Why Muslim women were mutilated in Gujarat

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Same reason why bush is still in office- it's one of the failures of democracy. Modi really helped Gujarat prosper economically(state is growing at Japan-like growth rates of 14%-15%). So they voted for him. Most of his supporters probably think Modi is innocent- so that might be another reason.

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I havent attacked any fundoos from Pakistan. I am just questioning the integrity of a poster who always open indian bashing thread. If some1 like fair&b opened a thread of similar kind I can give my views but not to this guy who advocates violence against religious minority and believes the supremacy of muslims over anything living.

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Because muslim men in Gujrat didn't have enough weapon to protect there women!

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Every time these people try to expose that other communities are anti-Muslim, and on the contrary these articles are printed, reprinted and modified to inflame Muslim anger against other communities.

Who burned the boggy full of passengers including women and children at Godhra? .......The fact is that Muslims have never accepted or recognized any blames in entire history for many inhuman crimes committed by them against other communities.

Re the burning boggy….’a Muslim mob had gathered there and was pelting stones at the burning boggy’….this fact has been removed from the article given by lahori_bhai in his starting post.

I wonder why the good, kind and peace loving Muslims did not offer any help to the victims….

Just imagine how Muslims would react if a vice-versa scenario takes place in an Islamic State.

Ps, my post does not mean that I justify the violence that took place against Muslims in Gujrat.

Godhra or no Godhra….Hindus had no right to attack and kill Muslims.

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Considering the fact that your own Supreme Court's inquiry found that the fire started inside the train, most likely the result of a cooking accident, the answer to your question is probably the kar sevaks themselves.

First of all, you fabricated that it quote. It does not appear anywhere in the original article.

Secondly, the article does mention that the train was pelted with stones as it was leaving the station (not as it was burning, as you claim)...and that sentence is included in lahori's post.

I'm sure it had something to do with the fact that some of the associates of the victims had gotten into a fight with the local Muslims, and had tried to abduct a Muslim girl.

But you're right...they should have helped the people on the train nonetheless.

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And what of present day Somalia? unfortunately in the muslim community woman is shunned if raped or worse is committed to her including killing her off to restore the family 'honor'. sadly, this also happens in the indian religions also of hindu and sikh.

Religion needs a major review and revision (but then again it is written by men so what can you expect?) as it has severly condemned women to much mysogyny and misplaced agression because it depends on a woman's clitoris and hymen to maintain a status of purity and honor in the world. and always the woman is blamed for a man raping her. butchery and murder in the name of good is great, but a woman to have the rights to independently decide how and when she will use her sexual organ is a cataclysmic event causing much rabid foaming and venomous butchery and sujugation perpertrated against the female sex.

blaming a woman for being raped changed when society became enlightened and seperated religion from state. In the west a woman after being raped is medically examined and cared for and her assailant(s) pursued via legal action. Sometimes the punishment is not what was expected but a woman can freely speak up and not be afraid to do so. In many countries of the non -infidel women are too afraid to speak up as family memembers will kill her. Where do they get this warped sense of righteous murder ?? religion, yes your warped fundamentalist and extremist religious teachings which has fostered these acts and the regular religiously minded who stand by and condemn by shunning the victim.

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janab-e-ali....write Godhra in you browsers search coloumn and read some of the articles that appeare....you will easily find the reports that in fact a Muslim mob was busy in shouting and pelting stones at the burning boggy.

Anyhow have Muslims ever recognised any faults or crimes against other communities in entire history? Off course never.

For your information the Supreme Court of India has necer made such report as it is mentioned by you.

And off course whatever is written in your favou enla art. by your lahori_bhai is the only truth and whatever is written against your people is totally biased, fabricated.....

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This coming from someone who probably still believes that Muslims set fire to the train because they're just so plain evil.

And what are you basing that on?

Just off the top of my head...Nader Shah isn't too popular among South Asian Muslims because of what he did...Amir Timur is cursed from Iran to India...in more recent times, the Armenian genocide has been recognized by a number of Muslim countries.

Indians, on the other hand, seem to idolize any historical figure who massacred and oppressed Muslims...

Go google the "UC Banerjee Commission" and see what comes up :biggthumb

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Muslims did start the riot by attacking and throwing stones and objects into the crowded train.

Of course the fire was started by the passengers cooking a meal. Did the throwing of objects and rocks into the train by muslims cause the people on the train to dash about and then tip the cooking fire?

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Actually ,*** you are wrong***, the Supreme Courty of India did and one of my links I posted in a previous post on this thread has the detailed report in english.

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Supreme Court of India has never come to this conclusion…..so uberalles and janab-e-ali must check and recheck their own posts and information.

This is the basic problem that Muslims pick up anything that appears in their favor and mould the report the way it suits them.

And off course….have Muslims ever recognized any crimes committed by them against other communities. They are unhappy that some of their rulers were not kind with them but they deny the fact when the same rulers massacred other communities ..re Nadirshah Abdali.

Re American genocide….I like that janab-e-ali has used this word.
How many Muslims in Arab & Asian countries really believe that the planes were actually highjacked and crashed by Muslims? Same, as it is in the Godhra case, the Muslim propaganda has used any kind of loose press materials to prove their points.

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Hey you are way off base. I said I made links now go read before you manifest your ignorance further. The supreme court of India did so investigate and after four years concluded the fire started becauase of cooking.

by the by, yes i am muslim but in no way do i defend islam or muslims when i see wrong, i will challenge and condemn and refuse to believe in some of the idiocracy which is based on troglodyte mentality. So don't assume for aminute a support muslim because I am muslim. I am woman firstly , with a free choice, a free mind and raised to be independent and not religiously warped or entrenched in dogma. there is much wrong with the way islam is practiced and promoted not only in islamic countries but glaringly so in the west. So don't brush me with a braod cloth of being a muslim i will automatically latch on to anything pro muslim

I admire people like Wilder's , Van Gogh , Hirsi Ali and many others who select free speech, free will , free expression and pursue humanitarian and secular issues over religious dogma and its often mysogynistic diatribe. I have seen how it suppresses and subjugates and forces submission out of people. It destroys human essence: creativity, independent thinking, and personal desire if you allow it to permeate your blood. One must study philosophy, ie Voltaire, Kung, Spinoza , math, art, literature (from all over the world authors) , science , sport to counterbalance one's life and maintain the human essence.

And i stand by the Indian goverment's discovery. it doesn't take a genius to find more info on the internet. try it. you might enlighten yourself in this issue greatly to benefit your future responses with factual presentation and representation. pursue remedial reading lessons if required.

And have muslims ever recognize the attrocities they commit you ask. Some do and then they get threats to their lives from others and others are too afraid and many are too ignorant to question. Becuase under islamic teaching, questioning is not encouraged nor promoted. It's all submission, don't think, don't ak, just submit if you want to be a good servant of Allah's. Well, manya horrible act is done for Allah and belief Allah wills it and blesses it so. This to me is one of the biggest problems of the muslim world ----- denial, denial and more denial or head in sand. I primarily concern myself with the supression of women and the general lives of people and the attrocities commited in caging the human spirit to become nothing more then a dogmatic human shell of intellectual vacuity .

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That's pretty glib...then again its you, so I'm not particularly surprised.

One could just as easily argue that the Muslim mob was only throwing stones because the kar sevaks on the train had abducted a local Muslim girl (and possibly raped her...the details are unclear).

As for anjjan...enjoy your delusions.

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In fact it’s not my job to educate every individual in person, but every time some new comers raise their voice with the same illiterate information

.UC Banerjee Commission was appointed by Lalu Yadav, the railway minister, and not by the Supreme Court of India. And this Banerjee Commission was in a haste to give some conclusion before the forthcoming Bihar elections. And this Commission in fact did a marvelous job that it declared an ‘Interim Report’ just before the elections were to be held in Bihar. The Interim Report’ truly fulfilled the Lalu Prasad agenda…that was to appease the Muslim voter.

In India no one….the Commission appointed by the Supreme Court (For finding facts of Godhra and Gujarat riots), the media, people and even the rivalry parties of BJP…..has taken this report seriously.

Elections were over and even Lalu Yadav has forgotten about this Banerjee commission.

There are many other theories of blame game over Godhra train massacres against Hinds traveling in the train. I would like to inform you that in the next three four days after Godhra incident there was no such report and after that they started appearing and were immediately picked up by the Muslim media, whatever suited them.

Shall I reveal one fact the Gujarati people always carry with them dry food and at least in early morning hrs they will not start cooking?

And imagine that ladies were cooking….one Muslim girl was abducted, was forcibly taken in same boggy and in the words of ** janab-e-ali** was possibly raped. And later we found 59 charred bodies.

Dear uberalles with all due respect, here we are not discussing an individual’ mind and behavior. We have to respond to the psycho-thesis of a community.

And I repeat….Godhra or no Godhra Hindus had no right to attack and kill Muslims in Gujarat.

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I am aware of the fact that the Railway Ministry set up the Banerjee Commission. That doesn't change the fact that its members were senior judges from the Supreme Court of India.

The Committee spent two years investigating before they released their final report. The fact that the High Court of Gujarat and the BJP have declared its findings illegitimate is irrelevant to me, considering the level of involvement of the state government in the ensuing genocide, and the BJP's shameless exploitation of the Godhra deaths in elections.

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/\/\/\what I have earlier stated that Muslims pick up and mould every thing that suits them.....does not matter what could be the reasons behind the screen.

Thanks janab-e-ali for the your statement.

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I feel sorry for the Muslims living in Gujarat. Such a inhuman, intolerant, insensitive and hostile society.

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I feel sorry for the entire world living with a community who terrorizes and kills innocent people on a daily basis.....what a pity..

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khanabado and others:

It is clearly the fervent hope of some of the Pakistanis here to try and create a wedge between Hindus and Muslims communities in India. They have tried the jihadi stuff which backfired on them and now clutch to this sort of web wars. Jenab in particular has been doing nothing else but that - his/her day seems spent on nothing else but googling for murders and crime in India which have some religious color and amplify it - it doesn't matter whether it is true or false. And then some other misguided and unguided loons jump in with ignorant asides about India....just plain hate mobs that's all these are.

Do they even know the size of the muslim population in India? I guess they cannot digest the fact that a muslim population that is almost as big as that of their own country chose to and live and flourish in India without the weekly bombings and shia sunni nonsense.....I guess they feel compelled to convince themselves that so many muslims cannot be happy in India, happier than themselves in the Islamic country of Pakistan....probably because to accept that such vast population of muslims can be better off than them in India in spite of being India being a non-Islamic country.

To all of them my answer is -

1) You guys sound increasingly hate filled and hate is consuming you and your nation; there is no need for you to justify your existence by wanting to prove that muslims are miserable in India. You cannot.

2) It is also very harmful for your own future generations; as youngsters from your country read your ignorant lies and half-baked propoganda, they start believing that and the result is the suicide vest and jihadi culture