Peace diwana,
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Posted by diwana
As usual you keep changing the questions and disregarding the answers.:)
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Oh really?
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1- I only tried to post an article to give you a different perspective of the story and answer.
I have posted the article without my comments since there are contents which are based on older times centuries ago and may not even be considered useful or practical these days.
For centuries people have changed the way they ruled over each other and ideas and laws have taken at times 180 degree turn even in one country.
What was best for the time was adopted keeping the core values intact.
I personally am not a believer of khalifaism. This has been shown in my past posts.
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But U went off topic anyways, coz topic is about hindus and not dhimmis, my understanding says that hindus/idolators arent considered dhimmis, the link I provided for support clearly gives U information how noble sahabas broke idols which were associated with belief of some non mulsims. Since they were not supposed to do any such thing with dhimmis, it clearly proves that idolators/hindus were not considered among dhimis. Its just like 2+2=4 if u are willing to accept plain truth.:).
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2- I think by definition of dhimmi cited in the article there seems to be no distinction if a person is idol worshiper or not to be considered dhimmi. I am not an expert on its definition though.
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So does the writer of this article seems not to be an expert, while the noble sahaba were. When they broke idols, they made it very much clear that religious rights of idol worshipper wont be granted. Automatically they were out of fold of dhimmis. Is it so hard to understand? Hence defination of dhimmis in ur article has every chances to be wrong islamically.
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3- The article has clearly shown that non-muslims WERE allowed to practice their religion then why keep bringing this so called 'second class citizen question'?????
Try not to make me give up on you my friend.:)
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U are more than welcome to give up on me if U feel like brother.
The link provided by me clearly shows with reference of authentic ahadiths that sahaba and muslims frequently broke idols which were associated with some ppls belief. U can keep singning ur article shows anything. But, plz think whether idols were broken by sahaba or not? If yes, than how can u or ur writer of the article claim about equal rights? And if not, than keep the guts of saying NO.
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4- The definition of Muahid is in the article. Please click the link.
I took out some parts of the article and placed ......................
since I wanted to post the article where it was most relevant.
Bold parts did mention that there was no difference in the value of life of non-muslim to a muslim in terms of the punishment of the crime.
But off course you had to come up with ANOTHER irrelevant question ignoring the very relevant answers. Obviously you thought it was relevant.;)
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Now I know who is a Mua'hid, thanks. Ur article can mention anything, but its of no use unless it provides evidence to prove what it says, where it fails. While ur article failed to provide any source which can prove that punishment for a muslim and a dhimmi is equal, at the other hand U are frequently ignoring hadith provided by me to prove that a muslim is not eligible of death punishment for murdering a dhimmi. dont U believe in ahadith? U can pat ur back by declaring ur answer as relevent, but for me its worth nothing.
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Citing KSA will not help you my friend. I am not sure if they have what one will call sharia laws. Many muslims do not agree with their version anyway. KSA has no citizenship and hence not even muslims can get citizenship there.
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My dear brother, KSA is the only country today who seems to have any regard for shariyah. Muslims can reject their version of shariyah while sitting in countries which allows every unislamic activity from RIBA to MUSIC. Its just like pot calling kettle black. I was not talking about citizenship of KSA, but was trying to let U know that 100% of citizen of KSA are muslims, in a land were all religions used to live and practice their religion.
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In regards to keeping non-muslims safe, throughout the history non-muslims were safeguarded by muslim states and even during time of fall of Spanish rule Jews were protected and were given safe haven in Turkey.
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Oh thanks for providing knowledge. But was it turky which gave up Islamic laws to give way to secular laws or I m mistaking?
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Many non-muslims or even idol worshipers were appointed governers by muslims even in India ruled by muslims. Both muslim and non-muslim armies fought against a common enemy. No distinction in terms of religion.
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Brother I thought I was talking about muslsims who have any regard for Islamic laws, ie laws of ALLAH. Pl dont give me reference of muslims who were hooked by secular values. We have example of Akbar the great and his Deen e Ilahi with us, but was that Islamically relevent?
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About hindu idols breaking, I will say again, idol worshiping is one of the worst sin considered in Islam. But breaking idols in islamic countries have not been popular. Invaders did this but not really at their homes.
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I can agree coz I m not discussing religion here. U say that breaking idols was not popular in Islamic countries, will U deny those ahadith which states of sahaba breaking or encouraging breaking idols?
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For centuries the statues of Buddha were kept safe in Afghanistan until recently a few people out of of no where came, and decided to destroy them.
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That few ppls came from some Islamic madarsa if U dont know about them. And they could have boasted to be shariyah abiding unlike their mentors. Destroying Buddha was supposed to be a noble action as per their religious teachings.
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For centuries Hindus in India and non-muslims in Spain florished and even took part in government, civil services, army, finances, education and inter-faith marriages.
Also it has been mentioned somewhere (Idiots Guide to islam... book series?), that even british army used those statues as target practice when they tried to conquer Afghanistan. They were not muslims.
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How Islamic of muslim rulers, and british army alike, isnt it?
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And it has been shown throughout this thread that I am using common sense as well my special senses but you seem to have not.:)
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Once again ur supernatural powers have impressed me a lot. How correctly U have judged about my non existant senses. Full marks to U.
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I know you will ask again many questions even irrelevant to keep the thread going. Please do some research with open mind and not put all the responsibility on others for you questions.
*Perhaps the thread need to be closed at some point when it gets even sillier or I stop answering. *
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See ur supernatural power is amazing indeed. U know a lot of things beside everything, how impressing.
I have started worrying about my health when u stop answering my silly questions.
Peace anyways.