Re: Hamas-A mideast peace roadblock
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*Originally posted by Matsui: *
Can one ever negotiate with terrorists?
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Well Abbas is negotiating with Sharon and Bush.
The media is full of this news today, but non of them mentions that not even a week from Aqaba, IDF had raided on daily basis in PA areas and two military incursions in Gaza, so nothing has changed. The point is Sharon's "yet to be seen" willingness to remove some trailers (illegal outposts, not to be confused with about hundreds of illegal settlements) is considered as a big Israeli step towards "peace". But the media is quick to jump on the Hamas wagon, they ultimately need some one to blame for the failure.
Israeli Road map...leads to Jordan, the rest is all crap.
Does Abbas have the courage to stand up to Arafat and Hamas?
Does the US with all its might and for sake of Justice, has the courage stand up to Israel and Sharon?
The palestinians should be remineded by their leaders and the leaders of other nations that this is a golden opportunity towards statehood. They are not in the strong seat for negotiations...in fact the more time passes, the more their strength of hand is diminished. Tick..tock,,
Hamas had indicated its willingness to go along with the cease-fire, only if some of the basic parameters on some of the core issues such as the dismantling of the settlements, right of return of the refugess, and East Jerusalem as the capital of the new Palestinean state were to be met. But, how can you expect the devious zionists like the Sharons; the butcher of Shatila and Sabara to deliver on any promises. The road blocks still exist, the Israeli state sponsored terrorism continues unabated; the incursions, the demolitions, and the targeted killings. What do you expect from Hamas. They have all the right to carryon martyrdom operations. Why the Israelils should enjoy security, when millions of Palestineans are suffering.
Matsui, you can take your peace and shove it. No one in the Arab world is going to be fooled. Let's start by making the life easier for the Palestineans, who have suffered the most. There haven't been any attacks on Israel, also Israelis have not been delivering on promises to make the life easier for the Palestineans. Abu-Mazan will never succeed if he acts without the groups such as Hamas and Islamic Jihad. He does not enjoy core support on the streets of Palestine unlike these groups.
The IDF has stop several attempted suicide attacks, don't fool yourself pretending that the suicide bombers have gone away. Do you really think Israel is going to let Hamas dictate the terms?
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Thousands join Hamas rally in Gaza Strip against road map
By Haaretz Service
Thousands of Hamas supporters participated in a
rally against the road map peace plan Friday in
the southern Gaza Strip refugee camp of Nuseirat,
Israel Radio reported.
In a separate demonstration in
the border town of Rafah, more
than one thousand Palestinians
called for continuing attacks
against Israel.
Nabil Abu Rudeineh, an adviser
to Palestinian Authority Yasser
Arafat, said Friday that the
IDF killing of two Hamas men in
the West Bank the previous day indicated that
Prime Minister Ariel Sharon’s government has
resumed its policy of assassinations, and is not
interested in implementing the road map.
Rudeineh demanded that the international quartet
recognize Israel’s responsibility for the attempt
to escalate violence.
Israel Defense Forces troops killed two Hamas men
in an exchange of gunfire late Thursday night
north of Tul Karm, Israel Radio reported. The men
were holed up in a house in the West Bank village
of Atil. After refusing to surrender, the troops
stormed the house, and in the ensuing gunfight
the men were killed.
Another Hamas member was wounded and arrested in
the incident. A pistol and Kalashnikov were found
at the scene.
The army said the three were part of a Hamas cell
planning to carry out a suicide attack inside
Israel.
Well Hamas has made sure that the terrorist settlers don't make themselves feel at home. Israel shall never see the day, when its streets are fully secured, until the gross crimes against the Palestineans cease. If the life for the Palestineans is going to get worst, then so is the isolation of Israel on the world arena, especially in Europe. No sees Israelis as the victims anymore, but the ones who have been decieving and lying repeatedly and failing to honor any overtures of genuine peace.
Dullah, don;t get crabby yaar. Why would Israel negotiate with Hamas. Whose very charter is the destruction of Israel. Plus game theory would suggest that due to the stronger sitting position, the palestinians would concede a fair bit. Including, telling hamas to bugger off
Hamas has outright rejected to negotiate if the fundamental rights of the Palestineans are to be jeopardized. So, why there is such hue n cry about Hamas willing to carryon with its military campaign, if Israel is not interested in negotiating with Hamas. Well, maybe the prowess of Hamas on the Palestinean streets is something to be reckoned with, and it has delivered on promises where the corrupt leaders of the PLO have failed. It's not Hamas which is to be blamed, but the deceptive policies of the Israelis towards derailing any moves towards broader peace and security.
Hamas calles for the destruction of Israel, I think a bit of the blame should be attributed to them.
It's an Israeli fabricated propoganda, didn't Hamas partially agree to the ceas-fire, before Abu-Mazan went ahead and gave up everything during the summit in Jordan.
In fact, the latest peace move is a hatchet attempt to cause civil war between the various factions in Palestine. But, it will not succeed, as the fundamentalist Islamic groups such as Hamas and Islamic Jehad reign in on most of the power. As we saw in the refugee camps of Lebanon couple of weeksa ago where the Islamists successfully dislodged the stooges of Arafat, after a conflict. The Palestineans can choose for themselves as to who is more sincere to their struggle and aspirations, so I guess only time will tell..strong militancy is the answer to Israeli aggression, and not cowing out..
Partially agree to the ceasefire. What does that mean exactly?
Do you really think an armed struggle is going to shift the policy of Israel?
I don't think Hamas really cares, or any other militant groups, the struggle is for complete freedom from the Israeli tyrany. Only the armed struggle is the way to put some sense into the Israelis so they choose leaders who are not war criminals and terrorists and are capable of delivering genuine peace and security as they promise..
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*Originally posted by Abdullah k: *
I don't think Hamas really cares, or any other militant groups, the struggle is for complete freedom from the Israeli tyrany. Only the armed struggle is the way to put some sense into the Israelis so they choose leaders who are not war criminals and terrorists and are capable of delivering genuine peace and security as they promise..
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You are so far off base that this reply will undoubtedly fall on deaf ears. To Hamas and Islamic Jihad, it doesn't matter who the Israeli leaders are or if they are capable of delivering peace and security. They will not negotiate with any Israeli leader because they will not recognize an Israel. To them, there is only one outcome acceptable: No Israel. For them, Palestine includes ALL of what is Israel.
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*Originally posted by myvoice: *
You are so far off base that this reply will undoubtedly fall on deaf ears. To Hamas and Islamic Jihad, it doesn't matter who the Israeli leaders are or if they are capable of delivering peace and security. They will not negotiate with any Israeli leader because they will not recognize an Israel. To them, there is only one outcome acceptable: No Israel. For them, Palestine includes ALL of what is Israel.
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And they are damn right about that. The land does not belong to israel they occupied it and they should be kicked out.
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*Originally posted by teaser: *
And they are damn right about that. The land does not belong to israel they occupied it and they should be kicked out.
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And that's why Palestinians are dieing and have no homeland.
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*Originally posted by myvoice: *
And that's why Palestinians are dieing and have no homeland.
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And you think getting killed while protecting their homeland is totally wrong? Specially when someone has occupied it without any legal rights or anything like that?