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Well he has to do something to get the minds of the American people off the economy and of course so that he can get reelected. Never seen such an selfish and irresponsible govt ever.
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Yes, and even the man who advocated the gassing of the Kurds to justify his argument with another man who gassed the Kurds. Must be real desperate to get people's minds of the failing economy, and the lack of real results in his "war on terror".
Must be real desperate to get people's minds of the failing economy, and the lack of real results in his "war on terror".
Exactly. This Iraq hoopla began just in time to save Bush from the continuation of the politically-embarassing stories regarding Enron. Just in the nick of time for the elections in November as well. Bushy times his Iraq-demonization well... Wouldn't at all be surprised, if, immediately prior to any military attack against Iraq, Bush will suddenly get a "vision" of a Palestinian state with full Palestinian autonomy. It was the same "vision" he got last year, prior to dropping bombs on Afghanistan.
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Exactly. This Iraq hoopla began just in time to save Bush from the continuation of the politically-embarassing stories regarding Enron. Just in the nick of time for the elections in November as well. Bushy times his Iraq-demonization well... Wouldn't at all be surprised, if, immediately prior to any military attack against Iraq, Bush will suddenly get a "vision" of a Palestinian state with full Palestinian autonomy. It was the same "vision" he got last year, prior to dropping bombs on Afghanistan.
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Yes, I would not be surprised. But the next Presidential elections are in 2004, and until then at least Bush has to keep up the war mongering. First Afghanistan, then Iraq, then they will choose another country to go after, then another one, right up to election time to ensure his position is strong. But I have faith that like over his father (who lost the lection after the first Gulf war) the American people will wise up to this sort of wag the do strategy, if they have not already.
So we will see how many other genocide advoacting (like Churchill) statesman will Bush use to justify his wars to come, after Iraq?
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Yes, I would not be surprised. But the next Presidential elections are in 2004, and until then at least Bush has to keep up the war mongering. First Afghanistan, then Iraq, then they will choose another country to go after, then another one, right up to election time to ensure his position is strong. But I have faith that like over his father (who lost the lection after the first Gulf war) the American people will wise up to this sort of wag the do strategy, if they have not already.
So we will see how many other genocide advoacting (like Churchill) statesman will Bush use to justify his wars to come, after Iraq?
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Malik, many a words coming true. He is already threatning to invade Syria and Iran now. Maybe this time he will quote the " Man of peace, Sharon"
I think Saddam has done what Britain/US did in history, isn't that so?
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I think Saddam has done what Britain/US did in history, isn't that so?
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When Saddam gassed the Kurds, he learnt from the British after all who ddi it first?
Well I never knew Churchill advocated that.
Could be the problem was that Arab countries were on the side of the ultimate gasman. Weren't they?
Could his speech have been a warning?
You want to blame Rosevelt and Churchill for Stalinism? Racism? Genocide?
Remember the 1920's. Research history. Many countries advocated Eugenics. It was popular thought back then to the uneducated.
And now you want to blame America?
I would think you would be thankful that Brittain won WWI and allowed the Arab states to eventually escape the Ottoman Turks and become their own soveriegn countries, whatever mistakes were made along the way, and whatever mistakes we are still trying to work out.
I doubt life was better as part of the Ottoman Empire.
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Could be the problem was that Arab countries were on the side of the ultimate gasman. Weren't they?....
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Does that make it permissible?
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Does that make it permissible?
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No Changez_like,
It doesn't. Seems to me the world has come to terms with its past errors. Except for those who are unable to forgive and forget, or forgive and not forget.
Do you think it's permisible?
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Well I never knew Churchill advocated that.
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He did more than that. More do you think your President knew that when held up Churchill as a model in trying to build his case against Iraq last year?
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He did more than that. More do you think your President knew that when held up Churchill as a model in trying to build his case against Iraq last year?
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Ok. What was said?
Document your sources please.
If you are looking for reasons to hate Brits or Americans observe them as prejudice. I'll play. Sinse apparently someone hasn't gotten past the 1930's, or 1945, or yesterday I'll bet.
Hope your sources are more authoritive than some magizine article. Like maybe a recording of a speech he made regarding the topic? Or microfilm copy of a written record?
or past Sept 11?
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or past Sept 11?
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I'm guilty there Thap. I admit it. It's recent memory.
The other problems stemmed from grandfathers and greatgrandfathers and I believe for the most part forgiven and forgotten, or forgiven and not forgotten.
I guess I'm a hypocrit.
Spellnick mistakes and all.
Thanks for telling me so. Your right. I am a hypocrit. But I can't help thinking 9/11 threat is still with me. Heard it was just the other day.
Know what? I feel really stupid now. I guess I don't know how to call a spade a spade, and I can guarante I will never play poker with you, cause I know when to fold em.
Last year in tryinng to garner support for his war against Iraq Bush touted Winston Churchill as an example, and indeed George Bush keeps a bust of Churchill in the Oval Office…](BBC NEWS | UK | Politics | Bush 'no Churchill' says grandson)
Now is it not blatant hypocrisy to state on the one hand that he wants to rid Iraq of Saddam the gasser, and with in the same sentance hold up another gasser of the Iraqi’s (Churchill) as a model?
So your baiting me Malik73? The only evidence I would/will believe of Churchill bragging about gassing Kurds is a voice copy of his words and pictures and a microfilm copy of proof/and pictorial evidence he did that.
I am not a fishing man but if you saw some bait in my last post, so be it. :rolleyes:
If you don’t want to now believe that Churchill ever advocated gassing the Iraqi people or that the British did then use mustard gas against the Iraqi people then so be it, it’s a matter of history that many are aware and have discussed it in this thread.
Here is a US Congressional hearing transcript which mentions this fact in passing:-
**The first one to use gas against Arabs was Winston Churchill, the British, in the early 1920’s. They were Iraq Arabs they used them against. In the words of Winston Churchill, or his military head, it was used in order to subdue the, quote/unquote, recalcitrant Arabs. **](http://www.fas.org/spp/starwars/congress/1992/h920324g.htm)
I see your link, but its hard for me to believe. Is that why you hate us so much?
If so you may gas me if that would make you feel better.
George W Bush holds up one gasser of the Iraqi people as a role model against another gasser of the Iraqi people. How truly ironic and ignorant…
Re: How George Bush's hero, Winston Churchill advocated the gassing of the Iraqi Kurds
Aha! So the Christians at it again, one Christian (Churchill) gases Kurds and Arabs, then another Christian (Hitler) gasses the Jews, then another Christian (Truman) nukes the Japanese, then another Christian (Bush), bombs the bejesus (pardon the pun) out of the Iraqi's.
All role models for each other, but nothing to do with Allah sabana tallah and the teachings of Hazret Esah!
Christians your religion has been hijacked by murderers, thieves and scoundrels for a long long time now take it back and save yourselves.
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Christians your religion has been hijacked by murderers, thieves and scoundrels for a long long time now take it back and save yourselves.
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Perhaps ^ is what we share in common........
however.........
I don't think Mr. Winston Churchill when advocating for the use of gas to suppress the Arab population during the 1920's was prostelising such as sanctified by God.
Dear Fellow Guppies,
Ever have one of those days when you just feel like arguing?
One of those "got up on the wrong side of bed" disagreeable mood days?
Regret that my comments in this thread leak with the reek of pissiness.
What I understand from the souce cited is that Churchill did advocate the use of gas...
but in the sense that the belief at the time was that victims usually recovered.
I believe the timeline of this argument falls shortly after WWI when mustard gas was widely used.
Wasn't the Ottoman Empire signatory to the Central Powers? They faught against Brit's and Brit allies?