Who finances Taliban? Finally the truth comes out

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Here is some clues about one channel of funding to Talibans. Zardari has already talked about a slush fund out of the one billion dollars given to Musharaf Govt out of which only 300-400 were given to the military. The rest, according to Zardari, might be going to elements wthin ISI connected with militants and into the pockets of high-ups.

Some Pakistani officials feared an impeachment trial would produce embarrassing revelations about corruption in the government — and about connections between Pakistan’s intelligence agencies and Islamist fighters in the country’s tribal areas bordering Afghanistan.”

Musharraf Seeks Immunity-Resignation Trade : NPR

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There seems to be truth in the above revelation. Higher military bureaucracy of Pakistan has rarely been having much character and integrity. I've heard this general posted in Peshawar as core commander embezzeled many millions dollars. It is said the GCO (General Commanding Officer) of Kohat had flown to Waziristan for a secret meeting with Jalaluddin Haqani but his helicopter mysteriously got crashed.

Man there is no WARSA Pact now neither the communist ideology nor Russia's commitment to spread and defend communism the world over. There isn't also any USSR. Russia's conflict with US over Poland issue is like China's conflict with US on Taiwan.

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"Aides to Sharif, a key player in the ruling coalition, said he had resisted requests from Lyall Grant, Saudi Arabia and the US to show “flexibility” and back a “dignified exit” for Musharraf. Britain, the United States and Kayani all fear the possibility of a court case in which the president’s often controversial role in the war on terror would be exposed.

The government has prepared a charge sheet, which includes accusations that Musharraf let the United States breach Pakistan’s sovereignty by bombing terror suspects on its soil. It also accuses him of handing over Pakistani citizens accused of terrorism to America in return for payments to his security services. “The Americans don’t want their dirty linen washed in public,” said a source

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Quit this week or face charges, army tells Musharraf - Times Online

Things haven't changed since this govt took over, so this accusation falls flat on its face, IMO.


That statement from Zardari was probably shot in the dark, he cannot possibly have access to military accounts/funding details, nobody does. As per US statement all the funds that were given to Pakistan were given to national exchequer and not some personal accounts.

and where r india,israel and american on tht great list?..u did not mention anything abt these three biggest evils in the nrothern areas…
infact burqaposh darling,if u talk to any informative person on taliban,their funding and structure,he will tell u tht taliban name is being used by many unknown group emerged after army operations and american cross border terrorism..many of these group who clame to be taliban r not actually taliban..they r professional criminal people receiving massive funding and weapons especially from india and fresh crop in the form of young angry ever looking for revenge phathans who r being pushed to the walls by our senseless army operation…

if taliban were involved in all criminal activities,then army would have control taliban just by using few alim deens of karachi..things r much bigger and complex for a person like u setting thousands of miles away..even these things r complex for secret agencies and army…

thanks to some idiots in our army and loser agencies and namak haraam agfhanis,we r suffering..but yes the role of our religious soceity has been very poor..

its the time now tht we activate our true alims and muftis from diff cities..and ask them to control problems in northern areas…and we should kick the butt of india in afghanistan by supporting taliban and support kashmiri mujhaddins and assam fighters..enough is enough..

A newspaper article does not signify the truth - it just represents a writers point of view thats it Burqaposh x.

I am not sure Saudi would actually want to destabilise Pakistan to that extent - individuals within Saudi may want to convert people to their ideology but the government of Saudi if anything is probably on good terms with Pakistan.

Iran have been linked to supporting the Taliban in Afghanistan by the USA (although that does not mean they necessarily are) - ideology and shia-sunni differences would not matter if Iran sincerely wanted to weaken the USA. I am not sure what benefit Iran would get from destabilising Pakistan - maybe Balochistan?

I heard of stories from Swat where when militants have been caught they have been stripped naked and paraded in front of people - theres rumours going round that many foreign militants are uncircumcised "Russians". Russia would want to control the region but I am not sure if i would support Taliban.

India quite naturally could support Taliban and have probably funded some of their activities - there are lots of rumours but little evidence of their involvement on the western border of pakistan - why on earth they need a consulate or embassy in Jalalabad baffles many. India naturally does not want to see pakistan there. Quite likely they would be in partnership with Israel - 2 contries remain between Israel and India's geo-political dominance - Iran and pakistan. Israel would not want to see any muslim country with any power on this planet unless it was aligned to its interests like Turkey...

America - - the USA is fighting the militants and is accusing the ISI of supporting them - some of it would be true but then many accuse the USA of financing the Taliban. If the USA's policies are in line with the Israeli-Indian partnership then quite franklly Pakistan is under some serious danger. The USA wants that every country in the world remains subservient to its dominance. The USA at this moment considers political islam as a threat - political islam threatens their puppet leaders in the muslim world. There are many pro's and con's as to whether the USA would support the Taliban - it all depends on what the futuure role they see for pakistan. A country to be broken down into smaller pieces or a country aligned to america but no longer able to challenge India in any way......The USA could support the taliban and then use it as an excuse to enter Pakistan but then it would make their job harder.

The ISI - many locals claim these militants are just ISI games and nothing more than that. If the ISI are proved tobe linked to the Taliban then the USA will consider Pakistan a threat and have to deal with it harshly. There will be elemnts within the ISI which support the Taliban - Pakistan has a lot to benefit from the Taliban as they are not pro-Indian like other Afghan groups. Remember Mushy's "moderate" Taliban? Pakistan needs the Taliban from this point of view to make sure India does not get the uppe rhand in Afghanistan anymore than it has now.

The local population of Pakistan probably have given funds to the taliban but i amnot sure if people in this day and age will still do that - over the last 18 months the Taliban have alienated MANY Pakistan moderate and Madrassa educated.

Crime - kidnappings, looting, ransom, blackmail, drugs will all play their part. One of the above posters has laughed that the Taliban tax people - wherever they have etsblished a writ - short term even - they have run dual systems and taxed people too.

Most likely that the Taliban are receiving money from different sides. A prostitute thinks the more clients, the more money.

Post # 1 is a load of bullcr@p.

It is a joint venture of indian spy agencies and CIA (not the American govt. as CIA totally controls the American govt.) to fund, support, train random local or non-local criminals to act as talibans. Create havoc on the land of "the only muslim state equiped with atomic power", demolish Pakistan's tourism (northern areas), industries and country's every single asset that could help Pakistan's economy from declining.

Why?

India and CIA (whoever these people are) do not wish to see an economically stabilized atomic power muslim state to exist on the map of the world. India keeps pushing CIA. And since it involves their interest too, making 'Talibans' and 'war on terror' their EXCUSE, they keep attacking and killing the tribes who were actually LOYAL to Pakistan and its' sovereignty. It is indeed a joint indian and CIA venture.

They continue to send trained terrorists to the northern and other areas of Pakistan (through Afghanistan), buy those local criminals for suicide and other bombings, and then send their forces which are intended to target and destory those same criminals (sent by them) BUT instead they target and kill those tribes who are actually LOYAL to Pakistan. So in the end, those who are dieing are Pakistani civilians, loyal tribesmen, Pakistani soldiers, rangers, etc. And those who remain are the ACTUAL trained terrorists local or non-local, including the terrorists of CIA and indian spy agencies.

I cannot believe our army and so called 'patriotic' spy agencies (ISI and such) could be so stupid to see the real picture and catch the actual snakes creating havoc on Pakistani soil.

Really, if Pakistani army and spy agencies are incapable of killing the ACTUAL terrorists then all of us can only PRAY to God to send angels to destroy these 'foreign elements' which are after destorying the very existance of Pakistan. May all those even 1% involved in laying a bad eye on Pakistan or destabilizing Pakistan die and May their desire of seeing a broken Pakistan never be fulfilled. May Allah spread unbreakable unity among all the sectors and ethnicities of Pakistan that the enemy's dream of destructing our land, our people forever remain a dream. May Pakistan prosper so muh that the enemy destroy their own @ss in jalousy.

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Oh yeah, and not to forget the CIA employed assassin OBL's DHUUBHAAII based supporters so that Pakistan would become so unsafe for Pakistanis that the rich families would rather buy properties and invest in that arboob land instead of their own land. The clever plan has been working quite well until now.

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Probably, militants are getting funding from a variety of sources, both foreign and domestic, including the Pakistani spy agency.

Saudi Arab and Iran are said to be baking the warring factions in Kurram Agency with money and weapons. These countries have been involved in the sectarian politics of Pakistan for a long time and their motives seem to be ideological. Strategically and geopolitically, the interests of Saudi Arabia and Iran are alighned with Pakistan, who would like waekening of US/NATO position in Afghanistan.

For Iran, Taleban are opportunity as well as threat. For Saudi Arabia, ther are an immense opportunity that can defend Saudi interests vis-a'-vis Iran and the West as well as can help advance Wahabi ideology and Saudi political clout. They are also an opportunity for Pakistan thinking in pure military terms but politically, economically, socially, and increasingly strategically as well, they are turning to be a great threat. The problems they may bring upon Pakistan include internal destablization, destruction of infrastructure, radicalising of local population, erosion of state authority, and providing an excuse to NATO/US forces to invade Pakistan.

Further, one should also not rule out the role of ISI and military in exacerbating the militancy just for the sake of some non-pragmatic and irrational patriotism. The motives for this may range from gaining a strategic upper hand or foothold in Afghanistan to ensuring a constant inflow of US money. Pakistani generals are notorious for corruption and earning some easy money no matter at what cost to masses.. One should not forget how General Safdar, posted as GCO Peshawar, was accused to embezzle tens of millions of dollars. The proverbail greed of higher military bureaucracy may be a strong contributing factor in all this.

There are other explainations of the situation as well e.g. Pakistan's military bureaucracy is making it more risky and expensive for US/NATO to invade FATA, by strengthening militancy there. This cannot be ruled out. The links of ISI with Jalaluddin Haqani, Mullah Ummar, etc. are well-established. Rise of individuals like Mualana Fazlullah, Mangal Bagh, etc. and the unwillingness of authorities to take action against them till the media and civic society make hue and cry raises suspicision about the role of the state in all this.

An important question is, if the militants are supported by different countries and players, then there are many militant groups at cross-purpose with each other. So they must be fighting togethor. Instead, to-date they are unified under a single command.

Anyhow, it is clear there may be shadowy group supported by different sources. Actually, when law-and-order breaks down, things become messy and different players/countries back their own proxies that have divergent and conflicting goals.

Whatever, some suggested here that Pakistan increase support to Taleban in Afghanistan and to Kashmiri fighters in Kashmir. I think it would be too adventurous looking at the state of Pakistan's economy and political stability. It is high time Pakistan redefines its foreign policy by negotiating different contentious issues with the neighbouring countries. Otherwise, it will suffer the consequeces of ambitious foreign policy.

my dear...u have to support taliban and kashmiri fighters..u dont have any other option..
"original" talibans were never ur enemy and even now they r not..problem is tht india is very active in afghanistan and u have to counter indians..indians have played major role in terrorism in fata and balochistan...if we keep kashmir and assam on the fire,we can control india..
economic success comes with peace,security and stability...and u have to counter nato,american,israel and india..enough is enough..
americans have rapped us for abt 40 times in fata...we have suffered enough..i m telling u if our leaders had guts.nato and tht langor ka bacha karzari would have been obedient kids...

pakistan should clear america tht if they dont stop interference in paki areas then we will fight the war on afghan land..not in fata...u have to become lion..not zebra..if u r weak and ur enemies know tht..then u r in deep water with great white sharps and i tell us these sharks eat wht eva they can bite and chew

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and yeah wht the hell this word "negotiation" is..lol..u think u can tackle americans afghanis and indians by talks..then y the **** we have such a huge army...i dony know y pakis have become so much phatto..pakistanis dont have any sense of respect..they have become jackass..live with pride or die..those who dont know how to fight will perish..
pakis belonging to upper class or western countries r like goats..and unfortunately this phatto category rules us..

I also think that enough is enough!

It is extremely clear by now that they just want to sabotage Pakistan. If Pakistan army still does not see it then it must have gone blind. Since after intervention of outside forces in Pakistan, things have gotten completely out of shape than they ever were in the past.

I would suggest to halt military operation on our own people immediately and tell in clear words to CIA to get the hell out of Pakistani land even if this means declaring war. The situation has got way out of hands because of foreign intervention.

If Pakistani has to break, why not kill the enemy and die?

This is way above the toleration level of any patriotic Pakistani.

On a second thought, maybe that is what india and CIA is waiting for because they could not destroy Pakistan with war like they destroyed Iraq, Afghanistan. So if we declare war, that is exactly what they will be waiting for to make war against Pakistan to destroy or take over it.

Where is our army? Knocked off drunk watching bolly mujras on some cable channel?

just one week blockade of Karachi, by Americans and Indians would be enough to make Pakistan to accept defeat...Pakistan may like to respond with nuclear wepaons but in return major cities of Punjab will be wiped of the face of earth forever, which i am very certain, Punjabi elite would never like...

my dear, you can never win this war so take your hands off Kashmir and Kabul or face the music...

Back in 2006, Americans had come up with a sensible solution that Afghanistan would accept Durand Line as permanent border provided Pakistan agrees to the non-interference principle...ANP and other Pashtun nationalist parties had accepted that proposal on the condition that the province is renamed, autonomy is granted, and Pashtuns of Pakistan are allowed to maintain cultural relations with Pashtuns of Afghanistan...but the greedy general were more interested in destabalizing Afghanistan to install a puppet pro-Pakistan regime in Kabul and to maintain the inflow of American dollars...obviously this is again American interests...

don't look at this isuue with Punjab's perpective...the lives of people of nwfp are becoming miserable...

I am two hudred percent sure if the combined force of US,NATO, India, etc. threatened Punjab, we will capatulate within no time instead of putting up a fight...Proxy war outside Punjab is another thing, a direct war we can't fight...

In order to fight the war with the same people who supply you the very weapons, who hold the keys to your weapons first you need to get rid of army leaders who take 2:00AM calls, develop yourself to the point that you don't depend on other nation for arms and ammunition. In case you forgot 2001/02 issue where Pakistan came close to war with India and Mush had admitted that our ammo supply is not for more than a few weeks and would have to resort on use of "nuke".

So in order to be "lion" you need to have what it takes to fight current era wars, you can't fight war with AK-47 anymore when you get bombed by Cluster bombs from sky.

pakistan is not a toffee...u have nukes..and pakistan must use it as a protective device...indian army is not a great army..we can tackle them by good planning and by motivating people..
i believe paki agencies should try to create as much trouble as they can in assam kashmir and gujrat...i think kashmir is the key for us..we can supply weapons to kashmiris and start war in kashmir..even ak-47 will do the job in kashmir against indian army..we should create troubles between muslims and hindus and lower and higher class hindus..game is simple..we have opportunities just like india have in fata and balochistan..

mar mar kar jeenay say baythar aik bar marna hai..nwfp and balochistan pak kay hath say jaraha hai..karachi mein phathan aur mqm clashes expected hai..wht do u want more?..

and i hate too much phatto wala atitude like u showed...i m not emotional..wht i said is practical and i hope isi should create trouble in india


Sure, many Pakistani went and joined "Afghan" jihad 6 years ago, they are now somewhere but not in this world, some were humiliated and returned to Pakistan. When bombs are being dropped from sky you can definitely fire AK-47 towards it. You think India will be alone if Pakistan "invades" Kashmir? You sure know no strategy, ignorant of modern wars.

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India finances BLA, the west finances the Taliban. BLA is used to created unrest in Balochistan province of Pakistan; whereas, Taliban is used to keep the frontier region on the burner for much desired "motifs and reasons".

Two things need to happen:

  1. Dismantle BLA altogether and catch RAW red-handed.

  2. Send Baitullah Mehsud back to Guantanamo Bay where he was released from with a new "job".