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exactly..you are right...its difficult tro go in east and west simultaneously without confusion...and all world knows that except quran ..every book is corrupted...
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Blind faith leads you nowhere. You're digging yourself quite a hole. You're being intolerant. If another person had the same mentality as you, they could claim that their holy scriptures are uncorrupted and spit on Islam and you do to others.
You can't respect something by calling it corrupted. You are degrading it outright, and you are demeaning the people who follow that religion, because you are in essence, calling them idiots.
Dawa. You should think over your words wisely.
And btw, pure Islam may be taken as only the Quran. And when you think about it... who's to say that someone didn't try to corrupt the Quran? Muhammed was the messenger, but he wasn't the author by the pen. Honestly, dude. If you live in a glass house, don't throw stones. People could argue until they die on this subject. Religion is personal to each person, so don't spit on someone else for following a different path.
sister...its the promise of Allah in quran that..He is the protector of it...and i have no doubt about it...in any other religious scripture ..Allah never promissed that..because He did not want to preserve that...but this final revelation was sent in last..when manhood...and human culture and social stance reached itd peak and climax..that this final and greatest revelation was sent to be preserved till last day....
and i am saying that Bible ..is corrupted....sister....the whole world says...4 injeels..all different...not even by his 12 hawaris...only close injeel is BarnaBas..but you do not ponder over it...as its describe the last prophet(pbuh) prophecies....
similarly vedas 5 thousnads years ago..who have written them..nobody knows..hindu veeds..bhagats...rashi...etc used to write it by brain...and nobody knows about that what actually they are old..some say millions of years...
in quran collection....100;s of sahabas unanimously when agreed on a ayat ..then it was written..many sahabas were hufaaz ..in time of rasool....almost all quran was written form....on cloths...camel bones..and stones...and checked all by prophet(pbuh)...so your claim is totally wrong that it was not written...only sahabas ...2 years after prophet(pbuh)...just collected all this written and spreded form into ONE BOOK between two prefaces...or hard cover....
and All Western critics like William Muer accept the authenticity of quran...you can check the authentyicity by comparing the quran in Usman period 1400 years ago in Istanbul Museeum to the quran in your country from any book shop...and ifd you find...a even dot missing in two...then plz...tell the whole world..about this greatest secret of the human history !!!!!!!
and may be your name will be included in Guinese Books of Records ....
if you still doubt that Bible is not corrupted..just listen one lecture of Dr.Zakir Naik...he is the most greatest scholar of Bible on the face of earth toiday...and his CD is also available that 50,000 faults in bible....he will post martum your whole false babilical scriptures....
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nope sir..when quran came..every previous book..scripture and testament was cancelled...as new edition of a book...though the many part is similar to old version...but taught in schools or colleges with this new edition...and paper is also compiled from new version of a book...
so in qiyyammat...also the questions will ask by taking that book...not older one...
anyways..in vedas..not a single vesre says to worship idols...and now 70 karaors indians worship it...
it is written that Gosd has no image in some Upanishads ...still you make 3 arms...7 heads etc...
Dr..Zakir Naik lectures on hinduism ....will be better for any hindu..that they even not folow tier religious scriptures ...they jsut follow thier pandits and jigi etc...
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...and all world knows that except quran ..every book is corrupted...
Really? And how do you figure that every other scripture is corrupted?
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first tell me..what you are..christian hindu..then i will tell you .?
i think hindu from indian..have not seen in Mumbai Dr.Zakir Naik ever ??
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sister...its the promise of Allah in quran that..He is the protector of it...and i have no doubt about it...in any other religious scripture ..Allah never promissed that..because He did not want to preserve that...but this final revelation was sent in last..when manhood...and human culture and social stance reached itd peak and climax..that this final and greatest revelation was sent to be preserved till last day....
So God had no intentions of preserving his initial revelations? I wonder why he wasted his time? I find it very hard to believe that however much 7th century Arab worship one may be under, he can say with a straight face that was when "human culture and social stance reached its peak and climax".
Your whole hypothesis on every scripture being corrupt outside of the Quran is deeply embedded in opinion that you believe God promised it. It was still compiled by men and by the memory of man. Until God releases his own manuscript in his own handwriting - it is conjucture, plain and simple.
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because ..they were not preserved by allah...as allah did not want tp preserve that...with thousands of years..when human race ..and society became civilized...and cultured...and almost reached at its maximum..then quran was revaeled...at the heifghts..as it was best of allah revelation...for the best of whole humanity...once again i remeber you that...quran is not for muslims...for whole of humanity...previous scriptures were limited to particular nation...delivered by particular prophet for that nation....and for particular time and with each new one came down...previous was obsolete...and since there was not anything after quran ..so muhammad(pbuh) was sent not only for arabs but indians means pakistanis..indians and bangladeshi also...not for particular time but whole time till qiyyammah...
thats why ..quran is preserved as it was the last one..and is last one...but other scriptures were not permanent..but temperory..thats the reason why allah not preserved them.....
best regards
wasalam.
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because ..they were not preserved by allah...as allah did not want tp preserve that...with thousands of years..when human race ..and society became civilized...and cultured...and almost reached at its maximum..then quran was revaeled...at the heifghts..as it was best of allah revelation...for the best of whole humanity...
I have read that the Islamic version of pre-Muslim Arabia was that it was a period of ignorance. Arabs were a collection of scattered, constantly feuding tribes with no culture or sense of unity or morals. Quite the opposite of the cultured and civilized society or best of whole humanity you describe.
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once again i remeber you that...quran is not for muslims...for whole of humanity...previous scriptures were limited to particular nation...delivered by particular prophet for that nation....and for particular time and with each new one came down...previous was obsolete...and since there was not anything after quran ..so muhammad(pbuh) was sent not only for arabs but indians means pakistanis..indians and bangladeshi also...not for particular time but whole time till qiyyammah...
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Again, that is opinion. And that's fine, because that is all we have when discussing these issues no matter how much we think we know it to be the truth. But there is nothing in Christ's teachings that limit his message to a certain place, time and people. On the contrary, it is not necessary to know and follow the history, language and culture of the time as it is in other religions.
While a Muslim may believe in the eternal message of the Quran, I imagine the earlier Abrahamic religions also believe that of their own scripture. It just would not make sense for God to reveal his message with the intent that it was temporary, incorrect or for only a certain people. If so, he would have made a more natural flow from religion to religion. Cuz here we are thousands of years later and a huge division exists between the religions - so huge tht some predict it is the clash of civilizations that will be the catalyst that ends civilization.
If he had these previous revelations that were temporary and for a specific people, then it only would make sense peoples of Europe, Americas, Africa and elsewhere would have also received scriptures. But the myopic view of the Abrahamic religions does not allow for that.
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So God had no intentions of preserving his initial revelations? I wonder why he wasted his time? I find it very hard to believe that however much 7th century Arab worship one may be under, he can say with a straight face that was when "human culture and social stance reached its peak and climax".
Your whole hypothesis on every scripture being corrupt outside of the Quran is deeply embedded in opinion that you believe God promised it. It was still compiled by men and by the memory of man. Until God releases his own manuscript in his own handwriting - it is conjucture, plain and simple.
Bingo.
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thanks, dawa dil.
indeed quran is our holy book.
because ..they were not preserved by allah...as allah did not want tp preserve that...with thousands of years..when human race ..and society became civilized...and cultured...and almost reached at its maximum..then quran was revaeled...at the heifghts..as it was best of allah revelation...for the best of whole humanity...once again i remeber you that...quran is not for muslims...for whole of humanity...previous scriptures were limited to particular nation...delivered by particular prophet for that nation....and for particular time and with each new one came down...previous was obsolete...and since there was not anything after quran ..so muhammad(pbuh) was sent not only for arabs but indians means pakistanis..indians and bangladeshi also...not for particular time but whole time till qiyyammah...
thats why ..quran is preserved as it was the last one..and is last one...but other scriptures were not permanent..but temperory..thats the reason why allah not preserved them..... best regards wasalam.
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^^ but still i am waiting for your answer of post 20...plz..also reply that....
with truth of your heart and honesty..as you like these two qualities..and dislikes "anyone" including him which you liked most once and still you like him .....who do not possess these qualities...
plz...reply...
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Silence.....
for two weeks ..i have been asking this question to you...and no response from you....
well...khamoshi == neem razamandi..... for specially girls....
so ...the only reason which you are avoiding to answer this question is that you do not consider quran...which was collected by sahabas ..as complete and believe that quran is altered or incomplete....
but you do not realize this ffact that..if this would be the case..why Ali...the lion of God...and one of the most bravest sahabi of prophet(pbuh) did not bring out his :OWN QURAN" ..during 4 years of his caliphate....can we expect some cowardness from this brave manof not bringing out his quran...!!!!!
atleast..i have no courage to even think about ali..of being coward !!!!!
so..its means that ali...not brought out his quran..as it was the same as collected by the sahabas...only difference of "Tarteeb"...so ali..obeyed the "Ijma" maens..consensus of all muslim ummah.....
and still you people are in doubt of quran.....
and this fact is so painful for us...the supreme pillar of islam...around which..the whole islam revolves...even you not consider it validate....
so painful...so painful !!!!!!
i do not know that zaidi shia negate the quran also...
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because ..they were not preserved by allah...as allah did not want tp preserve that...with thousands of years..when human race ..and society became civilized...and cultured...and almost reached at its maximum..then quran was revaeled...at the heifghts..as it was best of allah revelation...for the best of whole humanity...once again i remeber you that...quran is not for muslims...for whole of humanity...previous scriptures were limited to particular nation...delivered by particular prophet for that nation....and for particular time and with each new one came down...previous was obsolete...and since there was not anything after quran ..so muhammad(pbuh) was sent not only for arabs but indians means pakistanis..indians and bangladeshi also...not for particular time but whole time till qiyyammah...
thats why ..quran is preserved as it was the last one..and is last one...but other scriptures were not permanent..but temperory..thats the reason why allah not preserved them..... best regards wasalam.
I don't buy this height of civilisation thingie. If God was waiting for a better peiod than he should have waited till now and we would have had the revelations in digital format which is easier to save and preserve and distribute.
BTW earlier you mentioned Zaki, do you think he became a good debator by not studying the other scriptures.
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I don't buy this height of civilisation thingie. If God was waiting for a better peiod than he should have waited till now and we would have had the revelations in digital format which is easier to save and preserve and distribute.
That makes sense. Compiling handwritten notes on cloth, camel bones and stones - dictated to others by memory - is not the most reliable permanent record
And it is obvious that 7th century Arabia was not the height of civilization. Islamic history even attests to that. Now one may argue that the post-Muhammed era was, but certainly not at the time of revelation.
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sorry to say brother..we are living at the worst level of civilization..and it further will drop down...materialism and spirtualism ratio of 1400 years and today will ashtonish you today...what happening is West..what happening is Pakistan...science and technology are not the indicators only of human civilizations...the indulgence of bodily pleasures.... money....self centerdness...and wordly desires...believe me..we are at the lowest level....
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brother...each ayat was written by confirming tens of sahabas which were hufaaz and checked in his life by muhammad(pbuh) totally....
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I was under the impression the final version of the Quran was not compiled until some 20 years after Muhammed's death?
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I was under the impression the final version of the Quran was not compiled until some 20 years after Muhammed's death?
Compiled as a codified, physical book. It's layout and contents were otherwise well known.
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OMG..who have told you that.....
the whole quran was written on clothes..camel bones ...and clothes.by sahabas...different parts were to different sahabas...all cecked by prophet(pbuh)...and compiled ..i think...after the battle of yamamama...in a year after prophet(pbuh) death.....
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sorry to say brother..we are living at the worst level of civilization..and it further will drop down...materialism and spirtualism ratio of 1400 years and today will ashtonish you today...what happening is West..what happening is Pakistan...science and technology are not the indicators only of human civilizations...the indulgence of bodily pleasures.... money....self centerdness...and wordly desires...believe me..we are at the lowest level....
Then why the revelation times are known as dor e jahiliya. See what I am trying to say here is we don't need to justify the timing itself, if you do that it becomes debatable. It was the right time because God decided so. No more no less.