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If you say that God is the source of all shakti (power) then how can you say that there will be conflicts in his actions or sayings. It leaves us with two options either there is something wrong with that God who cannot control his actions or some changes have been made in the word of God.
Exactly, I agree with the view that there have been numerous changes in the word of God. It is really confusing when different schools of thought come up and start telling that their's is the best path and the original one. In Hinduism, the Advaitha, The Dvaitha and the Vishstadvaitha are the Schools which claim superiority and originality over each other. Though all preach the same, on closer examination you find that the theories are different.
I am not sure what Islam did in Spain or Malaysia, but in India, you can see that Indian culture has usage of Bindi on the forehead, but Converts are forced to remove the bindi as it is a sign of Hindu culture. I do not know why Muslims cannot wear a Bindi. But, I also would like to add that there are many other customs which Muslims in India are using like the "Mangal Sutra" worn by Women, the Silver rings or Marriage on Women's Feet etc.
If you agree with me that there might have been changes in the Hindu scripture then how can you say that it is right religion to follow. As far as the concept of superiority is concerned, it can't be attributed to anyone so how can Advaitha, Dvaitha and Vishtadvaitha can claim this superiority and also how can a God create caste system?
If the above three preach the same thing then what do you mean that there theories are the same? I can understand theories be the same but different practice but How can theories be different and the practical be same?
I will suggest you should read a little about the Muslim history in Spain and their treatment with christians and jews. Even the Christans and Jews scholars themselves agree that it was one of the best period in Spanish history. You might as well want to read about the Muslims who ruled the Palestine. In India and Pakistan, a lot of things are based on hatred and hence you don't see the true Islam. Another reason is that it hasn't been promoted mainly because of the fear of Islam. All pictures of Muslims one sees in the media, especially in India, is Kashmiris fighting against Indian government or the luxurious life of Muslim rulers in India or petty things like bindi etc. Most of these things are political rather than religious and you must differentiate between the two.
I don't know much about the mangal sutra or bindi but I know that one doesn't need such things to prove that they are married. I also know that only these two things are not Hindu culture but rather believes of the Hindus. If muslims stop their own kids from them then why should it matter to anyone coz should be free to practice his religion in any part of the world.
pakistan uses arabic alphabets is it a religious requirement? what alphabets has to do with religen? anything to do with india
is considred as anti-islamic?
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If you agree with me that there might have been changes in the Hindu scripture then how can you say that it is right religion to follow.
I do not agree there are changes in Hindu scriptures, but lot of literature is lost due to non-existence of proper preservation methods. These literature doesnt mean Bhagavadgita (Song Celestial), but many commentaries by sages on the supreme dwelling. In my view Hindu religion, is ofcourse the Mother of all cultures, which encompasses the whole humanity on earth. For me its the best religion.
As far as the concept of superiority is concerned, it can't be attributed to anyone so how can Advaitha, Dvaitha and Vishtadvaitha can claim this superiority and also how can a God create caste system?
God did not create Caste system. FYI, The division of society based on the work performed constituted the so called caste system. This system is started by Manu, a political-religious scholar in his work "ManuSmrithi". So, be clear that God did not start the Caste system.
Advaitha, Vishstadvaitha and Dwaitha are the theories which are used to tell the details of "Jeevatma and PAramatma". Accordingly their theories do vary, but everyone has the same principles of "DharmoRakshathi Rak****haha", i.e. Protect Dharma and It protects you.
All three believe in "NavaVidha Bhakti" i.e. the 9 fold path for Salvation of the God. All the paths believe in "Non-Violence" and Justice. So, you should be clear that they claim superiority over each other's theory, not people.
I can understand theories be the same but different practice but How can theories be different and the practical be same?
As I have told, Advaitha believes that Jeevatma, the soul inside the human is a constituent cell of the divine. Each existing thing on this earth are a part of the Divine and he is not a separate entity somewhere.
Dwaitha believes that the Jeevatma is a separate entity and it merges in the almighty after its liberation from the body.
Vishstadvaitha takes a path inbetween the same.
But, all the three theories preach single supreme power, Living the life truthfully and protection of Dharma (Righteousness).
Hinduism today translates into worship of idols.. not much different than the wayward sects of Islam which worship shrines and personalities rather than God himself.
Just like other civilizations, the scriptures or their teachings were forgotten and their meaning distorted.
The scriptures given to the people in Hind prove that they are from GOD and mention God’s prophet’s names such as ‘Brahma’ for Abraham.
Unfortunately Hinduism has lost it's roots.
It has been modified over the years and can no longer be considered as "true" Hinduism.
The laws have been changed or ignored by their own believers.
A religion that has been transformed into and through new traditions.
“na maiN* momin vich masiitaa*N, na maiN* muusaa, na fir'aun!”
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I am not sufficiently aware of the Hindu beliefs, but one thing I can say as a Muslim. The moment you consider a diety responsible for anything which is in the domain of God (Allah), you are setting up partners. And, the only sin He will not pardon is shirk (associating anybody with Him).
Hinduism has many dieties like goddess of wealth, etc. I do not know what is the purpose of such gods when you also believe in one Creator.
I would recommend you go to www.irf.net which is run by Dr. Zakir Naik in Bombay. He and his site will be able to provide you with evidence as he has done research on the vedas.
I just have a few questions.What are the holy books of Hinduism apart from Bhagvad Gita? Islam is based on the Holy Quran and Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad.What is the basis of Hinduism?Are the vedas,purans still considered as the authentic religious books?
I have studied a few excerpts from suppoded Hindu "holy" books and they are....well,digusting.
If someone does not beleive in Quran, why in the world would anyone read Quran to find out how he should be??? Only beleivers in Quran (Muslims) would read it to figure out how they should be…
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*Kuran says how muslims should be,
Bible says how christians should be
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bhagavat gita says how humans should be *
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Quran also says all humans are muslims, whether they accept it or not.
anyways. Thanks Mr Greeat and Victory etc for sharing some info with us. Its good to see a civilized discussion with questions and answers done as mature ppl.
If only it were true for other posts that have taken place in the past where flamers showed no respect to others' beliefs and were rude, crude and obnoxious.
I had one question too, som practices are only done by a certain group. e.g. some mandir in rajhastan where rats are considered sacred and ppl worship them etc. How is it viewed by the hindus who do not practice that?
are there many dects, cults that do their own thing as well?
I just have a few questions.What are the holy books of Hinduism apart from Bhagvad Gita? Islam is based on the Holy Quran and Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad.What is the basis of Hinduism?Are the vedas,purans still considered as the authentic religious books?
The other Sacred texts are the Four Vedas, Viz. Rig Veda, Yajur Veda, Sama Veda, Atharvana Veda. The Upanishads are the pillars of the religion. There are 18 Upanishad's.
To understand Hinduism you should think differently. Hinduism calls for pure devotion to God. God is not pleased only by prayer but also by overall action a human performs in his daily life.
The Vedas, are still considered authentic books.
Puranas are not holy scriptures, they are just the stories or history that has occured over thousands of years ago. Many people tend to twist the translations as they do not have an exact english equivalent for the Sanskrit word. Purana means Olden or old. So there is a difference between puranas and holy scriptures like the Gita.
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I have studied a few excerpts from suppoded Hindu "holy" books and they are....well,digusting.
Hate begets hate. If you read from any hate website, that's what you find. You can find the same about Quran or the Bible or Zendavista.
Any religion calls for complete faith and when you read a holy book you shouldnt be prejudiced. That's when you can realise the true meaning.
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I had one question too, som practices are only done by a certain group. e.g. some mandir in rajhastan where rats are considered sacred and ppl worship them etc. How is it viewed by the hindus who do not practice that?
are there many dects, cults that do their own thing as well?
I can understand your thought. One of the teaching of Hindu thought is that all the existence is due to the divine Supreme. So, over the period of time, many practices followed by different people were assimilated into the religion.
In fact when you quote saying that people pray for rats, it is not the rat which they are praying, the people believe that Rat is serving lord Ganesh, and hence respect it.
Many Hindus do respect the culture of different sects. If you see deeply you can find many differences even in the dress pattern based on their belief.
For eg. Vaishnava women wear a Saree (I hope you know it) so that the edge of the saree rests on their right shoulder.
Whereas Non-Vaishnava women wear the edge on the Left Side.
Even in the Ways the pooja's are held, there is difference in the rituals based on the sect / Creed you belong.
By the by Thanks for the comments, I hope We will be able to interact more and understand each other religion / language / culture well.
why certain countries became islamic
is due to close proximity to mid-east?
let say if pakistanis were living in iceland
would they accepted islam? does geography
play a role in religen? why japan is not islamic while indinesia became islamic?
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*why certain countries became islamic
is due to close proximity to mid-east?
let say if pakistanis were living in iceland
would they accepted islam? does geography
play a role in religen? why japan is not islamic while indinesia became islamic?
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Yes, geography and communication play a very vital role, but the peson who follows guidance converts. For example, the scholars taught Islam in India and converetd some people, not all.
In America today, the fastest growing religion is Ilslam because people are seeking knowledge after being disenchanted by the beliefs they have been raised with.