Re: Wondering how the Prophet might have responded to the cartoons..
We do not know how HE(saw) would hav responded. like i said i could bring hadiths saying that he would have attacked them but then who knows how he would have reacted.....its best to stay silent on these matters and not make assummptions.
How is it that for almost every aspect of life, including the unimportant and mundane, there is clarity on how to act based on the teachngs of the prophet, but for something as important as this "it is best to stay silent" and "we do not know"?
Re: Wondering how the Prophet might have responded to the cartoons..
armaghul,
Even if the tradition/hadiths about the Holy Prophet (saw) asking to kill the man who insulted him through poetry is taken to be true for the sake of argument, even then the Holy Prophet’s countless traditions of mercy, compassion and forgiveness vastly outnumber this one or two traditions of revenge. And sunnah is considered to be Holy Prophet’s nature and no one can argue that his nature was of compassion, mercy and love. Maybe your understanding of sunnah is different than mine.
And if someone says something bad about my father & I have known my father to be forgiving of such acts, I would forgive and forget to. Because respecting & loving my father is to be like him, not otherwise.
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yes, be tolerant and keep kissing the feet of the western world....
today it was the prophet, tomorrow Allah....
u just keep tolerating this....
a sorry reponse that i see here from muslims....
where is the sahabi who got himself killed but refused to say a bad word to the Prophet (saw), and here the muslims found that when someone insults ur prophet u become tolerant....
i dont know whether to laugh or cry at this!!!!
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Nobody is advocating ignoring it armughal. What people here are saying is to do battle with words by educating the "ignorant" instead of simply killing them or reacting violently.
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The answers given in the initial post were anything but 'kissing the feet of the western world', 'sorry response' or tolerating the insult. They were practical and peaceful solutions that require something more than raw emotion, threats and violence. What a shame that some can't seek spiritual solutions instead of relenting to their mindless bravado.
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Are these the things the prophet would do? Does it do anything to promote Islam as anything other than a radical, violent religion to non-Muslims?
That's a lost cause Seminole, and you're proof positive of that. For the most part, most of us support the boycott or actions like that. It's a welcome change.
That these headlines are what grasps your attention, ignoring all other dialogue - not to mention staying mum on the anti-Muslim cartoons, really doesn't provide hope in non-Muslim attitudes towards Muslim.
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Throughout the period of his mission, Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) experienced all manners of difficulty. Deniers and polytheists from among his own people insulted him most terribly, even calling him a magician or a madman. Others wanted to kill him and even schemed to do so. Despite all that, the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) tried to teach people of all backgrounds and cultures about the Qur’an, and therefore about proper morality and good behavior.
In many verses in the Qur’an, Allah advises the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) to be patient despite the words of unbelievers:
We must remember the kind of things Allah’s Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) was patient for, and take him as a model when dealing with their own difficulties. Those who despair at the slightest problem, who are unable to bear the smallest objection, who stop preaching the religion of Allah, or who lose hope when their business dealings go wrong, must be aware that such behavior is incompatible with Allah’s holy book and the sayings and deeds of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him). Believers must always be patient, take Allah as their helper and give thanks to Him, adopt the superior morality of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), and hope for the mercy, compassion and Paradise of our Lord.
The Prophet’s human love, kind thought, and compassion, which turned those around him to true religion and warmed their hearts to faith, is that superior morality which all Muslims should seek to reproduce.
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i said a simple thing. One cannot say this is How the Rasool would react in this kinda situation as we do not know How he would react and we are then speaking abt our prophet(saw) without knowledge. U can Quote these hadiths and yes it is possible he would do that and react in that way but then i could say i believe the Rasool would act and attack.
for example check out this hadith....
Ya’qūb said, my father told us from Ibn Is’hāq, who said Yahyā ibn ‘Urqah ibn az-Zubayr told me from his father from ‘Abdullāh ibn ‘Amr al-‘Ās, who said: I said to him, “What is the worst act of enmity that the Quraysh had done against the Messenger of Allāh?” He replied, “I went to Al-Hijr one day, and their dignitaries were there talking about theMessenger of Allāh…So they said, “We never tolerated a man like the way we did Muhammad… He has mocked our elders, cursed our forefathers, criticized our religion, divided our community, and attacked our gods! We indeed have been very patient with him regarding a grave matter.” While they were at that state, the Messenger of Allāh (salutations and blessings be upon him) came walking to Ar-Rukn. Then he went around the Ka’bah (making Tawāf three times). When he passed by them, they started to mock him by repeating some of his (own) sayings. I looked at the Prophet and
*could see the anger in his face. And when he passed by them the second time, they mocked him again, and I saw the anger in his face (once more)- then he walked (away). *
Then when he passed by them for the third time and they had mocked him again – the Prophet (salutations and blessings be upon him) replied: “O people of Quraysh! Hear this: By Him in Whose Hand is the soul of Muhammad- I have come to you, to slaughter you.”
His words struck them so severely, that there wasn’t any man from amongst them, except it was as if there was a bird falling upon his head (i.e. they were shocked, terrorized, and dumbfounded) – such that even the one who was the most wickedly harsh against the Prophet before this, was saying the most kind and tender words he could think of; such that even one of them said, “O Abul-Qāsim (Muhammad): Go! Go, O righteous one! Indeed, By Allāh, you are not ignorant!” So the Messenger of Allāh left. The next day, they gathered together to meet at Al-Hijr and I was with them. They asked each other, “Do you remember what he said to you, and what you said to him? To such a degree, that he manifested to you that which you hate, yet you let him go!” So when they were in this state, the Messenger showed up again. So they all immediately surrounded him, and interrogated, “Are you the one who is mocking our gods and our religion?” The Prophet replied, “Yes. I am the one who says these things.” I saw one of them (beginning to) pull the garment of the Prophet, but Abū Bakr jumped and stood between them and him. While crying, Abū Bakr said, “Would you kill a man because he says: My Lord is Allāh” ? [Ghāfir: 28] Upon that, they left him. This was the worst thing I saw from the Quraysh against the Prophet (salutations and blessings be upon him). - - - End of Hadīth. Narrated by Imām Ahmad ibn Hanbal ﻪﻤﺣر ﷲا in his Musnad (11/203, # 7036). Imām Ahmad Shākir ﻪﻤﺣر ﷲا declared its chain to be authentic, and said, “Isnāduhu Sahīh.” He also mentioned that it is narrated by Ibn Hajar al-Haythamī in Mujma’ Az-Zawā’id (6/15-16), and was pointed to by Ibn Hajar al-‘Asqalānī in Al-Fat’h (7/128), and Ibn Kathīr mentioned that it was narrated by al-Bayhaqī in At-Tārīkh (3/46).
and what are we talking abt?? someone actually drawing the Rasool something which is condemned in islaam. the Kuffar Know that we do not accept Pictures of the rasool(saw) yet they still did one. i could use this hadith and say "the Rasool(saw) would have attacked them but i did not as Allaah(swt) knows best....Not us!
i say simply, dont assume how the prophet(saw) would act. Why dont You act According to His teachings. its about time we told these kuffar how it is. its abt time we act! think about it. they mock our religion day and night and u think newspaper condemnation is gna change them??
By Allaah(swt) they will continue to curse, mock and insult us until we stand up for ourselves!
Re: Wondering how the Prophet might have responded to the cartoons..
That these headlines are what grasps your attention, ignoring all other dialogue - not to mention staying mum on the anti-Muslim cartoons, really doesn't provide hope in non-Muslim attitudes towards Muslim.
The reason these headlines grab everyones attention is, those of you who support boycotts and other civilized actions do nothing to distance yourselves from the fanatics. To the contrary, you legitimize their actions by saying that those commit crimes should not be faulted. The attitude Non-Muslims, by and large, have towards are a direct consequence of Muslim deeds and words.
Re: Wondering how the Prophet might have responded to the cartoons..
That these headlines are what grasps your attention, ignoring all other dialogue - not to mention staying mum on the anti-Muslim cartoons, really doesn't provide hope in non-Muslim attitudes towards Muslim.
What grasped my attention is in this thread where these well thought out, high road reactions that were proposed were called cowardly, kissing up, shameful and not showing love to the prophet. NameInUse is spot on with his post. Distance yourself from the headline grabbers and those who deny the prophet would not take a peaceful and intelligent approach to these situations.
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Bullsh*t. Have you been reading this forum at all? This very bloody forum, and you still have this view. That's exactly what I mean by it being a lost cause.
There is NOTHING wrong with the boycott...but any violence is clearly uncalled for. I shouldn't have to state that position...but this is the problem in dealing with outsiders who demand a public penance. We get on the defensive, then you accuse us of being shifty....or worse. Any attempt at explaning our position automatically becomes an aplogia for those who resort to violence.
Who the hell are you demanding that we show you anything, when we individually have not given you a reason to doubt us? You do some freaking work for once, and show us you're not an anti-Muslim bigot.
All we can do is put forward our position clearly...your demand that we go off and confront everyone we disagree with (while yourself doing nothing to bridge the gap) is more than a full time job...and in the meantime the bigots are free to prance about while you sit on your arse invoking freedom of expression. Nice.
All we ask for is recognition that at the very least the bomb-on-head cartoon goes beyond tasteless humor, to inciting hate. Disagree, fine...at least put forward a reason why...but you won't even afford us that much communication.
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Why should I waste my breath, Seminole? Will I get a positive headline myself, or simply a silent pat on the head from your ilk. Oh wow...what a reward.
If an afro-American man is convicted of murder, do you make it a habit to ask all African Americans to prove that they're not murderers, or that they should distance themselves from those who are? You'd get a kick in the head is what you'd get.
We don't need your conditional support.
What we do is for ourselves, not because it gives you warm and fuzzies.
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It’s a simple issue of hate…When you hate someone, you try to attack the thing he loves most in way that is offensive…
And to stand up to hate is everyone’s right…They can choose to ignore it for the sake of manners, tolerance or good faith, but ignorants like to dance on the heads of those with good morality…
So no amount of tolerance in their case would have done any good…They would have come out with second versions of these cartoons…
This is a quote from the Bible:
Proverbs 1:22
**How long, you simple ones, will you love simplicity? How long will mockers delight themselves in mockery, and fools hate knowledge?
**Many Christians will be aware, that in order to bring down the status of a person, fools and ignorants use mockery as a tool…
Herod used the crown of thorns and tattered clothes to mock Jesus for his claims to being the king of kings…
Moses was mocked, Abraham, Noah, John (Peace and blessings be upon them all) e.t.c. all Prophets of Allah :swt: were mocked…
The ideas presented by Zakk may be good, but as the Bible teaches, one does not teach or weather the fool…
One talks in a language the fool understands…
That is all non-Muslim stuff…
However as Muslims, we are taught even to teach the fools and bear their foolishness…
But, in this case it wasn;t foolishness…It was a deliberate attempt to mock Muslims…
Who doesn’t know that Muslims dislike depictions of their Prophet :saw:? So only someone who hates your guts would resort to such attempts and be supported by the same kind…
No moral person with any amount of decency would either support this or be part of it in any way…Because obviously, he would know that to do such is tantamount to hatred…
Re: Wondering how the Prophet might have responded to the cartoons..
Guys I seriously dont think that the Prophet would have taken this in a negative way... I think he would understand that when you live as a guest in another persons house, you respect the norms of that house... And this just doesnt seem like something that he would have been insulted by...
Re: Wondering how the Prophet might have responded to the cartoons..
What we do is for ourselves, not because it gives you warm and fuzzies.
I am talking about this thread where the compassionate, intelligent, peaceful proposals presented were called called cowardly, kissing up, shameful and not showing love to the prophet by none other than the esteemed moderator.
BTW any opinion I have on this subject is not for my benefit, but for yours.
