Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?

[yazdi]

Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?

@psyah

Peace yazdi

I do not accept evolution as a probability because in order to measure probablistic ends we need to know the ends results … we can merely say that it is possible and that too not very possible because again we have no example to show for it.

We have arrived at the scene some 4 billion years after the birth of this planet. Life forms have existed for some 3 billion years. I agree that means are always probed looking at the end results.. and end results are what we now know definitely:
!) Life forms are different from geological historical times on this planet.
2) With the lapse of geological time we have more complex life forms on this planet.
Now your argument that there is no lab/concrete/conclusive evidence of the evolution of these life forms.. therefore the literal description of the scriptures must be right. This is a major logical fallacy.. definitely does not suit a science scholar.

When it comes to my position I agree with you I do favour my scripture in a somewhat close minded way … that is what faith is all about, but my problem is with evolution trying to be scientific when indeed it too is a faith based approach to the origins of life. I favour my religion over the religion of evolutionism and if it turns out that something from evolution is true then I’ll modify my understanding from scripture, but until that point I believe it to be a stronger bet to remain where I am …

I am glad I helped you come out of this science closet. I have nothing against your faith based position.. but please do not relate it with science.

With regards to the difference in species the explanation given by religious scripture is that He causes some things to thrive and others to die, kingdoms are replaced with new ones … examples of how this happens can be seen in our own experiences … we can see how the grey squirrel took over the red - we do not conclude that the red squirrel evolved into grey ones, we know that grey squirrels came from some other place and resettled in the area where there were red ones. This is the history of all things readily proven … as before dinosaurs did NOT evolve into other creatures … they died off. It would be insincere to say that on one hand dinosaurs were killed by an asteroid, yet on the other hand say that modern creatured evolved from dinosaurs that could not be possible because they would be dead. Unless that is those creatures that survived were the ancestors of the modern creatures, but then we need to demonstrate that we can prove which creatures survived the asteroid and then what route they offspring took to become modern creatures.

For me it is vital to my belief on many levels to say “God says to it Be and it is” - immediate creation from nothing. This statement is a literal one and cannot hold any metaphoric meaning. With a stretch you can say that “Be” means starting off the process of evolution … which makes me shudder in my boots to such a degradation to the Might of Allah (SWT). It simply does not fit. As a Muslim I cannot compromise scripture because the understandings are calibrated together with each other - by messing with that calibration unwittingly in order to serve scientific ends we can create calamities with other aspects of the faith. What we need to do is be biased to our faith and have a small space for discovery to add new dimensions to our understanding … I strongly believe that you will not find evolution to be satisfactory on a scientific level in years to come and it certainly isn’t there today.

Your last sentence is an indicator of your fixed ideas.. end results.. and you are trying to find means to suit your pre assumed ideas. Fine for someone who has nothing to do with science.. but hardly a suitable attitude for a science scholar. I bet you have never studied evolution with an open mind therefore already you have this pre concluded idea that it can not be a possibility.

You believe in a God of miracles. A God who is continuously breaking the laws of nature, a very hands on God who is running the universe with “be it” style for every petty stuff.. as per the literal description of scriptures. What I see are the laws of nature which are precise, exact, and harmonious.. and God is managing this universe through these softwares. The laws of motion, energy, composition of matter, relationship between all these different dimensions.. everything is managed through these precise laws of nature. I am sure the changes which occurred in life forms are also managed by some laws of nature. Already we know now about DNA, a software for the development every individual life form.. an other exact law of nature, and every aspect of development is written in it.

Your repeated example of these squirrels show your lack of knowledge about evolution and genes, in spite of the fact that you claim to be science scholar. It’s not like you mix the yellow with blue to get a green. Genes do not mingle.. they shuffle.. every individual gene is passed on to the off spring in purest form. If your idea was correct, after sometime there will be no diversity within a certain specie.. mixing blue and yellow continuously will have all green.. and mixing green with green.. every individual within a specie will become identical to each other. Again this shuffling of genes within a gene pool is an exact law of nature which does not deviate. Every individual within a community of a specie is a carrier of genes from ancestors to off spring.

You could be right about this " be it " approach.. but this “be It” must have been to create these laws of nature from nothingness.. This could be the metaphoric meaning of “be It”.. because how many deviations from these laws of nature (miracles) have you witnessed in your career as a science scholar.. probably never…

P.S.
The dinosaur example you quoted is again depicting that you haven’t studied the evolution possibility with an open mind. The concept of evolution is based on common ancestors.. As there are no species in the world with ancestral evidence going back to dinosaurs.. therefore it is concluded that they became extinct by some natural calamity. Doesn’t mean that dinosaurs did not share common ancestry with some other species.. if evolution is true..!!!