some Hindus are denying and some are accepting and explaining. howcome? if you don't know about your religion then just say so. it becomes hard for us to beleive in anyone of you since there is no "authentic" Hindu conceptual/beleif book online. every site we'll visit will be regarded as "anti-Hindu" and created by some Muslims.
May Allah SWT guide us all towards right and help us follow the right
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Originally posted by Victory:
*The concept of lingam is derived from the fact that it is the in the form of a lingam. The full word runs as "Jyothirlingam" means the Lingam in the form of jyothi, i.e. the flame. If you see any candle burning, the flame gets an oval-cylyndrical shape and Shiva the creator of the world could not be given any face and the people started making the shape of the "jyothi" or the light. Over the years, invaders and non-Hindus converted the same and used it for their advantage and also many Hindus are to blame for this, as they have failed effectively in countering this propaganda. *
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err is anyone else as confused as I am? I mean...religion is supposed to be simple to follow with no gray areas that would allow for confusion. All of your explainations seem to be going around in circles.
I think it goes back to what Tube Runner was stating. Why do you worship what God created when you should be worshipping God? God is Superior To All.
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totally agreed!!
i still dont get this kumbha mela thing ?
why do u have to bath naked among thousaands??? ( totally disgusting!!)
i wonder if women do the same
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Originally posted by queer:
** and a religion whose prophet married a 9 yr old when he was 60+ is not sick by your standards? thank god i never had racist b@stards as friends.**
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Haha true that.
The fact still remains that Hinduism is still in the Jahaliya period and most probably always will be.
Idol Worship has always been for the lost!!
There is a very famous saying:
'Give Hindus anything to hold onto and they will make it a part of their religion. Add God next to anything and they will start to worship it. Take something away from God and they will still worship it. Pull away anything from their religion and they will still perceive it as religion'.
'They will Worship anything and everything providing it's something'.
what pakistanis acheived by not doing what indians do? they must be 1000 times smarter
the way they portray indians. i dont see
any difference once you cross the border
to bangaldesh or pakistan. whole world know who is rational people. pakistan is forefront of muslim country even that is because it must be from indian close association .
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How come Pakistan popped up in Religion
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Play your game - Guess my motto
it is pakistanis that want to misuse islam and bring bad name to islam.
kashmiri fighters hide in mosque and fight
to createa situation where they can accuse
indians of attacking religious place thus
inciting people.
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Originally posted by rvikz:
**it is pakistanis that want to misuse islam and bring bad name to islam.
kashmiri fighters hide in mosque and fight
to createa situation where they can accuse
indians of attacking religious place thus
inciting people.
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Yo rvikz, ** I kept this nick (Indian_Muslim) PRECISELY to counter such rubbish propaganda. ** Don't gimme this Indian media crap. We all know how corrupt and sick and vicious the Indian media is. The Indian soldiers ** LOVE TO rape the Muslim women and kill their innocent children. ** And they also love to kill the Muslims in mosques.
It's as simple as that. They just love to torture and oppress the Muslims.
Significance of the Shiva Lingam
Beliefs and Legends >>Shiva
The non antrhropomorphic Lingam form of Shiva is what is held in reverence in temples all over the sub continent. The Lingam is a symbol. It is a symbol of that which is invisible yet omnipresent. It is hence a a visible symbol of the Ultimate Reality which is present in us (and in all objects of creation ).
The Shivalingam denotes the primeval energy of the Creator.It is believed that at the end of all creation, during the great deluge, all of the different aspects of God find a resting place in the Lingam; Brahma is absorbed into the right, Vishnu to the left and Gayatri into the heart. The Shivalingam is also a representation of the infinite Cosmic Column of fire, whose origins, Vishnu and Bhrama were unable to trace. (see Lingodbhavar).
Legend has it that Parvati fashioned a Shivalingam with a fistful of sand at Kanchipuram and worshipped Shiva; this lingam is known as the Prithvilingam, denoting the primordial element earth. Shivalingams in several temples are swayambus, or that which appeared on their own, or that which is untouched by a chisel. On the other hand, there are temples where the Shivalingam is carved out of stone and installed. The highly polished Shivalingams of the Pallava period bear several stripes, as in the Kailasanatha temple at Kanchipuram.
The Shivalingam is generally mounted on a circular or quadrangular receptacle called the Avudaiyar. This pedestal is designed so as to drain off the water offered during ablution ceremonies. In temples such as Kanchipuram, abhishekam is offered only to the pedestal and not to the Shivalingam made of sand. The bottom of the pedestal represents Bhrama, the octogonal middle represents Vishnu and the upper circular portion represents Shiva. The upper portion of the Shivalingam may be of various shapes, cylindrical, elliptical, umbrella shaped. Images may also be (rarely) carved on a Shivalingam.
Nandi, the bull is depicted facing the sanctum in all Saivite temples, symbolizing the human soul Jeevatma yearning for realizing its oneness with Paramatma, the ultimate reality.
Typically, the processional bronze images of Shiva are those of Somaskanda, Chandrasekhara, Bhikshatana and Nataraja. Although in most Shiva temples, the central shrine enshrining the Shivalingam is of the greatest importance, the Nataraja shrine is of greater importance at Chidambaram, the Somaskandar - Tyagarajar shrine is of greater significance at Tiruvarur.
I don’t have much time to post on this, I’ll paste from my earlier post:
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Ok lets think of it this way. Suppose there’s a pagan religion whose origins are quite old. Over a period of thousands of years, a lot of stuff (sometimes nasty) gets into its scriptures. ** At that time, when everyone was illiterate, uneducated and uncivilised except for a few, worshipping the penis must not have looked disgusting. People wouldn’t have seen anything wrong with that. **
Then centuries later, all of a sudden we are in the 21st Century and a substantial portion of the population is not only educated, but has exposure to far more civilised and decent religions. ** But to one’s horror, those people, instead of dissassociating themselves with that pagan religion seem to cling on to it because of their hatred to the true religion. ** So, now they are in a Muslim forum, discussing with Muslims about their religion.
** Do you then expect them to actually accept in such a situation that their religion calls for the worship of the penis? NO.. ** If they had a little, microscopic amount of a decency, they would have left that religion. **But if they insist to cling on to it, they are OBVIOUSLY going to try to interpret it in a different manner and pretend that the worship of penis is actually something else. **
** I mean, IS THERE ANY THING ELSE THEY CAN DO? THEY HAVE NO OPTION BUT THAT. It is so embarassing otherwise. **
I mean you have a person belonging to a religion that calls for the worship of the penis, and that person refuses to disassociate himself with that religion, and but instead preaches his religion on a Muslim forum - What other option does he have but to say that lingam is not penis?
So here we are, listening that lingam doesn’t mean a penis. I’m not surprised. ** It was only natural
If Lingam does not mean a penis, what does it mean then? NO running about in tangents please. And if it means something else, then : (1) Why is it regarded by many Hindus to mean a penis? Why did this concept emerge at all in the first place? (2) Why do many Hindus worship the penis? (3)What proof or logic do you have that it means something else, and that it was always intended to mean something else? **
why you are so obcessed that indians should
pray to right god .they are not doing in pakistan. even in pakistan i guess it is not banned. let allah take care of everybody.
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Originally posted by rvikz:
**it is pakistanis that want to misuse islam and bring bad name to islam.
kashmiri fighters hide in mosque and fight
to createa situation where they can accuse
indians of attacking religious place thus
inciting people.
[This message has been edited by rvikz (edited March 28, 2002).]**
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How in the world did nationality come into the conversation?? I was simply asking for an explanation, and instead I received a whole bunch of garble that makes it seem people are trying tp give the run around instead of answering the question.
How are we supposed to know what Lingodbhavar,Brahma is absorbed into the right, Vishnu to the left and Gayatri into the heart,Prithvilingam, Parvati, abhishekam, Jeevatma are?
It is not righteousness that ye turn your faces towards East or West; but it is righteousness to believe in Allah and the Last Day, and the Angels, and the Book, and the Messengers; to spend of your substance, out of love for Him, for your kin, for orphans, for the needy, for the wayfarer, for those who ask, and for the ransom of slaves; to be steadfast in prayer, and practice regular charity, to fulfil the
contracts which ye have made; and to be firm and patient, in pain (or suffering) and adversity, and throughout all periods of panic. Such are the people of truth, the God-fearing. Verse 177 : Surah Al-Baqarah ]
Hey, i just wanna know how can you expect someone to give you wut u want when u created that thing ur asking your self?
I mean the shapes of monkeys in hindiusm and shapes of elephants, you made them yourself so how can you ask them to give u wut u want when ur the one who made em?
Note: I am not disrespecting the culture, Islam doesn't teach that so i am not doing that, i am just asking a question, so please dont be offended and sorry if any of you hindus get offended by this, thanks,
why pakistanis troulbled by what indians
pray to? even if indians become muslims
still pakistan wont join india. bangaldesh
found that out.
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Originally posted by rvikz:
why pakistanis troulbled by what indians
pray to? even if indians become muslims
still pakistan wont join india. bangaldesh
found that out.
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Once again it is back to pakistanis and indians. There are indian muslims and there are also pakistani hindus. Why the nationality nationality bashing? Go to another forum for that!
It is not righteousness that ye turn your faces towards East or West; but it is righteousness to believe in Allah and the Last Day, and the Angels, and the Book, and the Messengers; to spend of your substance, out of love for Him, for your kin, for orphans, for the needy, for the wayfarer, for those who ask, and for the ransom of slaves; to be steadfast in prayer, and practice regular charity, to fulfil the
contracts which ye have made; and to be firm and patient, in pain (or suffering) and adversity, and throughout all periods of panic. Such are the people of truth, the God-fearing. Verse 177 : Surah Al-Baqarah ]
shiv lingam means the sexual organ of hindu god shiva
there is no doubt about it
there are so many things in hinduism which would make it look absurd most of the educated hindus know the truth but still have thier false ego's and thier own insecurities which stop them from accepting the bluff