Why Democrats lost and what they should do next? [Merged]

OG:

Don't you agree that the stereotypes like 'liberals are elites' and 'republicans are stupid' stem from some educational demographic? Gross generalizations none the less but maybe it has some truth to it.

I remember on NPR, they interviewed the President of the organization that ran adds in Iowa against Howard Dean as elitist. Remember the "Volvo drivin' late drinkin' etc. When asked who the elitists are, he said majority of college professors are elitist democrats. I am paraphrasing off course.

I cannot say I see a trend of intelligence levels when speaking to Bush or Kerry supporters. What is evident to the educated people I speak with is the correlation of the amount of thought they put into their decision and their choice for president. Basically the less knowledge they had of the issues or the process, the more likely they were to vote for Bush. That's not to say there aren't a lot of intelligent politicos with well thought out positions that favored Bush (look at myvoice and OG), but there weren't any Kerry supporters that hadn't thought long and hard and studied the issues. Whereas over 1/2 of the Bush supporters I spoke with didn't know squat about politics or the consequences of this election. I think the statistic of over 70% of Bush supporters believing Iraq had something to do with 9/11 speaks of this as well.

Hahaha… admit it Ohioguy.. You can run but you can’t hide! :hehe:

On a more serious note, give the Dems some time to gather themselves and come up with a plausable explanation for this election defeat. Right now, its too raw.

why Bush won red states and why Kerry won Blue states - Interesting Analysis

I received an email today in which there is an interesting analysis of current elections based on average IQ of each state… well, it makes sense to me.

http://chrisevans3d.com/files/iq.htm

you mean the dumber the population, the greater the chances they voted for Bush :hehe:

Re: why Bush won red states and why Kerry won Blue states - Interesting Analysis

Too bad it’s BS.

As this has gotten a bit out of hand, I feel, and the editors feel, that I should take responsibility for posting this thing and clarify my reasons and intents about using what is clearly suspect data in the first place.

It was irresponsible of me to post this chart in this format and I apologize to the American Assembler and it’s readers for having done so. It was never my intent for anyone to take this seriously and I erred in judgment in not realizing that people would. Even if this chart is not a hoax, as it most probably is, it was inappropriate to post it for it is simply offensive.

I have to say that I did not invent this chart. It’s been floating around for years. All I did was dress it up a bit. But I regret posting it and I regret the fallacious distraction it’s caused from the real issues presented on this site. And yes, I even apologize to Republicans for implying they are stupid. Some people around here still think there’s hope for you all.

I now agree with some readers, and my editors, that, while I thought this would be a bit of amusing banter, it is damaging to the credibility of the Assembler and distracting from the real issues facing our country. My attempt to mock Republicans for voting for George Bush by posting suspect IQ data was not funny or constructive.

It is not the position of the American Assembler that there is any relevance whatsoever to any attempt to correlate intelligence or academic achievement with political leanings.

Once again, please accept my apologies for bad judgment and bad taste.

Sincerely,
Bill Well
[email protected]

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this is the map of US by County.
Blue = Kerry
Red = Bush

For California, Kerry won most of the counties along the coast. That includes Los Angeles and San Francisco counties.
In Southern Californa, Bush won Ventura, Orange, Riverside, San Diego and San Bernardino counties, while Kerry won the most densly populated LA County. Most of the central and eastern part of California is rural area or high/low desert and is republican based following the general national trend and supported Bush.

** "For California, Kerry won most of the counties along the coast. That includes Los Angeles and San Francisco counties.
In Southern Californa, Bush won Ventura, Orange, Riverside, San Diego and San Bernardino counties, while Kerry won the most densly populated LA County. Most of the central and eastern part of California is rural area or high/low desert and is republican based following the general national trend and supported Bush." **

Let's relate this to the discussion on education. Ventura and Orange Counties are relatively high income, low minority counties. My belief is that the average educational level of folks living there is well above the norm as well. Similarly, Riverside and San Diego counties have large upper middle class low minority populations. The poor and minorities in Los Angeles flocked to Kerry. This thoroughly trashes the theory that GOP voters are the uneducated, at least in California.

Now go to the South. Lest one forget, the Southern states have relatively large minority populations. The large minority population in those states are typically the less educated. So, the less educated minority population of these southern states brings down the average educational level for the whole state. And who did these less educated vote for 9 to 1. Kerry, of course. The real comparison would be to look at the educational level of Bush supporters in Georgia and compare them with the average educational level of the Kerry supporters in Georgia. Comparing apples to apples, I think you would find just the opposite relationship than that advanced by UTD.

Go to Michigan. Kerry wins because of Detroit and blue collar union workers. Hardly the most educated. Bush draws support in Michigan from the suburbs which is the higher income, higher educated.

Basically, what the liberal elite believe is that anyone who is anti-abortion, anti-gay marriage, and believes that the moral values instilled in them by their faith ought to be represented in their political leaders is necessarily uneducated. In their closed minds, this has to be so because educated people like them know that smart people believe in pro-choice, gay marriage and the separation of morality from politics.

Seminole writes: ** "Basically the less knowledge they had of the issues or the process, the more likely they were to vote for Bush. That's not to say there aren't a lot of intelligent politicos with well thought out positions that favored Bush (look at myvoice and OG), but there weren't any Kerry supporters that hadn't thought long and hard and studied the issues." **

That may be true with respect to those you spoke to. However, the consistent 9 to 1 voting support given by black Americans to DEM party candidates hardly supports your theory. It is not long and hard thought on the issues that causes this level of support among the black population. It is the label DEM or REP. Similarly, non-minority poor vote DEM because the DEM's rich vs. poor class warfare pitch panders to them.

Face it, each party can count on 40% of the vote from their faithful who unthinkingly vote party line. It is the other 20% of America who thinks long and hard about the issues and votes accordingly. That 20% voted for Bush in higher percentages than for Kerry and that's why Bush won. It was the issues that determined this election. It just so happens that the majority of these thinking people came to different conclusions than you respecting them.

"from some educational demographic? Gross generalizations"

STOP USING BIG WORDS JUST TO SOUND REALLY REALLY REALLY SMART!

^ ok stupid.

myvoice, you keep coming back to 9 to 1 vote, or in other words 10% of black vote to Bush, which is actually an increase in Bush's support among blacks. In 2000 he won around 9%.

Also, in the south the votes are racially divided. I don't think Blacks want to vote Democrat, it is just that they don't have a choice. You can argue all day long but Republicans are perceived as 'rich white man's party' and until they shrug off that image, they are not getting the black vote.

And I have voleentered in the rural south; as far as education is concerned there is little difference among the poor. Black or white, it doesn’t matter, the %age of high school dropout has little difference – it is just that there are more poor blacks than there are poor whites. But the poor whites in the south generally vote Republican while the poor blacks always vote the other way around. It’s a racial divide that fuels the political one.

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^ ok stupid.

myvoice, you keep coming back to 9 to 1 vote, or in other words 10% of black vote to Bush, which is actually an increase in Bush's support among blacks. In 2000 he won around 9%.

Also, in the south the votes are racially divided. I don't think Blacks want to vote Democrat, it is just that they don't have a choice. You can argue all day long but Republicans are perceived as 'rich white man's party' and until they shrug off that image, they are not getting the black vote.

And I have voleentered in the rural south; as far as education is concerned there is little difference among the poor. Black or white, it doesn’t matter, the %age of high school dropout has little difference – it is just that there are more poor blacks than there are poor whites. But the poor whites in the south generally vote Republican while the poor blacks always vote the other way around. It’s a racial divide that fuels the political one.
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some very good points indeed but u cud have made your point without callin some one stupid.....

I resemble that remark!

PD, you know why it makes sense to you, becuase your candidate is a loser and it only helps to support your argument. Also, we should believe everything that appears on a web page, I am sure the writer provided great number of refrences and cited numerous research artciles supporting his view....Please tell me he did.

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PD, you know why it makes sense to you, becuase your candidate is a loser and it only helps to support your argument. Also, we should believe everything that appears on a web page, I am sure the writer provided great number of refrences and cited numerous research artciles supporting his view....Please tell me he did.
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yarr, by the way i was supporting bush ......my candidate was bush not kerry but it makes sense to me because i am a man of extremely low IQ and limited intelligence....there you go...that is why i supported bush....:D

ok here is some raw data supported by actual voting records from the 2000 elections.
the site belongs to a Benjamin K. Bergen @ University of Hawaii.

What characterizes states that vote for George W. Bush?

An analysis of voting patterns reveals that their populations tend to:

  1. Lack a college education
  2. Be White
  3. Be obese
  4. Shop at Walmart

See the rest in the link. Also dont forget to read the FAQ

(Still looking for data from this years election, will keep you guys posted)

I will say it one more time: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

"Naturally, the common people don't want war, but after all, it is the
leaders of a country who determine the policy. And it is a simple matter to drag people along whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country"

-Hermann Goering, Hitler's Reich-Marshall at the Nuremberg Trials after WWII

^ It indeed works in every country every time.

Now let's not imagine that everyone is completely stupid. They certainly know whether their individual circumstances are improving or not. Does anybody remember, "It's the economy stupid'?

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ppl voting for repubs might be hicks..but repub's top leadership is just spectacular. im sure dems would love to get their hands on clones of karl rove, karen hughes, ed gillespie etc