Why did Indian Muslims choose the peaceful political route to fight for Pakistan?

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*Originally posted by Abdali: *
.... Mr Liaquat Ali Khan was very sensible not to encourage
the migration ....
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Not correct!

Liaqat A. Khan was the guy who created Muhajir problem. He is the one who started quota system and reserved 17% quota for Urdu-speaking group. By the end of 1947, Urdu speaking refugees only consituted a fraction of 1 percent. So the added 16+% resulted in "importation" of many lakhs (some quote 600,000- 1,000,000) of Bharati Muslims from 1948 to 1952.

This quota system was so unfair that no one can imagine the devastation brought to the rest of Pakistan. Compare this 17% quota to the 17% total for Sindh, Frontier, Balochistan and Bahawalpur combined.

Punjabis got 24%. The collusion between Punjabis and Muhajirs resulted in 41% of every Government (non-Army) job going to Punjabi-Muhajir cabal.

Sindh and Balochistan were the worst sufferers, as they didn't have any presence in the army while getting "quota-d" out of Federal jobs.

East Pakistanis (with 43% quota) lost because most of the "plush" Fed jobs were in the Western wing. To make the matter worse, East Pakistanis didn't have strong presence in the army either.

Frontier however didn't suffer as bad because Frontier and Punjab dominated the army.

I'll cover Bhatoo's role on this later.

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*Originally posted by Abdali: *
.....The plan for independence and division of India did not
include the mass migration ......otherwise Pakistan
should have been given four more provinces - East Punjab, UP, West
Bengal, Bihar and Assam - on the basis of the total Muslim population
of India.

.....The two-nation theory was based on Muslim majority areas only.
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Right on!

while we can have many single threads based on the multiple ideas discussed in this thread.. let's go back to the original question..

How come the Muslims were so sensible back then to show political awareness and maturity to stick to a political solution instead of taking up arms against the strong British presence.. afterall even the Americans 'won' their freedoms from the British in the battlegrounds.

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*Originally posted by fair_&_balance: *

And you consider Khilafat movement a Militant movement?
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No this was the most peaceful movement in the human history. Maulvi Johar was tried in the court of law for spreading flowers on the roads, and Moplas were simply giving hugs to the Hindu landlords.

I guess it is hard to remain fair even for fair-and-balance when it comes to Bharati nationalism.

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*Originally posted by Baba G: *

How come the Muslims were so sensible back then to show political awareness and maturity to stick to a political solution instead of taking up arms against the strong British presence..

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As I said earlier, that not all Muslims were sensible back then. There were plenty of militant and firebrands ready to run amuck in the Indian Subcontinent.

The difference however was that constitutionalists were able to keep the militants at bay. The constitutionalist included Jinnah, Sir Syed, Iqbal, the big land lords, the famous Nawabs, and the businessmen.

The credit also goes to the British. They are the ones who started Indian National Congress and babied it until after 1947. Remember the first ruler of Bharat was not Gandhi, or Nehru, or Patel. It was Lord Mountbatten.

Such an introduction of political representation impacted Muslims as well. The result was many moderate parties among Muslims such as ML, Unionist party, and agriculturist party etc.

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Well how about Bharat drowning in Pakistan's love?
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Why do you have to be so frightened of our Eastern neighbor? They are non 10 foot tall like Iraqi insurgents. We can handle Bharatis. They know it. Do you?
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Dear antiobl,

I have read some of your other posts and I know you are, like me, a patriotic Pakistani and we have a lot in common. Nevertheless, I have to disagree with your above quotes! I don't think Bharat is drowning in Pakistan's love! Bharat has become a very calculative country that hires American based PR firms to have a spotless image for its government. Your quotes smack of more emotion than logic: if we could "handle" Bhartis, then 99% of us would not be avid hindi movie fans despite Bhartis test-firing nuclear-capable missiles on a regular basis and degrading our country in their movies and ads!! (with us in mind and not Chinese or Nepalese or Sri Lankans!), if we could handle Bhartis, then we would have lived like brothers with our Bengali Muslims instead of falling for silly things like language in Dhaka university (please tell me you know about the steady and calculative divisive plots Bharat hatched in the then East Pakistan). Don't get me wrong, I primarily blame us (Pakistanis) for our debacles and problems but I also would not like to live in a fool's paradise and think that everything is alright as far as the Eastern neighbour is concerned.

There is a reason why Bharat churns out rubbish movie plots that show that "cultural love" is above our Islamic identity (note I don't watch them but then I have to hear about it from emotional brothers like you who were recently lamenting "Veer-Zara").

You are familiar with Indian Muslims from UP to Kerala and how they love Bharat, loathe Pakistan, - do you think we are also immune from being brainwashed? There is a reason why Bharat's so called "people-to-people contact increases" are confined to "mushaira gatherings", "ghazal croning", "star galaxy nights", etc. you will never see Bhartis sending IIT computer experts to Pakistan to teach Pakistanis about computer engineering, etc. We need more patriotic people like you for Pakistan but please do realize that Bharat has its share of diabolic designs!: try to catch Bharat-based Sindhi radio stations which regularly transmit programmes like "Sindhu-desh", etc. which are beamed to rural Sindh in Pakistan to ignite feelings of further disension!: I have heard the program friend and they have collections of plays that show how Sindhi rurals are being exploited by the rich Karachites!!! and the solution is a "Sindhu Desh with Karachi as its capital" (lol!)
Sure we have problems but let's try to analyse Bharat's intentions!

If you are still not convinced, please bear in mind that "secular" Congress politicians like Sonia Ghandi have commented with disdain about how silly Pakistan is pursuing defensive military capabilities because "we (Bhartis) already control Pakistan"!!

Incidentally it was our same "emotional cultural attachment" and blind love for saris, spicy food and "mujras" (yeah, yeah I know you hate mullas! but I am just telling you the way it is) that led to the downfall of our rule!

We are falling in the same hole again! And if you think all this is emotional from my part, I invite you to read another "secular" Indian's comments when Bangladesh was born: Today we have taken our revenge for the 1,000 years (yes Indira Ghandi said this on the birth of Bangladesh) and the 1,000 years she is referring to is the Muslim rule! - this is how bitter "secularist" Bhartis are of Pakistan (let's not even go to the likes of Shiv Sena and BJP - one visit to their website is enough to realize their contempt for Muslims! not just Pakistanis!!!).

I think its silly if we think that we need India's attention label to progress and prosper! We have other neighbours like Iran, China, Afghanistan, Gulf and I want to see a more balanced foreign policy that aligns our strategic interests and fosters potential long-term benefits. There is no point in being obsessed by one alien neighbour. They have seduced a lot of Muslims of UP to Kerala and I for one don't want to be Indian as a matter of choice - I am Pakistani because I wanted to live in a country free from alien cultural pressures and domination and not because of some whacky "gora conspiracy" that divided British India or because of some "power-hungry" Mulsim politician like Jinnah!

By the way, try watching Ghandi (the movie made possible by Indian propganda) - watch how they show Jinnah a villian and Ghandi and Maulana Azad as pious souls which decried violence! (this was back in 1983) - do you really think Indians have changed in their outlook. They need Pakistan now (ie peaceful relations with Pakistan) for oil and gas (you can NEVER have a gas or oil pipeline from Iran supplying India's growing economy with the much needed oil which is cheaper by land pipelines if the pipeline crosses 1,500 kms of a hostile Pakistan), trade routes, etc.

Let's wake up and smell the coffee! I doubt that India is considering "peace" with Pakistan due to hindi movies or the popularity of other alien influences like "antakshari" in Pakistan!

This is not insecurity, this is intelligence - something we need lots of to protect our precious country whose foundation rests on the blood, toil, tears, sweat of gallant Muslim men, women and children who knew what would happen if we were dominated by an alien culture!
I am not going to undermine my identity on account of silly cricket matches, mushaira evenings and hindi movies! I wasn't born yesterday!

If we are not careful, we will end up in a situation where every shop, restaurant, TV and radio station in Pakistan will be owned Bhartis (and I include Bharti Muslims who are Indian and secular before they are Muslims!).

Neither do I want war with India. But I must warn you that Bharti govt. and majority of Bhartis (including Muslims from UP to Kerala) NEVER want to see a strong Muslim country on the Western border. I hope we don't need another "Bangladesh" to realize this! That's all.

I have learnt a lot from your postings and I hope I can contribute to your knowledge as well. We don't another country to progress and prosper. We need a strong leadership that bases poilicies on intelligence rather than emotion.

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That's pretty well articulated. I totally agree with you...particularly that all Pakistanis need to be weaned off that insane Trashwood!

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*Originally posted by Shamalee Fares: *
Dear antiobl,

I have read some of your other posts and I know you are, like me, a patriotic Pakistani and we have a lot in common.

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Good to hear that. Thank you.

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*Originally posted by Shamalee Fares: *
But I must warn you that Bharti govt. and majority of Bhartis (including Muslims from UP to Kerala) NEVER want to see a strong Muslim country on the Western border. I hope we don't need another "Bangladesh" to realize this! That's all.....
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Bud you are not alone. Many patriotic Pakistanis take the same approach towards Bharat. Unfortunately, their thinking is about 165 years old. Yes about 165 years ago, it was possible for Bharati-Hindus to take over Muslims of areas that are now part of Pakistan.

However that intellectual approach is now invalid since the ground realities have changed so dramatically since then.

The events that transpired 165 years ago lead to the creation of Pakistan, and then kept Pakistan going since 1947. Many intellectuals of 1930s and 1940s missed the changes in geopolitics and ended up with the miscalculations that Pakistan will not survive for more than 2 years.

Pakistanis have again proved that they can handle Bharatis. Talk to the recent visitors from Bharat and see how mesmerized were they from the charm, humbleness, tolerance, sophistication of Pakistanis.

Pakistanis are now is a regional power, and it must think and behave like a regional power. We ought to be careful but there is no need to sound alarm on some trashy bollywood movies. That's just kiddy stuff.

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*Originally posted by Shamalee Fares: *
But I must warn you that Bharti govt. and majority of Bhartis (including Muslims from UP to Kerala) NEVER want to see a strong Muslim country on the Western border.

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Abay, a friendly nation we want. What we don't want is a nation that exports terrorism.