to go forward to make US happy .
There is a race to make US happy .
Openly or secretly .
Re: Zardari, Haqqani knew about Abbottabad operation: Ijaz
They were trying to go forward to make US happy . There is a race to make US happy . Openly or secretly .
sokan ..to put it precisely.
Re: Zardari, Haqqani knew about Abbottabad operation: Ijaz
there must b something fishy in the whole episode as the commission was setup to 'mitti pao' on everything.. it was professional negligence on part of air force (why their radars were sleeping), on intel(why they couldn't detect anything fishy) and last but not the least zaradari's post to american newspaper the very next day, and our PM's smily celebration on a 'great victory'.
did i miss someone? :d
Radar wasn't sleeping, the Americans jammed it.
Pak ISI didn't pick it up because they are incompetent, only good for killing their own people.
Re: Zardari, Haqqani knew about Abbottabad operation: Ijaz
Dear forum readers:
The United States government has already rejected the claims made by the Pakistani-American businessman, Mansoor Ijaz.
“There is no truth to the reports that Ambassador Haqqani or President Asif Ali Zardari had advance knowledge of the May 2 Abbottabad operation,” White House spokesperson Caitlin Hayden said. The spokesperson maintained that no one in Pakistan, or any other government, was intimated in advance about the sensitive raid, in which U.S. commandoes flew in stealth helicopters around midnight to kill the al-Qaeda chief. “As we’ve said repeatedly, given the sensitivity of the operation, to protect our operators we did not inform the Pakistani government, or any other government, in advance.”
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Re: Zardari, Haqqani knew about Abbottabad operation: Ijaz
Yeh un ko aur mushtabah babanay ki koshish kar rahay hain .
No body trusts .........
Re: Zardari, Haqqani knew about Abbottabad operation: Ijaz
The truth behind the whole thing lay in the recent announcement that Pakistan's Rule of Engagement were being changed to permit retaliation if attacked by NATO forces.
Consider the implication of that - until last week, Pakistani forces were forbidden by their military commanders from even returning fire if they were attacked by forces known to be from NATO.
In turn, this means that even if NATO or US forces were known to be in Pakistani territory without permission, the military's rules meant that they could not be engaged.
In other words, even if the military detected the Abbotabad raid incoming, or was aware of it in progress, it would not allow itself to take any action against it.
Tying together all the stated facts (the US did not alert Pakistan, the helicopters were heard by even the civilians in a garrison town yet there was no military response during or after the raid, etc), and there is only one possible conclusion.
The US raid that killed Bin Laden was identified by the military, who operated under rules that forbade any kind of military escalation against the US, and therefore no action was taken. Even after the raid occured, the military's standing orders forbade any hostile or threatening action against the strike team during their exit from Pakistan.
This whole concept would obviously be politically sensitive in Pakistan (you can imagine papers like Nawa-i-waqt screaming "Pakistan Army ordered to lie down and die if attacked by US") etc, so you will never hear of it from the establishment.
But it makes sense. Pakistan's military, until last week, had a policy of zero-escalation with the US no matter what. The fact that the rules of engagement now permit units under attack to shoot back, means that the military earlier considered it preferable for soldiers to die than escalate a conflict.
Note: Though my post sounds hostile to military command, I fully recognise that it is not my place to pass judgement on such a policy as I don't have access to all the information that they do. I have full confidence in General Kayani that whatever he orders is solely for the benefit of Pakistan.
Re: Zardari, Haqqani knew about Abbottabad operation: Ijaz
No body was involved . Just a lie only
Otherwise everyone close may be involved .
**Do you think that there was any way for civilians **to help US in this all .
President, Prime Minister, Foreign Ministers are not as "civilians" as you are implying, they are in the 'circle of knowledge' whether they have any balls or not or only a (begging) bowl that is a different issue
Re: Zardari, Haqqani knew about Abbottabad operation: Ijaz
Yes but they don;t have any link with defense actually .
They are not able to help anyone in this respect .
Remember the day when they didn't allow R M to enter after GHQ attack .