Where is the Muslim Ummah?

[system]

Re: Where is the Muslim Ummah?

@Captain1

fartguru, not all non-Muslim countries have helped, not all Muslim countries have helped… mostly those who are unable to do so are less likely to help out i.e. Nigeria, Sudan, Ethopia, Somalia… many countries have helped in money and rescue teams.

Captain,
Agreed.

[Silly_Billy]

Re: Where is the Muslim Ummah?

@fartguru

SillyBilly,
Thanks for the update, I stand corrected on Kuwait and Indonesia. But you are wrong on Oman, Brunei who have sent their condolences while Egyptian Red Cross has only responded to Pakistan Red Cross request for aid by expressing their willingness to assist.

Out of 52 Muslim states of this world you have listed 11 countries of which Egypt doesnt count officially thus 10 out of 52, not something you would write about. Compare that to the contributions and efforts of non-muslim states, do the maths and the actual relief provided, farak saaf zahir hai.

Having said that, we sud be grateful to all our Muslim brethren states who have come forward in our times of need.

You stand corrected on Bahrain, Kuwait, Qatar, Afghanistan, Azerbaidjan, Jordan and Yemen as well.

Second mistake of yours. Where did I say that Oman and Brunei had offered aid, yet? If Egypt is prepared to assist, then we should be grateful, instead of splitting hairs about it.

If you really want to play this foolish game of statistics, then I suggest you check the facts first - 13 out of 52 Muslim states - SO FAR, is not bad at all - that’s over 1 out of every 4 Muslim states that had pledged aid so far. There are 150 non-Muslim states - same proportion (over 1 out of 4) would be 38 states. Now can you please list 38 non-Muslim states that have pledged aid to Pakistan so far?

Your last point about about contributions of Muslim states not matching non-Muslim states has been proven spectactularly wrong. Kuwait has just pledged $100 million to the Pakistan Relief effort - that is more than ALL other states combined.

[system]

Re: Where is the Muslim Ummah?

@Silly Billy

You stand corrected on Bahrain, Kuwait, Qatar, Afghanistan, Azerbaidjan, Jordan and Yemen as well.

Second mistake of yours. Where did I say that Oman and Brunei had offered aid, yet? If Egypt is prepared to assist, then we should be grateful, instead of splitting hairs about it.

If you really want to play this foolish game of statistics, then I suggest you check the facts first - 13 out of 52 Muslim states - SO FAR, is not bad at all - that’s over 1 out of every 4 Muslim states that had pledged aid so far. There are 150 non-Muslim states - same proportion (over 1 out of 4) would be 38 states. Now can you please list 38 non-Muslim states that have pledged aid to Pakistan so far?

Your last point about about contributions of Muslim states not matching non-Muslim states has been proven spectactularly wrong. Kuwait has just pledged $100 million to the Pakistan Relief effort - that is more than ALL other states combined.

Now, now,now lets not get carried away with our sentiments. In your original post u have spoken of Oman and Brunei, but cut and paste means selective amnesia.

Title of thread is’Where is the Muslim Ummah?', so to compare other non-muslim states who have not contributed is irrelevant.

States who have sent immediate aid, equipment and technical people are??? Japan, England, France, Sweden, Russia, US, UAE and Iran. Who is on the field right now? Japanese, Chinese, French, Brits, Irish, Iranians, Emiratees. So grow up and give credit where it is due.

[Captain1]

Re: Where is the Muslim Ummah?

lets stop leg pulling for now, please.

[system]

Re: Where is the Muslim Ummah?

Having witnessed the earthquake myself, and in the trauma of its aftermath (aftershocks.....ect...the media....), following is the letter I ended up sending to aljazeera.

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I am Pakistani from Islamabad, and can flently speak and understand Arabic. I was shocked and grieved that it this time of pain and suffering of our people, Aljazeera TV or any other Arab media did not give due coverage to the quake. It only strengthens my view that all you "Arab nationalists" are concerned with is Arab affairs. When it comes to anything to do with Muslims and especially a country of 150 million Muslims, who are your brothers in faith, you turn a blind eye. Why were so concerned with Katrina and not the quake in Pakistan?

It is a shame that non-Muslim countries like Britain and USA are giving so much coverage and help! Why this attitude??? You do not prove anything even near being a MUSLIM!

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Although, I am one of those who strongly believed and still do believe in the concept of ummah, but all I would say is that most of the muslims are in fact dead! If we (ummah) really were what we were supposed to be we wouldn' t be in this mess today around the world. The concept of ummah is correct but in reality it hardly exists outside the hearts of pakistanis!

[risc]

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should we be having this debate. How about get of your fat arse and do something then complain about lack of support from a certain place - you do something useful.

The fight is not for money but time. You can't buy time so stop arguing over donations.

[system]

Re: Where is the Muslim Ummah?

@risc

should we be having this debate. How about get of your fat arse and do something then complain about lack of support from a certain place - you do something useful.

The fight is not for money but time. You can buy time so stop arguing over donations.

Well said…however i had to take out my frustration somewhere. so bear with it..

I am leaving for muzaffarabad tomowrrow…to help as much as i can..

[Diva4U]

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^^AWESOME ! May Allah be with you.

On that note, here is a pledge of support from the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community.

http://www.alislam.org/press-release/quake-oct8-05.pdf

This is an official press release from the jamaat.

[Diva4U]

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And for those that are going to start bomarbing this thread with anti-ahmadiyya non-muslim propoganda. That's a useless argument. The country needs help, any muslim or non-muslim help is CRUCIAL right now. So lets stand united and help those with anything we can.

[Wadi]

Re: Where is the Muslim Ummah?

@fartguru

Now, now,now lets not get carried away with our sentiments. In your original post u have spoken of Oman and Brunei, but cut and paste means selective amnesia.

Title of thread is’Where is the Muslim Ummah?', so to compare other non-muslim states who have not contributed is irrelevant.

States who have sent immediate aid, equipment and technical people are??? Japan, England, France, Sweden, Russia, US, UAE and Iran. Who is on the field right now? Japanese, Chinese, French, Brits, Irish, Iranians, Emiratees. So grow up and give credit where it is due.

The least you can do now is admit your mistake.

[rally]

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@laeeqkhan

I am leaving for muzaffarabad tomowrrow…to help as much as i can..

brother Laeeq, may allah give all the energy and help in this noble deed, please I know it might be difficult in muzaffarabad for you to get net access, if you can please keep us posted, our prayers will be with you.

[cheebu]

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hmmm.. much said.. ppl cant get ova arguing..

well we in NZ.. are tryin our best to donate as much as we can and pray.. coz dats all we can do.. the money is useful to buy equipments and blankets and so on from local markets in pakistan to assist those in need.. tts wat the money is needed for..

and saying that where is muslim ummah.. well mostly have said clearly.. most muslim countires are not able to look after them selves.. so how th ygona help otehrs.. m very surprised dat even afghanistan is helping...

u know.. reading some of the headlines makes my heart cry.. that the world is united currently.. may it be muslim or non-muslim.. y cant we stay like that??. bt wen i cum and read ppl comments.. it shows.. u guys are fukin ugly fags.. get ova arguing.. and look at good side.. not the negative.. some ppl can only donate.. as donating money is still a big thing.. rest is upto allah wat happens with that money.. bt its its makin me cry dat ppl of pakistan in nature.. ARE GREAT.. duno where they are on dis forum.. bt wen eva disaster.. they are there to help.. s they said.. they have the man power.. bt need equipments..

Allah hafiz

[system]

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@laeeqkhan

Well said…however i had to take out my frustration somewhere. so bear with it..

I am leaving for muzaffarabad tomowrrow…to help as much as i can..

God Bless you Khan Sahib, our prayers and good wishes are with you. Take care,

[RashGuy]

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While it is a good point to remember people who have helped you in times of need, it is not a good practise to attribute motives to those who have not. Charity begins at home and there is no point in asking somebody else why they did not donate, when you yourself have not donated.

[system]

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@RashGuy

While it is a good point to remember people who have helped you in times of need, it is not a good practise to attribute motives to those who have not. Charity begins at home and there is no point in asking somebody else why they did not donate, when you yourself have not donated.

Presumption versus actual.

Not a fair comment for Pakistanis living in Pakistan or abroad. One of the positive sides of this tragedy has been out pouring of sympathies by pakis in general all over the country and those residing abroad. Donations of all kinds are pouring in domestically and internationally from Pakistanis citizens, so Iam not sure where u got your information from, sems to be rather biased or inward looking.