*I am not too sure if he really have big support in military. *
And I also have concerns over his faith as soon as he is separated from the power and that is i guess sole reason he dont want to transfer power.
A very good thing was said by a politician the other day that a solider take oath that he wont get into politics. How can some one who can disown his oath be trusted.?
I dont think indians dislike him any more.
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I aggree with you on the fact that he broke the oath. When the whole incident happened, he might have been forced into doing it. They way they played it, it seemed like the military take over was done by his generals and not by him.
As far as the support in the army is concerned, i dont know why he would be even able to stay for one day without the support from core commanders. He must have some support and that is why no one from the military is getting rid of him.
With that said, I feel that he has stabilized the country, which some Indians might not be liking.
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That said, there is one thing that still bothers me though. If it was Musharraf that decided to pull out the troops, then why did Nawaz Sharif never come in public and said it? Alot of people in Pakistan were upset with him for pulling out troops. There were pictures of him in the news papers where he was having a drink with Clinton with captions against him. The whole country was shocked. And he never came in public and said, It wasnt me; it was him?
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Nawaz was just scared for his life when he met Clinton. His family members even said that they's rather stay in the US than go back to Pak after the withdrawal agreement.
Would any serving Pakistani civilian leader come out and expose the army and have any hopes of living a few days? Where is Javed Hashmi now? Life sentence in a dark jail just for showing a letter criticizing the army.
Musharraf knew his Kargil move backfired. He set up Nawaz as a scapegoat. Just like his other moves. He was the man who was most enthusiastic about Taliban and foreign mujahideen before 9/11. Then after one phone call, he blamed it all on "Islamist" Generals and got rid of Mahmood Ahmed and Muzaffar Usmani.
In 2002, Powell warned about A.Q.Khan and North Korea. Musharraf could have taken A.Q aside and had him stop his operation. But he did not until the $hit hit the fan. He promptly sacrificed AQKhan after that.
This is why India is reluctant to make any peace deal with the man. Who knows what will happen to any deal after a few months.
Nawaz was just scared for his life when he met Clinton. His family members even said that they's rather stay in the US than go back to Pak after the withdrawal agreement.
Would any serving Pakistani civilian leader come out and expose the army and have any hopes of living a few days? Where is Javed Hashmi now? Life sentence in a dark jail just for showing a letter criticizing the army.
Musharraf knew his Kargil move backfired. He set up Nawaz as a scapegoat. Just like his other moves. He was the man who was most enthusiastic about Taliban and foreign mujahideen before 9/11. Then after one phone call, he blamed it all on "Islamist" Generals and got rid of Mahmood Ahmed and Muzaffar Usmani.
In 2002, Powell warned about A.Q.Khan and North Korea. Musharraf could have taken A.Q aside and had him stop his operation. But he did not until the $hit hit the fan. He promptly sacrificed AQKhan after that.
This is why India is reluctant to make any peace deal with the man. Who knows what will happen to any deal after a few months.
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As far as General Mahmood is concerned, he was made the head of the Fauji foundation as far as I remember it. So he was just removed to please America and everyone knew that he had/has alot of say in the military. He was the person that used to directly deal with the Taliban and knew almost everything about them. I guess Musharraf didnt want the US to be asking too many questions and may be did have some soft heart for the Taliban. The reason for Usmanis release was more of a problem between Usmani and Yousaf, as Usmani became selfish and wanted to become vice chief or army staff, so one had to go.
I would have believed that he is removing all the religious people from the military, if he would have removed Aziz, as he was the one that India was complaining the most about and his name would come up in every newspaper that wrote about religiois people in Pakistan army.
But i guess you are right, in a little span of time he changed from a General to a politician. And that too unfortunately a Pakistani politician.
When i asked about Nawaz Sharif giving any statement, i meant that he could have given statements after going to Saudi Arabia also. Every now and then we hear something from him, but i never got to read anything relating to backing off from Kargil. But i guess that was part of the deal. If Nawaz Sharif knows soo much about this big blunder by Musharraf, then why didnt he keep him in jail like Zardari was in jail for this long? Oh well i guess some stuff will never be answered.
AQ khan story is probably the worst story in history of Pakistan. A person that did soo much for Pakistan is in house arrest, dying right now. Even though most people believe that it was Munir Ahmed who was the archietect of the nulear bomb, but still his involvement was definitely there.
Musharraf is a very strong general. He has huge support in the military, and that is why he is still in power.
I remember that before he came into power, most of Indian media and all the Indian members on this forum were saying that Pakistan would go bancrupt any day. I guess they are all disappointed that it did not happen.
As far as Kargil is concerned, it was not his plan only. It shows the intelligence of the people that planned a war in which a few hundred soldiers caused the mobilization of 6 Indian army divisions and use of airforce. The whole issue of kashmir was brought in front during kargil and also the weaknesses of Indian military.
Pakistan learned alot from it too. I think Kargil was something that started the process that eventually lead to Musharraf comming in power.
As far as I am concerned, i dont aggree with everything he has done and everything he is doing, but in general he has been handling everything well.
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Yahya Khan was also that. You don't become great because of who you work for but what you do with your post.
Musharraf has essentially no convictions but has done whatever is conventient.
In 1999, he did Kargil but when $hit hit the fan, he abandoned his own troops and forced Nawaz to negotiate a face saving withdrawal.
In 2000, he publicly announced support for Jihad by the Taliban and foreign mujahideen in Kashmir and Afghanistan. But when 9/11 happened he dumped his erstwhile buddies after 1 phone call.
After the parliament attack in 2001, he defended LeT, JeM etc but banned them after India sent troops, thereby giving up on a Kashmir policy that he himself framed and supported.
I could go on and on. Zia, for all his faults, had one conviction and stuck to his hard line Islamic beliefs. Musharraf sways with the wind and generally says and does anything if he feels he can come off as a hero.
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u've proven here that u dont know sh*t abt pakistani politics, n dont undertstand world politics either
interesting responses…another thing is that indians know that musharaf is a tough guy..indians know that they cant do any hanky panky anymore or mushy will prolly nuke their dhotis off…thats why in 2002 all they could do was just amass on the border and lookover the paki border in helplessness just like an impotent dirty old man over a young damsel
indians are also pissed on why musharaf has been able to forge very close relationships with US..their dirty mouths were prolly salivating after 9/11 on the prospects of US turning aganist pak..oh well too bad for them..
Wait until the ‘Fat Lady Sings’, quit thinking of Pakistanis as Jahils.
It’s about time that Indian should bring their own Politician and Policies
Under the microscope.
To suggest that only Pakistan is to be blamed for every Indian diarrhea is pathetic. But livable
Raindance what is wrong with you? If indians stop blaming Pakistan for everything, how will they breath. Are you trying to say that India is not perfect? Shame on you. Remember India is the biggest democracy and the most secular country in the world.
Oh on a serious note, do you remember that incidence after 9/11 when the pilots of an Indian plane said to control tower that someone wants to hijack the plane the same way as the US planes were hijacked on 9/11. The indian minister for air and transport did a press conferance and said that contact has been made with the hijackers and they are asking for air route map in Urdu (??) and that they are Pakistanis and speek Urdu and some of them even speak pushto or something. After a few hours it was found out that the plane was not even hijacked
They even blamed a safe perfectly fine flight on pakistan.
