The regime’s not entirely “gone”, though, mind you. (Source).
:rotfl: Spirit of “Arab brotherhood and love”? i truly admire your faith in these governments, MyVoice, but that sounds to myself like the best oxymoron of the month. If there was such a thing as “Arab brotherhood and love”, then Kuwait and other Arab govts. would not have been sitting on their derrieres for the past 13 years watching their fellow Arab brothers and sisters die of genocide. Anyways, i admire your faith and optimism. i wish i had some too.
More likely they will die of malnutrition… oops, 5000 children already die of that each month. Lack of functioning sewage plants may mean more of them will die due to water-borne diseases.
I can't wait to see if France vetos the resolution to lift sanctions. They might be a little petulant and require some assurances that they get a piece of the reconstruction pie.
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The UN was totally ineffective in the disarmament Iraq. Are you saying that means that everything the UN does is ineffective? I don't think that has ever been the US position.
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Tell that to half of Congress and most of Bush's cabinet.
We can all pat ourselves on the back now and say ‘isn’t it jolly generous of us to lift these sanctions’. For the long-term view, i am trying to maintain some sort of practicality about this - if the sanctions actually are lifted, what happens to the millions of Iraqis who are surviving on food rations? Is the US going to hand-feed a country of 22 million civilians? Some revenues from Iraq’s illegal oil transactions with its neighbours, actually went towards providing wages for the bulk of Iraq’s professional classes - teachers, doctors, etc. (i am stating this from a former UN source, no Iraqi sources whatsoever). Assuming that the sanctions are lifted (which remains to be seen), how will this large “middle class” be paid its wages - how will they support themselves and their families, or will we expect them to beg on the streets.
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They might, because there has yet to be proof produced that the Iraqi regime has destroyed its WMDs.
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Nothing the French might do would surprise me. I wish they were next on our "list" of countries to liberate. It would be a cakewalk. Besides, they have lots of practice welcoming American troops there to liberate them.
*It is understood from diplomatic sources that the Bush administration has said it will not support lifting UN sanctions on Iraq unless Saddam’s successors agree to supply Israel with oil.
All of this lends weight to the theory that Bush’s war is part of a masterplan to reshape the Middle East to serve Israel’s interests. Haaretz quoted Paritzky as saying that the pipeline project is economically justifiable because it would dramatically reduce Israel’s energy bill.*
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maddy, why are you so thick headed, this war was not about WMD, neither were sanctions.
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I know. I'm criticising the whole sanctions idea. It was stupid to place sanctions that could only be lifted on the basis of proving innocence - it goes against the moral norm of having to prove guilt, rather than having to prove innocence.
America pushed very hard to have sanctions that could only be lifted once Iraq proved it had destroyed its WMD. Yet its once more the USA is showing its hyprocracy by pressing to get the sanctions lifted before this condition is fulfilled, simply because a non-US friendly government in Baghdad has been ousted.
changez like i think technically mad scientist is absolutely spot on. What with the US harping on about wmds it has either prove or disprove this before it sanctimoniuously asks the un to 'lift' sanctions
