http://pakwatan.com/main/Qadeer4.php3
What a brilliant article. A must read. It talks about all the corrupt people and looters, from Musharraf to the Parliament, who decided AQ Khan’s fate. Read in the end how AQ Khan cried when he found out he was pardoned by these same people.
Urdu phadne nahi aatee...
Anyways, some NATIONAL HERO the Pakistanis have... a thief, a bandit and a smuggler all rolled into one... an egotist metallurgist who starts off a career in Nuclear Science by stealing Dutch designs and then does a garage sale of his nuclear wares..shamelessly accumulating wealth and property in the process....... Has the whole of Pakistan gone nuts to raise this everyday burglar to a hero status...Is he the role model Pakistani kids would like to emulate...
Ill try to translate the whole thing tommorow night.
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*Originally posted by Some1: *Anyways, some NATIONAL HERO the Pakistanis have... a thief, a bandit and a smuggler all rolled into one... an egotist metallurgist who starts off a career in Nuclear Science by stealing Dutch designs and then does a garage sale of his nuclear wares..shamelessly accumulating wealth and property in the process....... Has the whole of Pakistan gone nuts to raise this everyday burglar to a hero status...Is he the role model Pakistani kids would like to emulate...
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Thief??? : Patriot is more like it. He did whatever was neccessary to protect his country, when it was under threat of an unrelentingly hostile neighbouring country to its east that had invaded Pakistan's internationally recognised sovereign territory twice in the previous 10 years, and that was constructing an arsenal of weapons of mass destruction.
Bandit??? : Praytell what acts of banditry he commited, else withdraw your baseless allegation.
Smuggler : He was raised to hero status long before allegations were made of his a smuggler, and those who still hold him to be a hero maintain that he did not do any smuggling, but rather was an agent of government policy.
Those who hold Dr Khan to be a still role model for Pakistan view him as a patriot, who allowed himself to become a fugitive in Europe for the sake of his country's national security, and who was turned into a scapegoat for government policy to avoid repercussions that would damage his country, and who above all willingly sacrificed his honour for his country by claiming sole responsibility for the allegations laid against his country and thus exonerating it completely.
In short. those who hold him as a hero view him as a man who gave all of himself to the protection of his nation, of his people.
Of course, there are also many who take the opposite voew - that he did not act as an agent of government policy, that he started as a hero and then used this status and trust for personal benefit. But that is being discussed in another thread.
Maddy, I dont think you should waste any time on this one, trust me!
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Urdu phadne nahi aatee...
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shame...
and for the rest of your views; in some time when you know more you'll reflect and know how inaccurate your perceptions are...
real life thes days is not as simple as plain traitor or plain hero, it's far more complicated.
Why dont indians admit that they are jealous of the fact that Musharaf once again took Pakistan out of the trouble
The truth is that there is no right or good side to this latest debacle. AQ Khan is not a saint, and certianly not the army, ISI or its underlings.
After Kargil, the army lied to the whole world and it's crediblity was reduced to zero and now they don't even know who amongst them is selling nuclear weapons, who is helping taliban, who is smuggling drugs, who is stealing land, who is hording taxpayers money, who is hellping americans, who is fighting americans.
The pak army today is the most corrupt and ineffectice institution we have. Can you imagine any other civilized country in the world where it's scientists sell state secrets and then they are pardoned and NO ONE is fired, no one resigns, no one is charged with treason. At least make the general in charge of nuclear security resign with some land allotments in Sindh. Their is no shame in this beghairat army.
Poor Musharraf had to be told by the Americans what his own people are doing, he cannot even trust his intelligence service.
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The truth is that there is no right or good side to this latest debacle. AQ Khan is not a saint, and certianly not the army, ISI or its underlings.
After Kargil, the army lied to the whole world and it's crediblity was reduced to zero and now they don't even know who amongst them is selling nuclear weapons, who is helping taliban, who is smuggling drugs, who is stealing land, who is hording taxpayers money, who is hellping americans, who is fighting americans.
The pak army today is the most corrupt and ineffectice institution we have. Can you imagine any other civilized country in the world where it's scientists sell state secrets and then they are pardoned and NO ONE is fired, no one resigns, no one is charged with treason. At least make the general in charge of nuclear security resign with some land allotments in Sindh. Their is no shame in this beghairat army.
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unfortunately, I agree with pretty much everything you posted. strange times.
waisay IMO, substituting "army" with "generals" will make your assertion even more credible.
"Poor musharraf" is an oxymoron. The dictator has been fully involved in the N-proliferation. wait-and-see.
What I find hard to believe that this Mr. Strangelove has made no secrets of his ill-gotten wealth in Pak and abroad... and Musharaff says "He can have his money". No matter how liberally I look at it...I still dont get it.
Maybe, just maybe now Pakistanis will realize that FULL civillan rule, no matter how corrupt and horrible it may seem still offers something no army rule can: transparency. For that to happen generals will need to learn their place in Pakistani society and government structure.
How that will happen is the more difficult question, but only when we realize the real problem, we can solve it.
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....Pakistanis will realize that FULL civillan rule, no matter how corrupt and horrible it may seem still offers something no army rule can: transparency.
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Not sure about that.
But one thing good about Civilian rule (democracy) is that the rulers can be kicked out if you dont like them...when the Army is in power...the common people have no such choice...
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Can you imagine any other civilized country in the world where it's scientists sell state secrets and then they are pardoned and NO ONE is fired, no one resigns, no one is charged with treason.
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yes.. when it's in National interest nations try to put a lid on things.. early developers of the USA bomb leaked details to the Soviets.... and the list is long on Israeli spies who were caught in the USA but deported not tried and became national heroes back home.
it's time we stood up and protected our own without buckling under foreign pressures.. Had musharraf punished AQ we'd all be crying hoarse on how he bows down to western demands on just a telephone call.. at least give him credit for showing some spine for a change.. even if it involves saving his own skin..
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yes.. when it's in National interest nations try to put a lid on things.. early developers of the USA bomb leaked details to the Soviets.... and the list is long on Israeli spies who were caught in the USA but deported not tried and became national heroes back home.
it's time we stood up and protected our own without buckling under foreign pressures.. Had musharraf punished AQ we'd all be crying hoarse on how he bows down to western demands on just a telephone call.. at least give him credit for showing some spine for a change.. even if it involves saving his own skin..
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I agree!
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yes.. when it's in National interest nations try to put a lid on things.. early developers of the USA bomb leaked details to the Soviets.... and the list is long on Israeli spies who were caught in the USA but deported not tried and became national heroes back home.
it's time we stood up and protected our own without buckling under foreign pressures.. Had musharraf punished AQ we'd all be crying hoarse on how he bows down to western demands on just a telephone call.. at least give him credit for showing some spine for a change.. even if it involves saving his own skin..
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We are not talking about afew leaks here and their. We are talking about an elaborate smuggling ring run right under Musharraf's nose, that he only knew about after the Americans told him. I'm not talking about making AQKhan a scapegoat, I am talking about removing the corrupt elemetns from the army and taking to task anyone who was responsible for the security of nuclear secrets.
But even more then that, Musharraf has to change the culture of the army from a pan-islamist smuggling ring to a professional force. The story is only begining, who knows what else is going on in secret in Pakistan. Do you realize the consequences of Pakistani nukes getting into al qaeda's hands? What if they nuke some american city? Who do you think the nuke will be traced back to and who will have to deal with the punishment? This is not an open and shut case, this rasies many questions about how responsible the army is and whether it can be trusted with nuclear weapons. Personally, I wouldn't trust the generals and corps commanders with a "ghulal".
^ Nice avatar (Islamabad i.e.)
If Pakistan isn't the signatory to the NPT and is not under any obligation to abide by its rules, then why is this issue causing such a great hoo-ha. Why does the dictator not appear on TV and tells it to the whole world. He knows it very well that there are some unwritten laws that cannot be ignored by any state under any circumstance. Ok, USA or some other powers might have done something like this in the past but they are a "real" super power and can afford such mistakes. I would say that the USA has saved Pakistan from committing a huge mistake, providing nuclear devices or know-how to a neighbouring country is not comprehensible to me.
Let me ask those who think we should shrug this under the carpet for the sake of "national security" & pardon A Q Khan, do they consider that if someone less reputable than A Q Khan was alleged for running such an underground trafficking system, would he be pardoned as well?!
What is going to happen to all the other people involved? Do you think they will be pardoned like A Q Khan? Especially the few Army personals involved? And if not, isn't it injustice?
Especially those who are religious zealots here defending AQ, how about Islamic teachings of "when an influential man breaks a law he should be punishable to the same degree as if someone poor"?
i’ve countered this notion in another thread.. it’s entirely overblown and preposterous to the extreme.. there is no real danger of ‘nukes’ getting into the hands of ‘terrorists’.. it’s terrorist nations that others are more worried about and proliferation happens when countries are trying to acquire nuclear capability while hiding from the world.
Pakistan is not a signatory to any international treaties in this regard.. we can damn well choose to help anyone we want.. although in this case it wasn’t overt and the choice was poor.. Libya?? Iran??
Why doesn’t anyone go back to their dear Iranians and chastize them for spinelessly selling their Muslim brothers down the river like weasels; buckling under Uncle Sam’s pressure.. where is all the braggocio now?? some ‘islamic’ republic.. 
Lot of underground things happen when one is hiding their nuclear program from the world.. yes the army has to have been involved.. but then again.. who were they building the nukes for?? Uganda?? it was for Pakistan.. they took that risk for the country.. so why should we now become Uncle Sam’s touts and ask for their head on a platter.. the US and other countries have done similar misdeeds when they were trying to acquire nuclear power.