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^^^ :)
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The Brits are very open minded people. Rather than point fingers they will look deeper and search for answers why such a tragedy occured at home. They won’t start going around blaming the muslim community or ridiculing individuals to vent out their anger. There are some idiots out there but they are exceptions to the norm.
I was in central London today for a seminar, just off Oxford St, and people were going about their business as usual. Had lunch at the park in Cavendish square and everyone was out there sunbathing and enjoying their lunch hour. More specifically, people of all races and religion intertwined and sitting together. No sign of amniosity whatsoever. Terrorists can’t divide us.
London rocks :k:
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Nice :) May the sentiments flourish and spread like an infection from one to another . amen
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Well, Although I am not in USA nor in Brition but in Germany, and my experience is not that different. I think the point is good and bad people are every where and in ever religion. If we are talking about few Goras who are friendly then we should not forget hundreds of millions of Muslims who are very friendly too.
Although I am not a supporter of these bombings at all, but when we use to discusse this scenstive issue we should try our best to talk abou the root causes of these problem. As American started war in Afganistan against Russia decades ago and the world is facing a new scenario relevent to that war and instead stopping such wars America started another war in Iraq which could have negative impact too.....
Whats ur opinion ???
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I am well aware of the 'root causes' and basically this argument sucks. There is NO root causes that justifies what happened in London or any other atrocity. Just because i got to feel how an Iraqi mother feels does not excuse what happened.
What happened on Thursday is Haraam, simple. There is no justification in Islam in it. What we need to do now is to consider how these kids got so far away from Islam that they resorted to this and then make sure it doesn't happen again.
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Maybe they should ‘flirt’ less and go to the gym less and have less normal lives?
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That's scary. It's usually the religiously ignorant who are easy prey for terrorist preachers, you'll find here in schools and colleges that the ones most vocal about their hatred for the west are not the bearded turbaned ones but the fornicators and alcoholics, they're just inclined to violence I suppose.
Sometimes I think terrorist "Islamic" organisations are another conspiracy against us, the way terrorist organisations have so much freedom in this country it's not far fetched, like that captain hook dude...
The BNP and other racist parties in this country are going to take advantage of the situation now, in a way I hope they do take over goverment and deport us all, because at least in my lifetime things will only go from bad to worse, we'll live with poverty but without our honour we can't. I feel ashamed and self concience sometimes to imagine what people must be thinking when they look at me, khud se ginn aaney lagti hai, as nice as the British public are, to themselves they must think how lowly and traitors we are, and they have every right to think that. At least in Pakistan we'll live with dignity, not that Brit public wont let us live here but we ourselves have brought this upon us...
These youngens, inn ki akal tab hi thikaany aaey gi jab Pakistan ke kisi gaaoun mein 'faakey' hon ge, they'll be no kitted up cars with bhangra blasting out, no burburry clothes, no awara gardi, bhang/charas dealing over there, they'll have to labour in the scorching heat in the fields of Pothhwar and Chhachh or starve their brown arses.
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^what exactly is stopping you going off your own accord
Thap, my point was just that-how did they get so far away from Islam?
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You'll probably laugh but I'll be honest, main reason is economically this country is so much better and I don't want other people I am acquainted with (especially my paternal cousins) to be better off than me materially, being just as good I can stand for but not better, at least if we all get deported then they’ll be in the same financial situation as me, I quite like this country but if I was forced into leaving it'd be easier, and of course I’d have some of the friends I grew up with, friends made in adulthood are just not the same.
Who knows maybe when I'm old enough (I'm 18 at the moment) I might even go of my own accord, whether I'll be allowed to settle over there is another question since I've not Paki nationality.
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Until the ‘mastermind’ is caught, we wouldn’t learn about their motivation or rationale; this may never happen. They were not underprivileged, demonstratively radical until the 7/7, nor were the society’s outcasts. They just don’t fit the pattern.
They didn’t leave a final letter, message (note) or video tape behind. Investigators claim that they wanted to be known and remembered as they ALL were carrying their IDs. Yet, there are no final letters? It is plausible that these boys didn’t know what they were carrying.
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I’ve been thinking about them suicide attacks on innocent civilians and it just doesn’t make sense, I can’t imagine why a true Muslim would do something like that, there’s definitely more to it than what meets the eye.
Yes Islam is a militaristic religion, to deny that would be ignorance, it has to be being a state as well as a religion, it is different from Christianity and Buddhism in that these two are only religions, Islam is not, it’s an empire (or at least should have been had it not been for our Britain and its allies) as well as a personal spiritual path.
But as well as being militaristic Islam is also the embodiment of fairness, justice and righteousness and it clearly forbids suicide and the killing of innocent civilian non-combatants in war (and also the desecration of worship-houses of other religions, killing of livestock and greenery).
“Islamic” cults of either one extreme or the other have always been created by outsiders to misinterpret Islam to achieve their interests against Islam, and the ignorant Muslims have always been easy prey for them.
These terrorist organisations and clerics in the UK and abroad which brainwash some of our people were also created with similar ulterior motives by the same powers that claim to be their enemies, they were created to alienate Islam and the Muslims from the rest of the world and so that they have a reason to justify their injustices against the Islamic World (to their own public who like I said in an earlier post are just as human as you and me) and to distance potential Muslims and born-Muslims from Islam, they deliberately want to distort the true face of Islam and dehumanise Muslims for their own political purposes because they know that the true (and beautiful) face of Islam is a threat to their ideologies and everything they stand for like no other religion or ideology today...
...I wont deny that there are kids my age not as wise as muah, who are very ignorant and simple minded, can’t tell their armpit from arse like Haseeb and Shahzaad and some even older ones who ought to know better like this Muhammed, these types of lads will play nicely into the hands of these organisations and achieve their goals for them, these boys are not inherently evil but rather just stupid and it’s a piece of cake for (the ultimate heads of) these organisations to toy with their emotions, the members at the lower levels of these organisations are usually just as ignorant about the true nature of these organisations and will spread their teachings thinking it’s a holy cause…
…It never occurs to these people that nothing beneficial will ever come out of destroying their own lives and the lives of fellow human beings, innocent ones (which Islam so clearly prohibits), if anything it will just rub Islam's image in dirt and accelerate the suffering of the Muslim community worldwide, killing women, grannies and babies won’t harm those that are the true perpetrators of injustice against our people in the least, the perpetrators are just as insensitive to their 'own' people as they are to people from the Muslim world.
If these boys who do things like this really want to be Jihadi then they should pack their bags and leave these countries, don’t practice your Jihad on innocent civilians, and besides whilst living in this country we have a type of pledge or treaty with these countries which Islamic Law prohibits us from breaking even against the state let alone its innocent people (someone please correct me if I’m wrong).
I’m not against Jihad or I would be playing into the hands of Islamic cults of another extreme, Jihad is a very noble act and I hate it when ignorant people profane its sanctity, being militaristic is sometimes necessary but there are strict guidelines which must be followed and when these are no longer abided by it’s no longer a godly act, I have utmost respect and reverence for those noble freedom fighters who fight and die like true Muslim gentlemen fighting for righteousness, defending their lands/properties, their families, their freedoms and their religion but none for these cowards who kill innocents thinking that puts them on the same level as martyrs (shuhada) and victors (ghaazi). I’m also equally pissed off at our countries’ foreign policies, foreign armies in the Muslims lands and their controlling of Muslim resources and restricting Islamic freedoms and choices in our own lands but violence against innocents isn’t the way. I’ll stop there I’m short on fuel and only going around in circles...
Now just watch when I'm sat in McDonalds for my lunch I'll have an MI6 agent come up to me and disguisedly give me an air injection under my armpit for speaking my mind (economics teacher once told me it's a favourite assasination method with the secret services as it leaves no evidence). :D
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Having already got caught up in one incident which ended up in a mass punch up, the people I feel most sorry for are those that are getting embroiled because they look muslim. Journalists from the Times and one from the rock periodical, NME have already expressed how awkward it feels being eyed warily on the tube.
There is fear and suspicion on both sides right now and it feels like we've gone back 40 years in time. Funnily enough, I think London is probably one of the safer places in England right now. There isn't likely to be any further atrocities there for a while, and it's a fairly cosmopolitan city. It's further north in the Midlands and Yorkshire where there is polarisation going on. It's like two seperate worlds.
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After reading this, I doesn’t look like any of these accused ones was a “radicalist/fundamentalist” or one who’d fall prey to them. It may be a conspiracy theory, but these guys may have been trapped or something.
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I agree.
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good
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In my eyes, they're not Muslims, and it relly bugs me when people say that they are. When David Koresh and the rest of his cult killed themselves in Waco, few people called them Christian fanatic, or radicals. They called them what they were, blinded fools.
What's the difference between these cult members and these suicide bombers? The bombers aren't Muslims, they're misinformed losers that gave their life for a cult.
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Yea like the whole Timothy McVeigh case...the Oklahoma bombing. He was said to be a Christian, but after the bombing, people were furious and made it absolutely clear that he was not practicing the true Christian morals. Instead, for these suicide bombers who were raised as Muslims, after the bombings, they aren't shunned away from Islam, but instead are said to be "Islamic Extremists". Completely opposite.
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in troubled times even some little gestures of friendliness take on a much bigger proportion. When 9/11 happened, I was in my final semester in college. So just a day after 9/11 me and a couple of my desi friends were walking towards the library, when some guy made a hateful comment. Us muslims on campus had been strictly advised to not take the bait and ignore any provokoing comments. So we just ignored that ahole and walked into the library.
Once reaching the library, I met this another guy who used to live in my dorm. I didn’t know him really well except the occasional hir or small chit-chat. So anyways he then proceeded to ask how we were doing in the wake of these attacks and I told him about what just ahppened some mins ago outside the library.
After listening, he asked us for the description of the guy, and then actually stormed outside the library to look for that guy. He couldn’t catch the guy but called up the police and registered a complaint.
I lost touch with him over the years, but he was in the Army and last I heard was getting ready to go to Afghanistan. Hope he is still safe.
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Did any of you go to the vigil in Russel Square today?
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i love londoners infact every england and american guy for their supreme ignorance