The politics after the prophets passing did not change the word of Allah. Now what the scholars wrote decades and centuries later could be tainted with biases of the politics, and that is one major reason to look at any sort of books post quran with suspicion, and what sounds dodgy should really be avoided and just because something does not sound dodgy in there does not mean that its accurate.
so much energy is spent on whether yazid should be called maloon or RA. why dont we just call him by name, not give him any honorary salutations nor add curses to his name, because niether have any real implication on the faith. instead of fighting on such minor political details, cant ppl just follow the faith, and one of the key things being haqooq al ibaad?
maybe my view is too simplistic, but atleast it avoids the polarization, tension and bloodshed that the charged sectarian views have been responsible for.
Absolutely.
That was then. What matters is what people should do today. Among those is not to waste time and energy over these issues.
It will take some more time for people to grasp this. :Sighs:
Narrated Ibn Abi Nu’m: A person asked 'Abdullah bin 'Umar whether a Muslim could kill flies. I heard him saying (in reply). “The people of Iraq are asking about the killing of flies while they themselves murdered the son of the daughter of Allah’s Apostle . The Prophet said, They (i.e. Hasan and Husain) are my two sweet basils in this world.” (Book #57, Hadith #96)
Nah, Husain RA did not fight against the ruler Yazeed. He was going to Syria todeclare acceptance to his khilafa while Kufi stopped him in the way brutally killed him.
History: Ali RA made agreement with Muawiya RA in the tehkeem of Abu Musa Ashari RA that the khilafa would be shifting between these two families because Prophet Mohammad SAW said, “Khalifa should be from Quraish”.
That is why when Hasan RA took Khilafa after Ali RA death, Muawiyah RA asked him to transfer it to him. In the meanwhile, Khuwarij (the trouble seekers and makers) killed Hasan RA. So, after the death of Muawiyah RA, first Husain RA thought that it was his turn and Kufies provoked him to claim that. But later on he decided to keep Ummah united and to accept Yazeed’s khilafa. While he was going to Syria to declare his alliance, again those Kufi Khuwarij killed him on the way.
Originally Posted by Sister_J
Yazeed DID NOT kill Husain RA. Husain RA was going to accept his Khilafa and was martyred by Khuwarij Kufi Shias in the way according to Sahih Bukhari.
QUESTION:
Sister_J can you tell me where in sahih bukhari it is written???give me refference of it??????
ANSWER:
In first post of this thread.
Source: Who killed Husain RA?
Sahih Bukhari
Narrated Ibn Abi Nu'm: A person asked 'Abdullah bin 'Umar whether a Muslim could kill flies. I heard him saying (in reply). "The people of Iraq are asking about the killing of flies while they themselves murdered the son of the daughter of Allah's Apostle . The Prophet said, They (i.e. Hasan and Husain) are my two sweet basils in this world." (Book #57, Hadith #96)
QUESTION: Dear sister,you didnt read the HADITH and hurried to post it.it didnt say that (Husain RA was going to accept his Khilafa and was martyred by Khuwarij Kufi Shias) secondly according to my resources,yazeed was in command of SHAM and IRAQ,then how can ppl of IRAQ killed a great personality like imam hussain a.s without came into know by yazeed as all the commanders who martyred imam hussain were under the rule of yazeed????
so there are 2 QUESTIONS i am asking you,ANSWER them to the satisfaction and please be straight forward.dont confuse us.ALL EYES ON YOU.
Ok we shall not curse yazeed baba. Frankly, those were his Playboy years. It was not his fault the some 70 something people were killed by mistake. He was enjoying his time in heram. Yazeed boy was ladies man.
Ok seriously, I will do as you said but first you promise me here in writing that you will not not add (ra) after his father ( Ameer Muaviya ) name where ever you write
I am not shia. I detest the cursing phobia. I also abhour the person who started this sick tradition in Islam. His name was Ameer Muaviya. He was Yazeed's daddy. I do not respect him. I lost all respect for him once I knew that it was his brainchild. He started this cursing practice during his reign. What a sick mind.
code bhai aap nay haqq ka jhanda baland kia hai !
I share with you the abhorance of muawiyah , however its not because of his cursing of ali b abitalib, or any ideological reasons ( like the twelvers do) but because this man changed the Sunnah of the prophet and the pious caliphs.His tyranny sets the precedent for all the dictatorships that were to follow.
btw the reasoning behind the cursing was not simply hatred of ali, but because his cursing served a convenient way of testing the loyalty of the supporters of ali who now had to live under muawiyah's regime.
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Narrated Ibn Abi Nu'm: A person asked 'Abdullah bin 'Umar whether a Muslim could kill flies. I heard him saying (in reply). "The people of Iraq are asking about the killing of flies while they themselves murdered the son of the daughter of Allah's Apostle . The Prophet said, They (i.e. Hasan and Husain) are my two sweet basils in this world." (Book #57, Hadith #96)
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Taking a hadith out of context is the classical way you people try to "debate"
This hadith at best just illustrates the frustration of abdullah b umar radiallahanhu at the killing of hussain b ali radiallahanhu.
if you look at his accusation, its merely directed at the people of iraq. This can include anyone who resided in iraq.Do we need to go through the list of the illustrious sahaba and tabaeen who lived in iraq at that time ? are you going to accuse them of collectively murdering hussain ?