It’s this Monday, here are your choices:
Dean
Gephardt
Kerry
Lieberman
Rev. Al Sharpton
John Edwards
Kucinich.
Tuesday morning John Edwards will be the story no matter who wins.
Mr (Bean) Dean
Dean should win it, as far as ranking there goes i think it will be something like
Dean
Gephardt
Kerry
John Edwards
Lieberman
Kucinich.
Sharpton
or we may wake up in bizzaro world and see this
Sharpton
Kucinich
Lieberman
Edwards
Kerry
Gephardt
Dean
..
either way, what do u think it would look like if Hillary was there ?
This is really getting interesting.
"DES MOINES, Iowa (Reuters) - The Democratic presidential race in Iowa is a virtual three-way tie between John Kerry, Howard Dean and Richard Gephardt four days before the state’s caucuses, according to a Reuters/MSNBC/Zogby poll released on Thursday.
In the latest rolling three-day poll, Kerry registered 21.6 percent with Dean and Gephardt both at 20.9 percent. North Carolina Sen. John Edwards gained two percentage points to 17.1 percent, well within the poll’s margin of error, putting all four top contenders in a statistical tie. "
Because of the unique nature of the Iowa Caucus, the candidate whose supporters are most activist and most committed has a distinct edge. You don’t just walk into a polling place, cast your ballot and go home to sit in front of your warm fire waiting for results. You’ve got to make a real investment of your time and spend a few hours sitting in uncomfortable folding steel chairs listening to a whole bunch of people talk about their candidate of choice.
My perception is that Dean supporters are more activist and committed than supporters for some of the other guys. I think he will come out on top. If he doesn’t, it will be a pretty good psychological blow after leading in the polls for so long. If he comes in third or fourth, it would really hurt.
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In the latest rolling three-day poll, Kerry registered 21.6 percent with Dean and Gephardt both at 20.9 percent. North Carolina Sen. John Edwards gained two percentage points to 17.1 percent
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Interesting. Although I think each candidate can pick a poll of their choice to show whatever they wanna show. I would have thought Kerry has run out of steam and Dean juggernaut is rolling. Edwards is interesting and I'd like him to do well.
For some reason, I just can't trust Dean. He is too shifting. Doesn't look presidential at all. My favorite is Clark, though he is not running in Iowa. I really hope Clark wins the democratic nomination, cz Dean on Democratic ticket, in my mind, means Bush till 2008. Horrible.
Late breaking news is that Braun has quit and endorsed Dean. Dunno if that will move a lot of votes Dean's way.
it may move some of the sharpton votes to dean faisal, dunno about rest.
as far as looking presidential, the same was said about a lot of ppl including W and clinton. I would say dean and clark are probably the most presidential among dems..least are probably kucinich and lieberman among serious candidates.. but even they look good compared to sharpton.. he needs to go to queer eye for the straight guy
Dean's got bigger problems than not looking presidential. His wife and kid are jews... there goes the muslim vote.
kucinich looks and sounds like a hobbit
Unless the inner city of Baltimore or Washington DC has been transported by particle beem to Iowa, there aren't enough black supporters of Braun or Sharpton in Iowa to make a wit of difference.
Stu so kucinich may get the geek vote, all those LOTR groupies may vote for him.
I dont know about dean not getting muslim vote due to his wife's faith. the people who willvote based on religion may see the ultra-right buddies of W, like those idiot graham and robertson etc as a bigger threat than dean's wife and kids.
MV
you are right, Iowa is not a state known for its minority population percentage, but then niether is New Hampshire :)
Can someone list down when are all the primaries? I get all confused ... Jazak'Allah!
man... i almost read it as
Can someone list down when are all the primates? I get all confused ... Jazak'Allah!
time for me to log off i think
Here is the Democratic primary schedule.
As for Iowa I don’t think Dean will win. I can’t say who out of Gephardt or Kerry, though. And IMO I think that latest poll is irrelevant. The margin of error is greater than the margin of difference. Really I don’t think Iowa has enough of the sort of people that go for Dean. Though I’ve heard stories about flunkies coming over the border just for the caucus?
On the national scale I really don’t think Dean is as popular as he’s made out to be. And because there are all these “high-level” Democrats jumping on the bandwagon now there will probably be a lot of people looking really stupid in a few months. If too many of these people start backing Dean now the Dems will surely lose. The smart ones should wait until March or April to announce their endorsements.
Dean gives me the creeps, and for too many reasons. Almost everyone I talk to has the same feeling. The few I know that do support Dean can’t give me a straight answer why. Things are looking really pathetic from my standpoint. Personally I kinda like Edwards. Clark is ok but I don’t think he knows jack about being prez (then again Edwards doesn’t either) and won’t stand up to Rove’s onslaught. But I’d vote for Sharpton before I vote for Dean.
In my view, the people who support Dean, are mostly the people who think most others support him too, so join the bandwagon.
Problem is.. with one year of campaigning and many years of political life, its still unclear as to really where Dean stands on the issues. I mean, how odd it is for Time magazine to run a cover now saying "Who is Dean???". It just means the guy has changed his positions so many times and made huge policy statements on the fly that no one can really be sure what he believes in and what he will do once he gets elected.
Dean is unelectable.
I had a meeting with John Kerry a few years ago. I was lobbying him on healthcare isues for a trade association. We had some paperwork and regualtory problems that we needed support on. His stock reply on any technical issue was, "I will defer to the senior Senator on that issue." The senior senator was Kennedy of course. Kennedy's office has a great group on healthcare issues, but Kerry did not have a single idea of his own.
After sitting in the room with him for nearly an hour, I did not feel that I was in the presence of greatness, infact, the guy was boring as dirt. In retrospect, he is about as animated as a block of wood, and I can't think of a single issue where he has been a driving force for change. He does have very presidential hair however.....
Give me McCain.....
Who cares....Dems are going to lose the election anyway. It does not matter who they bring they dont stand a chance against Bush.
I've watched a number of Demo debates leading up to this caucus. (Iknow.....I know....I must live a boring life).
While these debates don't really provide information about where the candidates stand on the issues and/or what they would really do as president, you can begin to gauge them on a likeability scale and form opinions about how well they think on their feet and present themselves to the public. On these factors, I sort of think Edwards shines above the rest. Some late news show last night said that he has gained about 10 points in the Iowa polls over the last couple weeks. If I heard right, that's a pretty remarkable climb. Everybody seems to be talking about how Kerry has gained and Dean has lost and not many focus on Edwards. Even in fourth place according to the polls, he is within the margin of error.
Iowa is not California or New York. There is not a large base of discontent and anger in the typical Iowan. Your union guys will do what they always have done which is to vote the union way (in this case Gephardt). The other Iowans are probably looking for the more middle of the road, level-headed, likeable candidate. That leaves them to choose between Kerry and Edwards to find the Dean alternative and the union alternative. Maybe they're seeing in Edwards the same thing I'm seeing. He's nowhere in the polls in NH. A surprising win or strong showing in Iowa could make NH people take a second look. On Feb 3, he ought to do very well in SC. The other Feb 3 primaries are also in states that don't have a real stong activist base of liberal anger. We're talking about Arizona, South Dakota, New Mexico and Oklahoma.
I'd like to see and learn more of Edwards. I hope he does well in Iowa.
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I'm with you on that one OG. He was dead right about the conservative christian right having too much power in the republican party
^ me too.
Back on Dean.. if you ask me he's just another tech bubble.. people, no, pundits let themselves get amazed by his supposed successes in organizing, fund-raising, etc. But he's completely hollow.
If Edwards even comes in third in Iowa it would probably help. All he needs is for at least one news outlet to start taking him seriously, which so far almost none do. But still, I doubt if he'd last a week against Bush's team.. though he'd probably do better in the polls than most would expect.
whoever the media wants to win.. I did an unscientific test on a few TV watching non-political subjects.. they could only identify the names Dean and Lieberman and at times Gephart as the Democratic presidential hopefuls..
the media has done their job well.. it'll be Dean.. (in Iowa though if Gephart can get a lot of buses and throw a Bingo party.. he still has hope.)
I had hoped it was Kucinich.. but hey.. u gotta have someone who's different but still the same.. and Dean fits the bill.
OG and STU, you got one more McCain supporter here.
anyways...i think whatever the best that this field is going to cough up, is only going to be a punching bag for W, kinda like dole/kemp were for clinton/gore.. you knew there was no way they were actually goign to win.
Now Clark seems to be a good guy, but if people were elected on the basis of being good guys. McCain would have been the pres already.
I expect to see more fireworlks in 2008, with a suspicion that Gore or hillary will jump in. not facing an incumbent their chances will be higher.