Re: Wiki leaks........... possible impact on pakistani politics ?
You could be right but I am not totally convinced that Saudis wanted Zardari to cooperate when US wanted to remove enriched uranium from Pakistan's facilities. From what I see, as arabs wanted US to 'attack' Iran and de-nuke it, they must have wanted Pakistan to provide info to US to convince to the world that Iran is making nukes and hence needed the attack.
Brother, what you wrote is perception of imagination, not the excerpt we are discussing, that is recent leak in front of us.
According to that leak of information, there is no such thing that Arabs wanting Zardari to provide information to US to convince to the world that Iran is making leak (neither Arabs have any right to ask Pakistan for such things, anyhow).
According to that leak of information, this is what we have:
[quote] Other findings include how since 2007, America had mounted a highly secret effort to remove from a Pakistani research reactor enriched uranium for a nuclear bomb. Frustrations with Pakistan were reflected in reported comments by King Abdullah who called President Asif Ali Zardari the greatest obstacle to progress, adding: “When the head is rotten, it affects the whole body.”
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That is, in 2007 American mounted a highly secret effort to remove enriched uranium from Pakistan to reduce or eliminate Pakistan nuclear capability, and further according to leak, that caused frustration with Pakistan that resulted in King Abdullah making comment against Zardari ... shows that King Abdullah and American are both involved in this secret effort, and King Abduallh showing frustration due to effort not getting success.
Re: Wiki leaks........... possible impact on pakistani politics ?
Well done, guys. You managed to see conspiracy-theories even in this case.
Is there people from any other country calling these wiki-leaks "conspiracy"? Or is it just Pakistanis?
How many people do you see seeing this as 'conspiracy theory'?
Brother, what you wrote is perception of imagination, not the excerpt we are discussing, that is recent leak in front of us.
According to that leak of information, there is no such thing that Arabs wanting Zardari to provide information to US to convince to the world that Iran is making leak (neither Arabs have any right to ask Pakistan for such things, anyhow).
According to that leak of information, this is what we have:
That is, in 2007 American mounted a highly secret effort to remove enriched uranium from Pakistan to reduce or eliminate Pakistan nuclear capability, and further according to leak, that caused frustration with Pakistan that resulted in King Abdullah making comment against Zardari ... shows that King Abdullah and American are both involved in this secret effort, and King Abduallh showing frustration due to effort not getting success.
How can Zardari be in the way when he wasn't even close to power in 2007? What am I missing here?
Re: Wiki leaks........... possible impact on pakistani politics ?
Wow.. Zardari the obstacle, King Abduallah Asking US to attack Iran... Mushy and Zardari are actually hero who saved Pakistan's nuclear program by not letting US see it... is that all or does the WikiLeaks also talks about who is funding the Talibans in Pakistan, who is providing them with arms and ammunition in Pakistan and Afghanistan... and list goes on...
surprisingly, the wikiLeaks have not said something we already didn't knew... e.g. we know that Afghan Govt is corrupt and we know the Saudi King do not like Zardari ( it is not secret from day one, it is not only Saudi, other GCC state have same feeling for Zardari.. for whatever reason) we know that US is after Pakistan's nuclear program and we also know that how much access the president of Pakistan have to these programs...
and like Captain1 said, how come one soldier gets access to whole lot of information, does that mean this information is readily available to all the soldiers despite their rank and responsibility or does this mean that US military does not have sound security system and it can be breached by any tom, dick and harry...
Saleem1 is right, we have not seen the complete truth and he quoted Quran in this matter, anyhow he should know the source of information is also very important aspect in analyzing any information...how would we know that they have released all the truth and have not edited it to suit themselves?
Re: Wiki leaks........... possible impact on pakistani politics ?
Do I detect another Conspiracy?
Maybe Julain Assange is a deep cover CIA operative who is releasing these information so that US allies can be implicated and US it self vindicated?
LOL.
Mr Genius
Julian Assange himself said in press conference about the earlier leaks that these are only as accurate as the peopel compiling the documents want them to be. Wikileaks is nothign more than a conduit or a website publishing the info. It has nothing to do with WHO and HOW the leaks of thousands of documents are perpetrated.
Re: Wiki leaks........... possible impact on pakistani politics ?
I don't think there is anything new or interesting in these documents. Most of this stuff is well known & is public domain and can be access by doing simple google search (that is if you're not up to date with current affairs). If you're a news junkie, there are no TOP secrets in these documents.
The Saudi king considers President Asif Ali Zardari the greatest obstacle to progress in Pakistan, according to scathing comments reported by the New York Times in leaked US diplomatic cables.
“When the head is rotten it affects the whole body,” King Abdullah was quoted as saying.
Zardari is deeply unpopular at home. Tainted by corruption allegations and nicknamed “Mr. 10 Percent,” he spent 11 years in jail on charges ranging from corruption to murder, but has never been convicted.
His spokesman on Monday dismissed the reported insult from one of Pakistan’s closest allies.
Zardari considers King Abdullah “his elder brother,” Farhatullah Babar told AFP from Colombo where the Pakistani leader is paying an official visit.
“The so-called leaks are no more than an attempt to create misperceptions between two important and brotherly Muslim countries,” Babar said.
Pakistan has condemned the staggered release of up to quarter of a million confidential American diplomatic cables by whistleblower website WikiLeaks, calling the leaks an “irresponsible disclosure of sensitive official doucments.”
Pretty much all politicians in India are corrupt to the core. The Telecom scandal, Adarsh housing flat scandal in Mumbai have exposed these politicians. The whole system is rotten, and the common man doesnt care.
Re: Wiki leaks........... possible impact on pakistani politics ?
I believe that these are very carefully leaked article.
No harm to US but harmful for others.
Like the comments of King about President Zardari.
These may be true but how much harmful for relations of Pakistan and S.A.
I think that such comments may be often passed about others.
Why not comments about Israel.
Re: Wiki leaks........... possible impact on pakistani politics ?
For 'Pakistan' it would be nothing less and nothing more than looking into a 'Dirty Stained' mirror hence no extra ordinary 'Big' issues.
For the rest of the world its not only embarrassing but alos time to check their well secured vaults and diplomacy procedures.
Re: Wiki leaks........... possible impact on pakistani politics ?
the questions is will this really impact the current ongoing operations. Or is it just another example of "staying the course" and fooling the world with information already available.
Re: Wiki leaks........... possible impact on pakistani politics ?
It sort of does answer the question, but still leaves wide array of questions. In the company I work, not all info is available to everyone. Everybody has access to the info required for their job. How can a soldier have access to the communication between different diplomats, what Saudi king thought of Pakistan's president and all that sh!t? I still don't buy it, there has to be some deliberate operation to allow that to happen. We are talking about US military here, not Pakistan's police force who probably rely on local companies to run their network (if any exists).
The US Soldier works in the US Military Intelligence. In post 9/11, due to heavy criticism of lack of information sharing they merged their networks. And over 1 Million people in USA have such clearance to view such documents.
Bradley Manning managed to download all that information and give it to wikileaks.
That is why whatever has been revelaed by wikileaks is not really a big shocker.
Re: Wiki leaks........... possible impact on pakistani politics ?
Wow.. Zardari the obstacle, King Abduallah Asking US to attack Iran... Mushy and Zardari are actually hero who saved Pakistan's nuclear program by not letting US see it... is that all or does the WikiLeaks also talks about who is funding the Talibans in Pakistan, who is providing them with arms and ammunition in Pakistan and Afghanistan... and list goes on...
surprisingly, the wikiLeaks have not said something we already didn't knew... e.g. we know that Afghan Govt is corrupt and we know the Saudi King do not like Zardari ( it is not secret from day one, it is not only Saudi, other GCC state have same feeling for Zardari.. for whatever reason) we know that US is after Pakistan's nuclear program and we also know that how much access the president of Pakistan have to these programs...
and like Captain1 said, how come one soldier gets access to whole lot of information, does that mean this information is readily available to all the soldiers despite their rank and responsibility or does this mean that US military does not have sound security system and it can be breached by any tom, dick and harry...
Saleem1 is right, we have not seen the complete truth and he quoted Quran in this matter, anyhow he should know the source of information is also very important aspect in analyzing any information...how would we know that they have released all the truth and have not edited it to suit themselves?
Maybe because what was revelation was not classified as Top Secret.
This is like reading your in-laws private e-mails and seeing how they actually feel about you.
Re: Wiki leaks........... possible impact on pakistani politics ?
Mr Genius
Julian Assange himself said in press conference about the earlier leaks that these are only as accurate as the peopel compiling the documents want them to be. Wikileaks is nothign more than a conduit or a website publishing the info. It has nothing to do with WHO and HOW the leaks of thousands of documents are perpetrated.
Exactly.
Then why this tangent towards a conspiracy theory?
Pakistanis are soo obsessed about conspiracy theories. If some told a Pakistani that the world used to be flat and America made it round, they would believe that too.
Re: Wiki leaks........... possible impact on pakistani politics ?
Haan? ^ What operations? Pakistan Specific or USA+Nato Specific ?
I don't see any reason for any interuptions to the either !
USA specific operations. As you said, their might not be a reason for disruption in the current operations in Iraq or Afghanistan. Those documents due highlight the fact that their strategy is miserably failing in both countries. A recent example would be the Impostor Taliban commander who held high level talks with the senior NATO and Afghan officials and got away unscathed.
Merc2k: Even if the information from these files is not highly classified material you still have to admit it is damaging to their security interests in the regions where they are operating. What do you think the European or Middle Eastern countries will take away from the release of these files? What position does it put them in? Does it mean a shift in foreign policy negotiations?
Re: Wiki leaks........... possible impact on pakistani politics ?
1) then y the big fuss from the US administration ? however, i agree whatever SECRETS were told in these leaks were widely known
2) lol! that is funny and may be this is frustration...
Well wouldn't you make a big fuss if someone read your e-mails and published them online?
Or you had a secret diary and its contents were made available...
Its another thing if US Nuclear Codes or Top secret stuff like that got leaked...but these internal memos, candid opinions are private.
So just as you would not feel good if your private conversations got leaked online....so you can understand the fuss that US is creating
And with good reason....
This leak of Diplomatic Cables is absolutely stupid. The Iraq War and Afghan War combat reports actually newsworthy documentation because its just numbers and stats.